Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • Posts: 326
    Trust the writer, trust the director. Bond's on everyone's bucketlist... it's the ultimate passion project
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe Edward Berger for Bond 27
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    007HallY wrote: »

    @007HallY I don't know how big the movie will be, but one thing we can all be certain of that Amazon will put on a marketing blitz to rival Tron Legacy or the Star Wars sequel trilogy. It will be wall to wall, and even worse for us fans with the targeted ads. I really, really hope that the movie can live up to that level of fever-pitch hype, but few films usually can.

    No doubt they'll hype up this film. I hope it does well. I'm fully prepared for many fans, and a portion of audiences, to not get along with it though. That's kind of the trade off when you hire a director like Denis Villeneuve. He'll make a Bond film, but they've not hired a director like that to make a by the numbers, Force Awakens equivalent of a 007 adventure. Or even something fully like TND or MR. I'm sure it'll be exceptionally crafted and will have a lot of the recognisable Bond tropes though.

    My hope is that Knight was hired to handcuff Villeneuve and make it so his creative powers are channelled in a way that is correct for Bond. A bit like the serious director being handed the "fun" script that you often talk about happened with the likes of Lewis Gilbert and Terrence Young of the old days. I've said it before but if you take a look at the classic Bond films although they are humourous in their tone, they are directed very dry and stoic. I think Villeneuve would be great at bringing that on the screen, but only if he has the script to counterbalance his stoic direction. That's what I hope Knight is there to do.

    To be fair to The Force Awakens, JJ's direction wasn't the problem with that movie, I think he did an really great job with it, just the story was far too derivative overall. In many ways I think JJ was the perfect modern director for Star Wars in a same way could be said for Villeneuve and Bond.
  • edited October 14 Posts: 6,398
    007HallY wrote: »

    @007HallY I don't know how big the movie will be, but one thing we can all be certain of that Amazon will put on a marketing blitz to rival Tron Legacy or the Star Wars sequel trilogy. It will be wall to wall, and even worse for us fans with the targeted ads. I really, really hope that the movie can live up to that level of fever-pitch hype, but few films usually can.

    No doubt they'll hype up this film. I hope it does well. I'm fully prepared for many fans, and a portion of audiences, to not get along with it though. That's kind of the trade off when you hire a director like Denis Villeneuve. He'll make a Bond film, but they've not hired a director like that to make a by the numbers, Force Awakens equivalent of a 007 adventure. Or even something fully like TND or MR. I'm sure it'll be exceptionally crafted and will have a lot of the recognisable Bond tropes though.

    My hope is that Knight was hired to handcuff Villeneuve and make it so his creative powers are channelled in a way that is correct for Bond. A bit like the serious director being handed the "fun" script that you often talk about happened with the likes of Lewis Gilbert and Terrence Young of the old days. I've said it before but if you take a look at the classic Bond films although they are humourous in their tone, they are directed very dry and stoic. I think Villeneuve would be great at bringing that on the screen, but only if he has the script to counterbalance his stoic direction. That's what I hope Knight is there to do.

    I wouldn't say he's there to handcuff Villeneuve. I have no doubt Knight was hired in large part because of his ability to craft action, create lively pacing, and form punchy dialogue. The other part is very likely because he saw eye to eye with what the producers and Villeneuve wanted to do with the story and was deemed the best writer to make their vision come to life in script form.

    At any rate, a director is hired because of what they'll bring to the film, not to be shackled by a script. They have to understand how to tell the story, and as a producer you're going to want the director to bring their strengths to the project. It's the same with any other Bond director over the past few films - Campbell, Forster, Mendes, Fukunaga etc.
    To be fair to The Force Awakens, JJ's direction wasn't the problem with that movie, I think he did an really great job with it, just the story was far too derivative overall. In many ways I think JJ was the perfect modern director for Star Wars in a same way could be said for Villeneuve and Bond.

    It's been a long time since I saw the film, but from what I remember I found it underwhelming. Anyway, that's kind of Abrams's thing - he'd made Super 8 which was an homage to 80s Spielberg fare (it was fine. Same issues with Force Awakens perhaps). And he'd rebooted Star Trek (films which kind of did what they said on the tin - again, fine. I liked them). They got the director to make the film they wanted - one used to working for big franchises/replicating all the stuff we've come to expect from them.

