EoN sells up - Amazon MGM to produce 007 going forwards (Steven Knight to Write)

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  • peterpeter Toronto
    edited October 19 Posts: 9,793
    Escalus5 wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    There are no action scripts in the last 60 years which were written by just one writer.

    Shane Black is an exception; he writes scripts either alone (LETHAL WEAPON, THE LONG KISS GOODNIGHT, KISS KISS BANG BANG) or in partnership (IRON MAN 3, THE NICE GUYS, THE PREDATOR). And he's considered one of the best genre writers in the business and is a script doctor himself, so his scripts don't usually have other hands involved beyond who's credited.

    Incorrect @Escalus5 :

    Many passes on LW1 the most notable being by Jeffrey Boam (dialogue and action).

    The long Kiss Goodnight was revised/doctored by Carrie Fischer (yes, her), and Renny Harlin.

    However, you are correct about KKBB; but there were still producer notes that Shane Black basically took and worked himself as his own script doctor using these notes. This is a little unique as this wasn’t a tent pole film (which you’ll see I was talking about above), and it was a smaller budget created by the writer/director.

    So as I said, tentpole films in the last 60 years, including ones written by Shane Black, have been doctored by many writers. These are how large tent pole films have been made, and it isn’t going away any time soon.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Another week ticked off without significant Bond news. If they really are much further ahead then they are letting on then it's only a matter of time before something is leaked, you can't keep that much under your cap for too long. Still, the rumour that Villeneuve and Knight are butting heads creatively is encouraging. I can't wait for things to start gathering pace in 2026...
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    'Butting heads' means arguing, no? Villeneuve and Knight are in conflict about the creative direction of the next film? Where's that come from?
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Venutius wrote: »
    'Butting heads' means arguing, no? Villeneuve and Knight are in conflict about the creative direction of the next film? Where's that come from?

    Take a look my friend:
    Mallory wrote: »
    Getting this thread slightly back on topic...

    As reported by The Spy Command:

    https://cnews.topnewsource.com/?p=2448&fbclid=IwY2xjawNeUqhleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFUZFJGOGp6dks3ZWdsaTNMAR6MApOZDZLjY4bekR2cfWwJjv1XnS4y4_FA64VCzW3Mn6wGCngAaVYmFMtgIA_aem_tdXzA7MOSw_Tbrnb0vGMZw

    Sources familiar with early script sessions say the pair spent nine hours locked in the room, debating tone, stakes, and the character’s evolution — with Villeneuve advocating for a cinematic, visually bold Bond while Knight pushes for narrative depth and modern complexity.

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,981
    Creative disagreement, when resolved constructively, can lead to excellence. I wouldn't start worrying just yet. The idea that a modern Bond film is "easy" to put together, especially in the scripting phase, feels a tad, uhm, naive.
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    I'd call that report dubious to the point of being easily dismissible.
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    Venutius wrote: »
    'Butting heads' means arguing, no? Villeneuve and Knight are in conflict about the creative direction of the next film? Where's that come from?

    Take a look my friend:
    Mallory wrote: »
    Getting this thread slightly back on topic...

    As reported by The Spy Command:

    https://cnews.topnewsource.com/?p=2448&fbclid=IwY2xjawNeUqhleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFUZFJGOGp6dks3ZWdsaTNMAR6MApOZDZLjY4bekR2cfWwJjv1XnS4y4_FA64VCzW3Mn6wGCngAaVYmFMtgIA_aem_tdXzA7MOSw_Tbrnb0vGMZw

    Sources familiar with early script sessions say the pair spent nine hours locked in the room, debating tone, stakes, and the character’s evolution — with Villeneuve advocating for a cinematic, visually bold Bond while Knight pushes for narrative depth and modern complexity.

    I don’t know that I would frame what was described as “butting heads”, but language is fluid and, at times, imprecise. I’m not surprised or worried that two creatives with strong visions and styles and opinions spend hours disagreeing or debating or advocating or tweaking each other’s work. That’s the process. That’s what it’s like working with a writing partner. The benefit being that each pushes the other to go deeper or wider or make things simpler or make things more complex.

    I’d be worried if two incredibly talented and capable creatives didn’t have disagreements on how to interpret a popular character that’s been around for seventy years. I’m sure there are things they like, dislike and always wanted to see.

