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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yeah, if you had to do it I think he'd be fine, but is also perhaps a bit on-the-nose because he's so visibly desperate to be an 80/90s style movie star.
    I'd like to see Indy ride again someday because I love the character, but I also kind of worry that there's nothing really to the character unless you have Spielberg/Lucas/Ford (and Williams I guess) doing it- the point of him pretty much was those three doing an old cliche hero character but in their style. Without them is it just another cliche character, or potentially worse: someone new just aping their style?
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe Edward Berger for Bond 27
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    mtm wrote: »
    Yeah, if you had to do it I think he'd be fine, but is also perhaps a bit on-the-nose because he's so visibly desperate to be an 80/90s style movie star.
    I'd like to see Indy ride again someday because I love the character, but I also kind of worry that there's nothing really to the character unless you have Spielberg/Lucas/Ford (and Williams I guess) doing it- the point of him pretty much was those three doing an old cliche hero character but in their style. Without them is it just another cliche character, or potentially worse: someone new just aping their style?

    It would need it's own signature, but things have been reinvented before with a new identity, such as Batman.
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    Well, that's why they need the charisma of a movie star.

    Chris Pine doing a Shatner impression sort of worked, but you need someone like Pine.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
    edited November 19 Posts: 821
    I think it must be pretty big star to play Indiana so for me no to unknown.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Something neat about Indiana Jones is how the original trilogy, they all refer to a different category of thing:

    Raiders of the Lost Ark - A group of people, Temple of Doom - A place, Last Crusade - a journey

    Anyway I was thinking about it and wouldn't it have made more sense if Waller-Bridge had been denholm elliots daughter? Since he was already Indys posh English sidekick?

    It would have made most sense for Mudd to return. They could have recast him (so people
    Benny wrote: »
    Why can’t they just retire the character?

    Harrison Ford IS Indiana Jones

    The part is Fords, it’s always been and always will be.

    Exactly. They tried to resurrect a young Han; many fans rejected the attempt. It can be done, probably, but do we really need it? We have five Indy films. I love the character and the series, but I'm not dying for more content. Raiders and Temple of Doom provide me with all the fun I need. I'm open to new adventures with different characters in new film series. Indy deserves his rest.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe Edward Berger for Bond 27
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    That's different, young Han Solo was supposed to take place in the same timeline as original Han. People just couldn't buy that this guy GREW INTO the Han we knew in A New Hope (not to mention the film just wasn't very good).

    I'd assume that a theoretical Glen Powell Indy film would be starting a fresh continuity from scratch.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    I just realized that Raiders came out in 1981 and was portraying 1930's timeline. If they made a movie now and kept the same jump back in time you'd have an Indy in the 1980's. Yet somehow the charm of Indy is the time he is placed. Can I picture a treasure hunter in 1982 looking for lost treasure?

    Then the other elephant in the room is the villains of the piece. For Indy that was the Nazis and then Russians. Who would be the enemies of a 1980's circa treasure hunter? I suppose with the cold war still ongoing at that time the Russians could return.

    I do admit to liking @Benny thoughts about just retiring the character with Ford. Mind you I didn't think anyone could play Frank Drebin in Police Squad and Neeson nailed it.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
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    Imagine an Indy Movie with Glen Powell and Joseph Kosinski directing....
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    I don't care about the director, I think the problem is that it needs an old-school approach like Alien Romulus.

    I'm fine with a TV series if it means less over-the-top special effects.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Please no more TV series. They feel like homework.
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    Ford is Indy, Indy is Ford. That's all there is to it.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I wouldn’t mind seeing the character retired, but if a new incarnation I would like to see his adventures that take place 10 to 15 years prior to Raiders featuring a fresh newcomer.

    If they did this they could clear up Indy’s early involvement with Marion.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe Edward Berger for Bond 27
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    cooperman2 wrote: »
    Ford is Indy, Indy is Ford. That's all there is to it.