    With Villeneuve it seems to me we've gotten a different kind of director. We'll see what he brings.
  • NoTimeToLiveNoTimeToLive Jamaica
    Posts: 184
    Who's "they"? It's being talked all the time on the Internet.

    Between Bond fans? Yeah, but then again Never Say Never Again is talked about by us, doesn't mean it has a strong position in culture today.

    Even generic movie communities talk about it.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe Edward Berger for Bond 27
    Posts: 9,446
    Who's "they"? It's being talked all the time on the Internet.

    Between Bond fans? Yeah, but then again Never Say Never Again is talked about by us, doesn't mean it has a strong position in culture today.

    Even generic movie communities talk about it.

    When? I don't see the discussion.
  • NoTimeToLiveNoTimeToLive Jamaica
    Posts: 184
    Who's "they"? It's being talked all the time on the Internet.

    Between Bond fans? Yeah, but then again Never Say Never Again is talked about by us, doesn't mean it has a strong position in culture today.

    Even generic movie communities talk about it.

    When? I don't see the discussion.

    Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and Reddit, for instance.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,817
    Who's "they"? It's being talked all the time on the Internet.

    Between Bond fans? Yeah, but then again Never Say Never Again is talked about by us, doesn't mean it has a strong position in culture today.

    Even generic movie communities talk about it.

    When? I don't see the discussion.

    Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and Reddit, for instance.

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    Jesus @Mendes4Lyfe , why'd you do this?

    And, lemme get this straight: you hope Knight was hired to "shackle" the director?!!

    That's not how this works.

    For God's sake Mendes, for someone so frantic about news on B26, READ THE NEWS WE HAVE: DV was hired because a pitch he gave the producers. The writer was hired to flesh out this story-idea that the director pitched-- not to shackle him. Are you nuts?!! Or just bored?

    Take a chill pill.

    Try and enjoy the ride.

    You're making up things that won't happen.

    Try and read a book. Do some breath work. Yoga.

    But please, do us a favour and just calm down. Most of the things you've ever said about films and filmmaking is 99.9% inaccurate. That's not hyperbole. And this latest about shackling the director via script?!! I have no words...
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    edited October 18 Posts: 14,887
    Tag line.


    We said it was No Time To Die, didn't we?

    JAMES BOND RETURNS IN


    [BOND 26}

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    Tag line.


    We said it was No Time To Die, didn't we?

    JAMES BOND RETURNS IN


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    This reminds me of my suggestion that, for a while, Bond should die in EVERY film. A mature Bond, a new young one, a kid, a serious one, a fun-loving one, etc. -- it would bring in many different actors, and just when people get used to it and expect him to die EVERY bleepin' time - he lives ! But not too soon. THAT will get them away from annoying anyone with the same style film too many times. Tag line for one of them ? "Yup ! Dyin' again !"
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Okay more seriously these should give reassurance to any misgivings on the ending of NTTD and pretty much instill faith in general for the franchise. Or maybe not.


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    JAMES BOND More Time To Live Paperback – May 1 2025
    by M.D Head (Author)
    Book 1 of 2: bond series
    The story you are about to read is my ‘unofficial’ sequel to No Time To Die.The last James Bond movie that starred Daniel Craig.This actor had the highly dubious task of following in the footsteps of legends such as the late Sean Connery and Roger Moore.Although their successors such as George Lazenby, Timothy Dalton and Pierce Brosnan all experienced the same daunting challenge.Daniel Craig was given the task of portraying a beloved character in the modern world.One that was filled with political and social changes.Some of these being the WOKE and Political Correctness issues.Some of which that was very much needed and some parts that ‘in my opinion’ were nonsensical.Throw into the mix the whole covid situation that had a frustrating affect on the Entertainment Industry as a whole, as-well as people around the globe who felt it’s affects severely, it must have felt like a mission of its own, for all those concerned, ‘just’ to make a piece of entertainment.Daniel Craig did an absolutely remarkable job with those films in the way he portrayed such a familiar character.In a way this story is dedicated to him and all the other talented people concerned in the making of those five films in which he starred.To all of those involved in creating the whole James Bond Universe I Thankyou.
    M.D Head

    I hope you, the reader, enjoy this story as much as I enjoyed writing it.Enjoy !!!


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    James Bond should be dead. Left to perish on a missile-bombarded island, 007 is miraculously rescued by 002, Marcus T Jones, a man with orders, secrets and a mission of his own.

