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  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
    edited October 13 Posts: 1,144
    I can’t recommend any films starring either of those actors that will make you say ‘that’s James Bond’. If you simply want to see them act in films that I think are worth seeing because they’re good in them and the films are decent, I would recommend:

    Tramps , where Callum Turner plays a hapless young New Yorker trying to get back a bag back for his jailbird brother, and falling for the equally unlucky Grace Van Patten. It’s a small, slight rom-com which has good chemistry between its leads, and is the performance I like most from Turner. Nothing like 007, but if you simply want to like the actor, this is a good place to start (The Capture or Masters of the Air might be better if you can cope with TV rather than a film, though it’s obviously a bigger time commitment).

    Triangle of Sadness is probably the best film I’ve seen with Harris Dickinson as a lead. He’s part of a glamorous couple who go on an ill-fated cruise in this satire that’s very White Lotus. It’s not a great film, but it’s good if you can cope with satire, and Dickinson is good in it.The King’s Man is closer to Bond, but I think he’s overshadowed by design in that film.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited October 13 Posts: 19,382
    Important to not be an emetaphobe if you're watching that one though! :D
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
    Posts: 2,464
    sandbagger1 wrote: »
    Farrell has, imo, had a better career without Bond than he would have had with it. His biggest action hero role, Total Recall, wasn’t a particularly good use of his talents, but look at him in The North Shore, The Banshees of Inisherin, etc. where he really gets to inhabit a character. I don’t think Bond would have been a good fit, though he certainly could have done it.

    I never really liked Farrell as a star, but now we have Paul Mescal. It's kind of sad.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
    Posts: 1,144
    mtm wrote: »
    Important to not be an emetaphobe if you're watching that one though! :D

    I had to look that word up. This forum is not supposed to educational. :D
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan
    edited October 13 Posts: 853
    sandbagger1 wrote: »
    I can’t recommend any films starring either of those actors that will make you say ‘that’s James Bond’. If you simply want to see them act in films that I think are worth seeing because they’re good in them and the films are decent, I would recommend:

    Tramps , where Callum Turner plays a hapless young New Yorker trying to get back a bag back for his jailbird brother, and falling for the equally unlucky Grace Van Patten. It’s a small, slight rom-com which has good chemistry between its leads, and is the performance I like most from Turner. Nothing like 007, but if you simply want to like the actor, this is a good place to start (The Capture or Masters of the Air might be better if you can cope with TV rather than a film, though it’s obviously a bigger time commitment).

    Triangle of Sadness is probably the best film I’ve seen with Harris Dickinson as a lead. He’s part of a glamorous couple who go on an ill-fated cruise in this satire that’s very White Lotus. It’s not a great film, but it’s good if you can cope with satire, and Dickinson is good in it.The King’s Man is closer to Bond, but I think he’s overshadowed by design in that film.

    Thanks for that, I'll be sure to check them out. I don't watch many new releases, but since these two seem to be in with a good chance, and are being touted as the next big leading men, I thought I ought to see what all the fuss is about.

    I'd kind of like to see a bit of Elordi as well, but all the stuff he's been in looks awful.
  • 007HallY007HallY
    edited October 13 Posts: 6,129
    I got a whiff of Bond from Turner in Emma. The Boys in The Boat is worth a look at too. He’s got some upcoming stuff which looks interesting. Pretty much anything past 2020 from him (he’s one of these actors who, once he hit his early 30s, looked and came off noticeably more mature, and I think for Bond that’s great).

    I guess for Elordi it’s Saltburn or possibly Euphoria. I wouldn’t really recommend much else from him, and yes, I’ve found a lot of the stuff he’s been in not great, although he’s got two interesting releases coming up (Frankenstein and Wuthering Heights). Even in Saltburn I got more ‘Bond’ from Barry Kheogan at points than him. But he’s worth keeping an eye on.

    Dickinson’s very good in A Murder At The End of The World. I personally find him magnetic and interesting to watch in Triangle of Sadness and Postcards From London. He has a smaller role in The Souvenir Part 2 where the role was originally meant to be played by Robert Pattinson (big shoes to fill, no doubt, and I find them similar actors in many ways). Regardless of what one thinks of him for Bond, I can’t deny the guy is very talented (better than the vast majority of the actors mentioned on here, and he already has a better career than most of them). I can see why he’s constantly touted for Bond - he’s got that sense of enigma and sexuality about him (although whether he’d genuinely bring out the more wisecracking, swaggery side to Bond is another issue, but I think he’s got more positives than negatives. In terms of raw acting talent I think he’s the most comparable to Craig, and it’s worth saying those are another pair of big shoes to fill).

