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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited 10:15am Posts: 19,658
    I do like a bit more fun in my Bond, I must admit. It's good, but I feel like it's sort of neither one thing nor the other; it wants to be more dramatic and hard-hitting than it is, and it ends up not quite tickling my Bond bone in the same way that the films either side of it do manage to, plus I feel like Dalton actually gets lost a bit in it. James Bond in a revenge movie should be the coolest thing ever: like Lee Marvin in Point Blank multiplied by Connery in FRWL, but somehow it's just... not.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    mtm wrote: »
    I do like a bit more fun in my Bond, I must admit. It's good, but I feel like it's sort of neither one thing nor the other; it wants to be more dramatic and hard-hitting than it is, and it ends up not quite tickling my Bond bone in the same way that the films either side of it do manage to, plus I feel like Dalton actually gets lost a bit in it. James Bond in a revenge movie should be the coolest thing ever: like Lee Marvin in Point Blank multiplied by Connery in FRWL, but somehow it's just... not.

    I think it's pretty hard, while it can be funny too. The latter not in an obvious way, but I do quite like some of the more subtle bits here and there.

    Having said that, I also love both films that flank it chronologically. I'd even go as far as to say that TLD-LTK-GE is the best three-in-a-row the series has ever seen. The only valid competition I see is the first run of Connery DN-TB.
  • 007HallY007HallY
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    I like LTK, even with some criticisms. It’s a bit like NTTD in the sense that it’s this formula breaking, end of an era Bond movie. They’re both films you can pinpoint as turning points in Bond.
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
    Posts: 2,578
    mtm wrote: »
    I do like a bit more fun in my Bond, I must admit. It's good, but I feel like it's sort of neither one thing nor the other; it wants to be more dramatic and hard-hitting than it is, and it ends up not quite tickling my Bond bone in the same way that the films either side of it do manage to, plus I feel like Dalton actually gets lost a bit in it. James Bond in a revenge movie should be the coolest thing ever: like Lee Marvin in Point Blank multiplied by Connery in FRWL, but somehow it's just... not.

    I think it's quite dry, even for its time. Lethal Weapon and Die Hard have a fair amount of humor.

    That the movie isn't gritty enough wasn't on my bingo card.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    DEKE_RIVERS wrote: »
    LTK is similar enough to Thunderball.
    I like the comparison, and there's quite a few moments. Bond and Felix in a coastguard helicopter - Bond dangling from its winch; a character dies by cyanide, both Bond and villain present in the scene; Bond sneaking aboard an enemy's boat via the subpen - which includes a submersible that transports something in secrecy; Q in the field with gadget camera which later gets knocked out of one's hands by the enemy; Bond is a guest at the villain's residence and provided a beverage; a passenger of a vehicle knocks out the driver, the vehicle ending up in the sea; Bond leaves a casino table with the villain's girl. Related: In TB, Bond removes his scuba backpack to escape the frogmen, while in LTK he puts one on to escape.
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 16,259
    QBranch wrote: »
    DEKE_RIVERS wrote: »
    LTK is similar enough to Thunderball.
    I like the comparison, and there's quite a few moments. Bond and Felix in a coastguard helicopter - Bond dangling from its winch; a character dies by cyanide, both Bond and villain present in the scene; Bond sneaking aboard an enemy's boat via the subpen - which includes a submersible that transports something in secrecy; Q in the field with gadget camera which later gets knocked out of one's hands by the enemy; Bond is a guest at the villain's residence and provided a beverage; a passenger of a vehicle knocks out the driver, the vehicle ending up in the sea; Bond leaves a casino table with the villain's girl. Related: In TB, Bond removes his scuba backpack to escape the frogmen, while in LTK he puts one on to escape.

    I think the biggest similarity is the love triangle (for lack of a better word) between Bond, Lupe and Sanchez. Lupe I think should have been the main Bond girl, but that's another topic.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 7,940
    Don't see LTK as humourless at all, in fact I think it's more successful in that regard, maybe also because it is used more sparingly, than several other outings.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 15,475
    Ludovico wrote: »
    I think the biggest similarity is the love triangle (for lack of a better word) between Bond, Lupe and Sanchez.
    Yes, it's more a V angle - a triangle suggests that Bond wants to give Sanchez a nice honeymooooon!
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
    Posts: 2,578
    All Bond movies have humor, even the Craig ones. It's part of the formula. I'm only speaking in relative terms.
  • 007HallY007HallY
    Posts: 6,410
    QBranch wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    I think the biggest similarity is the love triangle (for lack of a better word) between Bond, Lupe and Sanchez.
    Yes, it's more a V angle - a triangle suggests that Bond wants to give Sanchez a nice honeymooooon!

    I don’t mind the Bond, Sanchez, and Lupe triangle. For me it’s the Pam, Lupe, and Bond one that gets a bit strange and soap opera-ish.

    I like Pam as a character, but I can very much understand the idea that Lupe could have been the main Bond girl. I’m not sure what Pam actually adds past a certain point (the subplot about stinger missiles is pretty much useless anyway).
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan
    edited 11:31am Posts: 898
    QBranch wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    I think the biggest similarity is the love triangle (for lack of a better word) between Bond, Lupe and Sanchez.
    Yes, it's more a V angle - a triangle suggests that Bond wants to give Sanchez a nice honeymooooon!

    I think Sanchez might want to give Bond a nice honeymoooooon.
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