    But death doesn't wait and neither do those who wield it. Bond soon discovers that Project Thanatos, the nanobot weapon that nearly killed im, is not only still active, but evolving. With mankind on the brink of an irreversible genetic apocalypse, Bond must hunt the truth through a trail of betrayal, bioweapons and buried identities.

    Partnering with the formidable 001, Nomi, Bond races across continents to uncover the mastermind behind Tjanatos: a rogue biochemist whose ambitions go far beyond revenge. Time is against him. The world is at stake. And death, once deferred, is coming back with a vengeance. Bond survived the impossible. Now he must stop the unthinkable...


  • NoTimeToLiveNoTimeToLive Jamaica
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    Fleming's books might be public domain, but EON's movies aren't. This fanfic stuff will be nuked as quickly as Bond at the end of NTTD.
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    Fleming's books might be public domain, but EON's movies aren't. This fanfic stuff will be nuked as quickly as Bond at the end of NTTD.

    It was a very powerful explosive, but was it nuclear ? He pretty was vaporized, though
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    Martin Campbell was asked what advice he would give to Villeneuve on the upcoming film, and this apparently was his answer:
    “Don’t break what isn’t broken. It doesn’t need to be a reboot – it just needs to be a bloody good Bond film! If we released GoldenEye or Casino Royale again next week, they’d feel just as potent. So don’t f— with it, basically. There’s a lot of fertile ground for Bond, particularly the way the world is at the moment. I just hope that they don’t break what’s not broken!

    There are no established standouts like Pierce. Pierce was a perfect Bond for his time. But Daniel wasn’t Daniel Craig when he got the part, and all credit to Barbara Broccoli for pushing him. So what you’re looking for is another Daniel Craig, someone who isn’t necessarily a star…Frankly, you don’t need a star. James Bond is the star, and the film is the star. They just need to find a terrific actor who looks right for the part.”

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Martin Campbell was asked what advice he would give to Villeneuve on the upcoming film, and this apparently was his answer:
    “Don’t break what isn’t broken. It doesn’t need to be a reboot – it just needs to be a bloody good Bond film! If we released GoldenEye or Casino Royale again next week, they’d feel just as potent. So don’t f— with it, basically. There’s a lot of fertile ground for Bond, particularly the way the world is at the moment. I just hope that they don’t break what’s not broken!

    There are no established standouts like Pierce. Pierce was a perfect Bond for his time. But Daniel wasn’t Daniel Craig when he got the part, and all credit to Barbara Broccoli for pushing him. So what you’re looking for is another Daniel Craig, someone who isn’t necessarily a star…Frankly, you don’t need a star. James Bond is the star, and the film is the star. They just need to find a terrific actor who looks right for the part.”

    I agree with Campbell: James Bond should be the star. I’d rather see a relatively unknown actor grow into the role than watch a major celebrity compete with Bond for the spotlight.
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    The thing is, he needs to have the charisma of a star. Being a good actor isn't enough.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    It seems Campbell is indirectly telling Villeneuve to look at GoldenEye & Casino Royale for inspiration.
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    The thing is, he needs to have the charisma of a star. Being a good actor isn't enough.

    I would agree.

    I like Campbell, but many others helped make CR and GE, including those who’d been working on Bond longer than he ever has. Making a ‘bloody good Bond film’ and not completely changing it to the point it’s unrecognisable is fine advice and worth listening to, but not always incredibly useful in the context of making a movie.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited 11:16am Posts: 19,634
    Bond has such a long history and diverse set of films that’s it’s unclear how much you can change it before it’s unrecognisable really. CR is arguably fairly unrecognisable compared to what came before, but it’s great. As long as it’s got Bond in it and it does action and adventure and a few gags here and there, you’ve pretty much got a Bond film.
  • edited 11:29am Posts: 6,398
    I mean, it’s easy to imagine taking that advice and coming out with a Force Awakens type Bond adventure that’s derivative and not especially interesting, or a re-imagining of the character that takes care to give us certain Bond tropes.