    Obviously with all those actors we don’t have a ‘Layer Cake’ to go from in regards to Bond, although I think those ‘Bondian’ roles can be misleading or underwhelming. I don’t find The Gentlemen to be a very good Bond ‘audition’ for Theo James even though it’s easier to see him as the character in that particular role if you want to. Argyle and The Man From UNCLE pretty much killed any sense I had that Henry Cavill would make a good Bond (maybe a serviceable one, but I found him very underwhelming when actually seeing him in that sort of role. I get the sense he’d be out of his depth as Bond, and I certainly can’t see him putting in as strong a performance that the other Bonds did at their best).
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan
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    007HallY wrote: »
    I got a whiff of Bond from Turner in Emma. The Boys in The Boat is worth a look at too. He’s got some upcoming stuff which looks interesting. Pretty much anything past 2020 from him (he’s one of these actors who, once he hit his early 30s, looked and came off noticeably more mature, and I think for Bond that’s great).

    I guess for Elordi it’s Saltburn or possibly Euphoria. I wouldn’t really recommend much else from him, and yes, I’ve found a lot of the stuff he’s been in not great, although he’s got two interesting releases coming up (Frankenstein and Wuthering Heights). Even in Saltburn I got more ‘Bond’ from Barry Kheogan at points than him. But he’s worth keeping an eye on.

    Dickinson’s very good in A Murder At The End of The World. I personally find him magnetic and interesting to watch in Triangle of Sadness and Postcards From London. He has a smaller role in The Souvenir Part 2 where the role was originally meant to be played by Robert Pattinson (big shoes to fill, no doubt, and I find them similar actors in many ways). Regardless of what one thinks of him for Bond, I can’t deny the guy is very talented (better than the vast majority of the actors mentioned on here, and he already has a better career than most of them). I can see why he’s constantly touted for Bond - he’s got that sense of enigma and sexuality about him (although whether he’d genuinely bring out the more wisecracking, swaggery side to Bond is another issue, but I think he’s got more positives than negatives. In terms of raw acting talent I think he’s the most comparable to Craig, and it’s worth saying those are another pair of big shoes to fill).

    Obviously with all those actors we don’t have a ‘Layer Cake’ to go from in regards to Bond, although I think those ‘Bondian’ roles can be misleading or underwhelming. I don’t find The Gentlemen to be a very good Bond ‘audition’ for Theo James even though it’s easier to see him as the character in that particular role if you want to. Argyle and The Man From UNCLE pretty much killed any sense I had that Henry Cavill would make a good Bond (maybe a serviceable one, but I found him very underwhelming when actually seeing him in that sort of role. I get the sense he’d be out of his depth as Bond, and I certainly can’t see him putting in as strong a performance that the other Bonds did at their best).

    Thanks for the recommendations.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    I was thinking about the next actors screentest. I think the FRWL scene is vital and perfect for testing the next Bond, but I wonder if given they want a "dangerous Bond who could kill someone with their bare hands" I wonder if they'll choose another scene as well as FRWL?

    I'd love the next actors to be tested using the scene from TLD with Bond interrogating Pushkin. It was a great showcase for Dalton as a more Dangerous Bond

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  • 007HallY007HallY
    Posts: 6,129
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I was thinking about the next actors screentest. I think the FRWL scene is vital and perfect for testing the next Bond, but I wonder if given they want a "dangerous Bond who could kill someone with their bare hands" I wonder if they'll choose another scene as well as FRWL?

    I'd love the next actors to be tested using the scene from TLD with Bond interrogating Pushkin. It was a great showcase for Dalton as a more Dangerous Bond

    the-living-daylights-james-bond-007-timothy-dalton-mi6-spectre-2015-movie-review-1987-spy-thriller-action-film.jpg?w=1038&h=576&crop=1

    That's a great scene. I've always liked the idea of using the LTK scene when Bond first encounters Lupe in her room as a similar audition (I actually think Dalton's underused with the camera shots/editing in the film as it is - imagine seeing how a potential Bond actor interprets things like seeing Lupe's scars/hearing how it was 'her fault' etc. There's actually a lot there for an actor to play with).