    Unless they decide to hire a another actor to play the part that is.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 25,078
    talos7 wrote: »
    I wouldn’t mind seeing the character retired, but if a new incarnation I would like to see his adventures that take place 10 to 15 years prior to Raiders featuring a fresh newcomer.

    If they did this they could clear up Indy’s early involvement with Marion.

    Please, no. Let's not try to explain everything. Leave some backstory locked up in mystery. Many characters appeal to us because they have already lived. They don't all need to have their origins exposed. Sometimes, the more you know, the more you end up no longer caring.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I don't care about the director, I think the problem is that it needs an old-school approach like Alien Romulus.

    I'm fine with a TV series if it means less over-the-top special effects.

    I must admit I have thought that a decent way to bring Indy back would be to do a Mandalorian-style Disney+ show, 30 min or so episodes, big set piece in each. That way you kind of bring it back to its matinee serial roots.
  • NoTimeToLiveNoTimeToLive Jamaica
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    I wouldn’t mind seeing the character retired, but if a new incarnation I would like to see his adventures that take place 10 to 15 years prior to Raiders featuring a fresh newcomer.

    If they did this they could clear up Indy’s early involvement with Marion.

    Please, no. Let's not try to explain everything. Leave some backstory locked up in mystery. Many characters appeal to us because they have already lived. They don't all need to have their origins exposed. Sometimes, the more you know, the more you end up no longer caring.

    Agreed. Besides, there's nothing to clear up. The character was intended to be unlikable, whether we like it or not. No need to mess with Lucas and Spielberg's vision.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    I wouldn’t mind seeing the character retired, but if a new incarnation I would like to see his adventures that take place 10 to 15 years prior to Raiders featuring a fresh newcomer.

    If they did this they could clear up Indy’s early involvement with Marion.

    Please, no. Let's not try to explain everything. Leave some backstory locked up in mystery. Many characters appeal to us because they have already lived. They don't all need to have their origins exposed. Sometimes, the more you know, the more you end up no longer caring.

    Agreed. Besides, there's nothing to clear up. The character was intended to be unlikable, whether we like it or not. No need to mess with Lucas and Spielberg's vision.

    That said, I wouldn’t mind Indy’s young adult life explored ; the late 20’s/ early 30’s is a very adventure rich era. Of course the caveat is that it be done well with an appealing lead.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    talos7 wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    I wouldn’t mind seeing the character retired, but if a new incarnation I would like to see his adventures that take place 10 to 15 years prior to Raiders featuring a fresh newcomer.

    If they did this they could clear up Indy’s early involvement with Marion.

    Please, no. Let's not try to explain everything. Leave some backstory locked up in mystery. Many characters appeal to us because they have already lived. They don't all need to have their origins exposed. Sometimes, the more you know, the more you end up no longer caring.

    Agreed. Besides, there's nothing to clear up. The character was intended to be unlikable, whether we like it or not. No need to mess with Lucas and Spielberg's vision.

    That said, I wouldn’t mind Indy’s young adult life explored ; the late 20’s/ early 30’s is a very adventure rich era. Of course the caveat is that it be done well with an appealing lead.

    There are books (that are hard to find) that cover his early life. I think a book series again would be the best way to take the character. As Disney owns the character, it wouldn't surprise me if they brought Indy back sooner rather than later.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    I wouldn’t mind seeing the character retired, but if a new incarnation I would like to see his adventures that take place 10 to 15 years prior to Raiders featuring a fresh newcomer.

    If they did this they could clear up Indy’s early involvement with Marion.

    Please, no. Let's not try to explain everything. Leave some backstory locked up in mystery. Many characters appeal to us because they have already lived. They don't all need to have their origins exposed. Sometimes, the more you know, the more you end up no longer caring.

    Agreed. Besides, there's nothing to clear up. The character was intended to be unlikable, whether we like it or not. No need to mess with Lucas and Spielberg's vision.

    That said, I wouldn’t mind Indy’s young adult life explored ; the late 20’s/ early 30’s is a very adventure rich era. Of course the caveat is that it be done well with an appealing lead.