    Again, it’s not incredibly useful in itself. For what it’s worth Campbell’s much more interesting when talking specifically about his approach to GE and CR. But I’m going to guess none of that was some truth bomb Villeneuve and the new producers were completely unaware of.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited 11:40am Posts: 3,022
    It's very simple. Villeneuve should just give us 50 percent new & 50 percent familiar. Just balance it, and he's good to go.
  • edited 11:54am Posts: 6,398
    It's very simple. Villeneuve should just give us 50 percent new & 50 percent familiar. Just balance it, and he's good to go.

    Well, it’s not a dial they can flick up and down when writing the script. All they can do is create their own Bond film organically and figure out what they think works. They just need to go through the process.

    Anyway, after a point I think all this advice from previous Bond filmmakers has to be tuned out. EON say it has to be a reinvention and Bond should be a certain age, Campbell says it doesn’t need to be a reboot (like one of his films was) and don’t fix what isn’t broken etc. The new team just has to get on with making the best Bond film they can.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    007HallY wrote: »
    It's very simple. Villeneuve should just give us 50 percent new & 50 percent familiar. Just balance it, and he's good to go.

    Well, it’s not a dial they can flick up and down when writing the script. All they can do is create their own Bond film organically and figure out what they think works. They just need to go through the process.

    Anyway, after a point I think all this advice from previous Bond filmmakers has to be tuned out. EON say it has to be a reinvention and Bond should be a certain age, Campbell says it doesn’t need to be a reboot (like one of his films was) and don’t fix what isn’t broken etc. The new team just has to get on with making the best Bond film they can.

    Yeah. Let's even look at the First Light game. That trailer felt so fresh, yet it was still James Bond. So I think Amazon would do such with the film...not necessarily First Light style...but just making Bond 26 fresh, but still James Bond.
  • edited 12:01pm Posts: 6,398
    007HallY wrote: »
    It's very simple. Villeneuve should just give us 50 percent new & 50 percent familiar. Just balance it, and he's good to go.

    Well, it’s not a dial they can flick up and down when writing the script. All they can do is create their own Bond film organically and figure out what they think works. They just need to go through the process.

    Anyway, after a point I think all this advice from previous Bond filmmakers has to be tuned out. EON say it has to be a reinvention and Bond should be a certain age, Campbell says it doesn’t need to be a reboot (like one of his films was) and don’t fix what isn’t broken etc. The new team just has to get on with making the best Bond film they can.

    Yeah. Let's even look at the First Light game. That trailer felt so fresh, yet it was still James Bond. So I think Amazon would do such with the film...not necessarily First Light style...but just making Bond 26 fresh, but still James Bond.

    Worth saying First Light seems to be very much a reboot of Bond and completely goes against this idea he has to be in his later 30s/40s. So it goes against the advice of the Bond elders as it were! Hell, we know it goes against what a chunk of fans seem to want on these forums, and at one point could have been seen as ‘conventional wisdom’ for a new Bond adventure (ie. Not wanting Bond to have any tragedy or references to his past, which we know this game includes!)

    But yeah, that’s all they can do - make the best Bond film possible. Simple task, I know!
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    Posts: 3,022
    007HallY wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    It's very simple. Villeneuve should just give us 50 percent new & 50 percent familiar. Just balance it, and he's good to go.

    Well, it’s not a dial they can flick up and down when writing the script. All they can do is create their own Bond film organically and figure out what they think works. They just need to go through the process.

    Anyway, after a point I think all this advice from previous Bond filmmakers has to be tuned out. EON say it has to be a reinvention and Bond should be a certain age, Campbell says it doesn’t need to be a reboot (like one of his films was) and don’t fix what isn’t broken etc. The new team just has to get on with making the best Bond film they can.

    Yeah. Let's even look at the First Light game. That trailer felt so fresh, yet it was still James Bond. So I think Amazon would do such with the film...not necessarily First Light style...but just making Bond 26 fresh, but still James Bond.

    Worth saying First Light seems to be very much a reboot of Bond and completely goes against this idea he has to be in his later 30s/40s. So it goes against the advice of the Bond elders as it were! Hell, we know it goes against what a chunk of fans seem to want on these forums, and at one point could have been seen as ‘conventional wisdom’ for a new Bond adventure (ie. Not wanting Bond to have any tragedy or references to his past, which we know this game includes!)

    But yeah, that’s all they can do - make the best Bond film possible. Simple task, I know!