    For me though, the ideal scenes to read a potential Bond with are the GE scene with Onnatop (the one used during the first line auditions) and the first couple of Severine scenes in SF. For me they have everything you need to test an actor with for the role - they have to say the iconic lines, they have to show depth, charm, charisma etc. And more importantly they have to understand the scenes.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 19,382
    Yeah I think the Severine scenes seem really good material for a test: he gets to be suave Bond but also show an edge of steel, plus be flirty, dangerous etc. The GE one they used was good as he was being the usual suave Bond, but also there's an undercurrent there that he's suspicious of Xenia- there's something for the actor to play with. The CR train scene they used for Craig's audition is good for an actor to show playful Bondly badinage, but there's perhaps not too many extra levels to that one.
  • 007HallY007HallY
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    There are so many ways to play that GE scene for an actor. Do you play it as if Bond knows all along that Onnatop is a wronging? Or do they build up to by emphasising the suspicion and playing up Bond's thought process? Oh, and you have to do that while putting up a front of being charming and reacting to the occasional joke (shooting in and out of Georgia, the reaction to Onnatop etc.) It's actually a difficult scene to play if the actor has only gotten the pages a day or so before.

    The SF one is a bit easier maybe, but not dissimilar. But both have all the Bond elements in there.
  • 007ClassicBondFan007ClassicBondFan
    Posts: 2,696
    Bond’s confrontation and eventual killing of Professor Dent would be a good scene to test new actors - apparently when testing for potential new Bonds in 1980 - John Glen used the scene.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 19,382
    Yeah I guess the problem with the Severine one is that it's perhaps more her scene than Bond's: he's obviously crucial to it but the focus is more on her.

    The GE one is a good one. For all of the brickbats Pierce and Roger get thrown at them for their acting skill or lack of it, when you see someone else doing one of their scenes and failing to bring the different levels and sparkle they could add to it, it really shows how skilled they were, even if an Oscar was never exactly on the cards.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    Bond & Dryden scene in CR, would also work.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    George_Kaplan wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I got a whiff of Bond from Turner in Emma. The Boys in The Boat is worth a look at too. He’s got some upcoming stuff which looks interesting. Pretty much anything past 2020 from him (he’s one of these actors who, once he hit his early 30s, looked and came off noticeably more mature, and I think for Bond that’s great).

    I guess for Elordi it’s Saltburn or possibly Euphoria. I wouldn’t really recommend much else from him, and yes, I’ve found a lot of the stuff he’s been in not great, although he’s got two interesting releases coming up (Frankenstein and Wuthering Heights). Even in Saltburn I got more ‘Bond’ from Barry Kheogan at points than him. But he’s worth keeping an eye on.

    Dickinson’s very good in A Murder At The End of The World. I personally find him magnetic and interesting to watch in Triangle of Sadness and Postcards From London. He has a smaller role in The Souvenir Part 2 where the role was originally meant to be played by Robert Pattinson (big shoes to fill, no doubt, and I find them similar actors in many ways). Regardless of what one thinks of him for Bond, I can’t deny the guy is very talented (better than the vast majority of the actors mentioned on here, and he already has a better career than most of them). I can see why he’s constantly touted for Bond - he’s got that sense of enigma and sexuality about him (although whether he’d genuinely bring out the more wisecracking, swaggery side to Bond is another issue, but I think he’s got more positives than negatives. In terms of raw acting talent I think he’s the most comparable to Craig, and it’s worth saying those are another pair of big shoes to fill).

    Obviously with all those actors we don’t have a ‘Layer Cake’ to go from in regards to Bond, although I think those ‘Bondian’ roles can be misleading or underwhelming. I don’t find The Gentlemen to be a very good Bond ‘audition’ for Theo James even though it’s easier to see him as the character in that particular role if you want to. Argyle and The Man From UNCLE pretty much killed any sense I had that Henry Cavill would make a good Bond (maybe a serviceable one, but I found him very underwhelming when actually seeing him in that sort of role. I get the sense he’d be out of his depth as Bond, and I certainly can’t see him putting in as strong a performance that the other Bonds did at their best).