    There are books (that are hard to find) that cover his early life. I think a book series again would be the best way to take the character. As Disney owns the character, it wouldn't surprise me if they brought Indy back sooner rather than later.

    I am in no way championing a new screen incarnation of Dr. Jones; but I’m pragmatic. It’s a valuable IP and the powers that be will want to exploit it. If it’s going to happen I would want to see it set prior to the events of Raiders…
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited November 20 Posts: 19,635
    They don’t seem to want to exploit it, which I’m a bit sad about. I was hoping Disney would get right on making an Indy project when they bought Lucasfilm, but it took ten years or so, in which time Ford was only getting older.
    A cartoon or comics or something like that I’d be pretty happy with, but I get the feeling they’ve decided the market isn’t there. Which is a shame because for me, Indy is the best thing Lucasfilm ever did.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    mtm wrote: »
    They don’t seem to want to exploit it, which I’m a bit sad about. I was hoping Disney would get right on making an Indy project when they bought Lucasfilm, but it took ten years or so, in which time Ford was only getting older.
    A cartoon or comics or something like that I’d be pretty happy with, but I get the feeling they’ve decided the market isn’t there. Which is a shame because for me, Indy is the best thing Lucasfilm ever did.

    I absolutely agree. The Indiana Jones series has played a big part in my life growing up, and continues to do so today. However, talking to my students gives me the impression that a younger generation, on average, isn't at all interested anymore. Some of my students still 'know' Indy through their parents, and a minor few love at least one or two of the films, but that's it. I recall my classmates and I being excited about anything Indiana Jones, even in the nineties when not a lot was happening apart from the YIJC. When DOD came out, neither my students nor my colleagues were particularly keen on seeing the film. (Incidentally, the same holds true for Terminator. I used to think that "everybody" was into those films, but I was gravely mistaken.)

    Maybe D+ could reinvigorate the old enthusiasm, if they deliver a truly great product with a charismatic lead. But like I wrote yesterday, speaking purely for myself, I'm not sure I need it. I'm fine with Indy being retired.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Forgetting Young Indiana Jones, can Indy continue without Ford?

    As Disney paid mega money to Lucas for Star Wars and Indy, they’re not likely to just stop.
    But it wouldn’t bother me if Indy rode off into the sunset (again).
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    cooperman2 wrote: »
    Ford is Indy, Indy is Ford. That's all there is to it.

    Unless they decide to hire a another actor to play the part that is.

    Bond survived very well without Connery.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Indy is a period film. They take place in a certain era and time period. As such it is different from Bond where the films take place in contemporary times and are ever changing.

    Second, like Clouseau it would appear that Jones is tied to one actor and one actor only. I am not sure the fandom, or even the general movie going public would be accepting of another actor in the role. It took Martin et al almost 40 years from the last film to star Sellers to gain some traction.

    I think Bond is a rare example of a character being able to have multiple actors. If another actor were to portray Jones they would need to change the character or the film tone would need to change. Would audiences except a "serious" Indy? The character was based on the serial films of the 30's and 40's. I am not sure you can change the tone and keep the character.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    thedove wrote: »
    Indy is a period film. They take place in a certain era and time period. As such it is different from Bond where the films take place in contemporary times and are ever changing.

    Second, like Clouseau it would appear that Jones is tied to one actor and one actor only. I am not sure the fandom, or even the general movie going public would be accepting of another actor in the role. It took Martin et al almost 40 years from the last film to star Sellers to gain some traction.

    I think Bond is a rare example of a character being able to have multiple actors. If another actor were to portray Jones they would need to change the character or the film tone would need to change. Would audiences except a "serious" Indy? The character was based on the serial films of the 30's and 40's. I am not sure you can change the tone and keep the character.

    Good points!

    I also wonder if the many Indy wannabe films, including some more recent treasure-hunting actioners, have possibly damaged the series' appeal. Bond keeps doing well despite a ton of parodies and spiritual offspring, but maybe Bond and Jones are two different meals on the menu.
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