    Yeah. That's exactly what they have to do.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
    Posts: 821
    Martin Campbell was asked what advice he would give to Villeneuve on the upcoming film, and this apparently was his answer:
    “Don’t break what isn’t broken. It doesn’t need to be a reboot – it just needs to be a bloody good Bond film! If we released GoldenEye or Casino Royale again next week, they’d feel just as potent. So don’t f— with it, basically. There’s a lot of fertile ground for Bond, particularly the way the world is at the moment. I just hope that they don’t break what’s not broken!

    There are no established standouts like Pierce. Pierce was a perfect Bond for his time. But Daniel wasn’t Daniel Craig when he got the part, and all credit to Barbara Broccoli for pushing him. So what you’re looking for is another Daniel Craig, someone who isn’t necessarily a star…Frankly, you don’t need a star. James Bond is the star, and the film is the star. They just need to find a terrific actor who looks right for the part.”

    I would say Moore was established standout with Pierce. There is not so easy pick next time around as those two were. Not even very close.
  • Posts: 326
    "Just need to find so and so." I love that we're still stuck on this part.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
    edited 1:53pm Posts: 1,167
    mtm wrote: »
    Bond has such a long history and diverse set of films that’s it’s unclear how much you can change it before it’s unrecognisable really. CR is arguably fairly unrecognisable compared to what came before, but it’s great. As long as it’s got Bond in it and it does action and adventure and a few gags here and there, you’ve pretty much got a Bond film.
    And yet we've all argued against changes we consider stop it from feeling like Bond, though we don't all agree what those factors are. I know you didn't have a problem with NTTD killing Bond, Felix, giving him a daughter etc, but you have (IIRC) said that Fukunaga didn't achieve that Bond movie feel; you also were visibly disappointed with our first look at First Light, whilst others were very pleased. I think I've suggested stylistic experimentation before, which you've been against, but you're much keener on playing fast and loose with the Bond character than I am.

    There's obviously more to it than "as long as it’s got Bond in it and it does action and adventure and a few gags here and there, you’ve pretty much got a Bond film."

    Edit: Sorry, that sounds more snarky than intended. I'm not putting down your opinion or trying to start a fight.
  • edited 2:04pm Posts: 6,398
    It's an art, not a science as they say. I think Villeneuve was correct when he said that Bond is essentially a genre in itself. From a director's perspective, that's a good way of looking at it. Genres have conventions, imagery, and broad characters they generally adhere to, but they can be adapted or even subverted for each individual story or era. It gives them a lot to play with.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    Posts: 2,933
    Martin Campbell was asked what advice he would give to Villeneuve on the upcoming film, and this apparently was his answer:
    “Don’t break what isn’t broken. It doesn’t need to be a reboot – it just needs to be a bloody good Bond film! If we released GoldenEye or Casino Royale again next week, they’d feel just as potent. So don’t f— with it, basically. There’s a lot of fertile ground for Bond, particularly the way the world is at the moment. I just hope that they don’t break what’s not broken!

    There are no established standouts like Pierce. Pierce was a perfect Bond for his time. But Daniel wasn’t Daniel Craig when he got the part, and all credit to Barbara Broccoli for pushing him. So what you’re looking for is another Daniel Craig, someone who isn’t necessarily a star…Frankly, you don’t need a star. James Bond is the star, and the film is the star. They just need to find a terrific actor who looks right for the part.”

    I love how much this man understands what Bond is. I'd love him to be working on the films behind the scenes
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Jordo007 wrote: »
    Martin Campbell was asked what advice he would give to Villeneuve on the upcoming film, and this apparently was his answer:
    “Don’t break what isn’t broken. It doesn’t need to be a reboot – it just needs to be a bloody good Bond film! If we released GoldenEye or Casino Royale again next week, they’d feel just as potent. So don’t f— with it, basically. There’s a lot of fertile ground for Bond, particularly the way the world is at the moment. I just hope that they don’t break what’s not broken!

    There are no established standouts like Pierce. Pierce was a perfect Bond for his time. But Daniel wasn’t Daniel Craig when he got the part, and all credit to Barbara Broccoli for pushing him. So what you’re looking for is another Daniel Craig, someone who isn’t necessarily a star…Frankly, you don’t need a star. James Bond is the star, and the film is the star. They just need to find a terrific actor who looks right for the part.”

    I love how much this man understands what Bond is. I'd love him to be working on the films behind the scenes

    If Villeneuve is not available, they should get Campbell to direct the screentests.
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