    This is the first post-Broccoli Bond film. There’s every opportunity to make this the definitive Bond film for a new era in the franchise. If it doesn’t work, they’ll own all of it. That’s an incredible amount of pressure. But Bond, to me, is worth it. And, I believe, they think so too.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    It doesn't even say they disagree. The different aspects they're purportedly both pushing aren't incompatible. And as AgentM72 says, that sentence has the whiff of fiction about it anyway.
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    I think it's a bit vague. I mean, Thunderball and Skyfall were cinematic and visually bold... what does it mean exactly?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I suspect it's just filler to make the sentence a bit longer, I doubt there are any actual facts behind it.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    I think Villeneuve and Knight are simply having fun with their ideas.
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    Well, I doubt Villeneuve is advocating for a film with no narrative complexity/depth, and Knight for something with zero visual flair.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited October 20 Posts: 3,372
    007HallY wrote: »
    Well, I doubt Villeneuve is advocating for a film with no narrative complexity/depth, and Knight for something with zero visual flair.
    Yeah, when you put it like that... :))
    mtm wrote: »
    I suspect it's just filler to make the sentence a bit longer, I doubt there are any actual facts behind it.
    Yes, 'Villeneuve advocating for a cinematic, visually bold Bond while Knight pushes for narrative depth and modern complexity' sounds more like a reporter's general assumption of what discussions between this particular writer and director might be like, rather than any actual insider tidbit.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    If they were locked behind closed doors for nine hours (sounds a tad too long, lol!!), then how’d we know what was discussed. If anything, this sounds like a spit-balling session between two creative partners. I’d assume there was nothing but positive back and forths between these two titans.
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    I wonder what the ending is! Must be a difficult treatment to get right. I butt heads with my business partners - because I truly care.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    I think Villeneuve and Knight are simply having fun with their ideas.

    THIS.
  • edited October 20 Posts: 871
    peter wrote: »
    If they were locked behind closed doors for nine hours (sounds a tad too long, lol!!), then how’d we know what was discussed. If anything, this sounds like a spit-balling session between two creative partners. I’d assume there was nothing but positive back and forths between these two titans.

    Agreed, friend. I hardly think one (or either) of them would have landed the gig if there was a core disagreement about the overall vision for the film.

    My best guess is that the producers + Amazon have a vision for the 'type' of Bond film they want to reinvigorate the franchise, Denis agreed with that and came up with a more specific pitch within those parameters which earned him the Directing job, and then Stephen Knight said "Yeah, I like all of this, I can work with it" before signing on as a writer to work on a first draft script.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Officially 7 months of Amazon having complete creative control and they are still "spit balling" ideas. It's going to be one long road ahead, buckle up.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited October 20 Posts: 2,947
    Officially 7 months of Amazon having complete creative control and they are still "spit balling" ideas. It's going to be one long road ahead, buckle up.

    I think we're even lucky Amazon are announcing things. They could easily have waited for Villeneuve to finish Dune, before announcing him and Knight.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Doom and gloom.

    We have competent producers, a director and a writer working on it.
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    Officially 7 months of Amazon having complete creative control and they are still "spit balling" ideas. It's going to be one long road ahead, buckle up.

    You're really forcing the negativity.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,583
    Another week ticked off without significant Bond news. If they really are much further ahead then they are letting on then it's only a matter of time before something is leaked, you can't keep that much under your cap for too long. Still, the rumour that Villeneuve and Knight are butting heads creatively is encouraging. I can't wait for things to start gathering pace in 2026...

    @Mendes4Lyfe are you seriously expecting weekly updates as to the progress of Bond 26?
    We're a way off from that. That sort of thing happens when filming is underway.
    Officially 7 months of Amazon having complete creative control and they are still "spit balling" ideas. It's going to be one long road ahead, buckle up.

    You're quoting @peter here, and his guess as to what might be happening behind closed doors. So what if it's been 7 months of Amazon having control.
    We have a writer and director. I can never understand how or why you think that there is a pattern to how these films should work, or that there is a timetable as to where we should be according to your crystal ball.
    If by next week we have the Bond actor announced, you'll be posting that it's full steam ahead, if it's crickets, you'll be posting that it going to be one long road ahead, buckle up.
    You need to take a breath, calm yourself. Things will happen when they happen. Wanting them to, expecting them to and most of all looking for patterns in the past to make things happen in your head are not helping. You or anyone else.
  • Posts: 1,781
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    Mallory wrote: »
    Getting this thread slightly back on topic...

    As reported by The Spy Command:

    https://cnews.topnewsource.com/?p=2448&fbclid=IwY2xjawNeUqhleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFUZFJGOGp6dks3ZWdsaTNMAR6MApOZDZLjY4bekR2cfWwJjv1XnS4y4_FA64VCzW3Mn6wGCngAaVYmFMtgIA_aem_tdXzA7MOSw_Tbrnb0vGMZw

    Sources familiar with early script sessions say the pair spent nine hours locked in the room, debating tone, stakes, and the character’s evolution — with Villeneuve advocating for a cinematic, visually bold Bond while Knight pushes for narrative depth and modern complexity.

    I mean... this isn't really news. These discussions will be happening a lot as they develop the project. Good to hear (if true) what both Villeneuve and Knight want... as I dont think they are contradictory. Both can be achieved.

    @Univex no problem mate, this was the update. It was shared by @Mallory on the last page.
    It sounds promising to me

    Well said ! YES to both sets of ideas !
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