    Thanks for the recommendations.

    Babygirl.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    I would pick all the next screentests from CR so many great ones in there.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
    Posts: 724
    DEKE_RIVERS wrote: »
    sandbagger1 wrote: »
    Farrell has, imo, had a better career without Bond than he would have had with it. His biggest action hero role, Total Recall, wasn’t a particularly good use of his talents, but look at him in The North Shore, The Banshees of Inisherin, etc. where he really gets to inhabit a character. I don’t think Bond would have been a good fit, though he certainly could have done it.

    I never really liked Farrell as a star, but now we have Paul Mescal. It's kind of sad.

    Why? I think Farrell has been versatile actor.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    Posts: 2,903
    I still believe the scene from FRWL is vital, it's the perfect test to see an actors ability in the role.
    There's something special knowing all the actors that have played Bond have done that scene. I'd love to see them one day
  • MonorailerMonorailer
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    I confess there are times I find myself running the line "So you're Tatiana Romanova..."

    Just in case, y'know.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,783
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I was thinking about the next actors screentest. I think the FRWL scene is vital and perfect for testing the next Bond, but I wonder if given they want a "dangerous Bond who could kill someone with their bare hands" I wonder if they'll choose another scene as well as FRWL?

    I'd love the next actors to be tested using the scene from TLD with Bond interrogating Pushkin. It was a great showcase for Dalton as a more Dangerous Bond

    the-living-daylights-james-bond-007-timothy-dalton-mi6-spectre-2015-movie-review-1987-spy-thriller-action-film.jpg?w=1038&h=576&crop=1

    One of my all time favorite scenes in the entire series. Dalton was perfect here...
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
    Posts: 724
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I still believe the scene from FRWL is vital, it's the perfect test to see an actors ability in the role.
    There's something special knowing all the actors that have played Bond have done that scene. I'd love to see them one day

    Can you define?
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,575
    MSL49 wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I still believe the scene from FRWL is vital, it's the perfect test to see an actors ability in the role.
    There's something special knowing all the actors that have played Bond have done that scene. I'd love to see them one day

    Can you define?

    The scene in the bedroom between Bond and Tania. It’s one of the scenes test actors for Bond are given.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    Posts: 2,903
    MSL49 wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I still believe the scene from FRWL is vital, it's the perfect test to see an actors ability in the role.
    There's something special knowing all the actors that have played Bond have done that scene. I'd love to see them one day

    Can you define?

    All the actors have performed this scene as a screentest to get the role of James Bond mate.

    Thanks @Benny you put it perfectly my friend.
    peter wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I was thinking about the next actors screentest. I think the FRWL scene is vital and perfect for testing the next Bond, but I wonder if given they want a "dangerous Bond who could kill someone with their bare hands" I wonder if they'll choose another scene as well as FRWL?

    I'd love the next actors to be tested using the scene from TLD with Bond interrogating Pushkin. It was a great showcase for Dalton as a more Dangerous Bond

    the-living-daylights-james-bond-007-timothy-dalton-mi6-spectre-2015-movie-review-1987-spy-thriller-action-film.jpg?w=1038&h=576&crop=1

    One of my all time favorite scenes in the entire series. Dalton was perfect here...

    I love this scene it's one of my favourites in the whole series as well mate. There's so many little moments in it that I love, like how he steps back and steadies himself before pointing the gun at Pushkin and asking "where's Koskov". Love how professional and dangerous he is

    Dalton just IS James Bond here.
  • Mathis1Mathis1
    Posts: 8,574
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    MSL49 wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I still believe the scene from FRWL is vital, it's the perfect test to see an actors ability in the role.
    There's something special knowing all the actors that have played Bond have done that scene. I'd love to see them one day

    Can you define?

    All the actors have performed this scene as a screentest to get the role of James Bond mate.

    Thanks @Benny you put it perfectly my friend.
    peter wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I was thinking about the next actors screentest. I think the FRWL scene is vital and perfect for testing the next Bond, but I wonder if given they want a "dangerous Bond who could kill someone with their bare hands" I wonder if they'll choose another scene as well as FRWL?

    I'd love the next actors to be tested using the scene from TLD with Bond interrogating Pushkin. It was a great showcase for Dalton as a more Dangerous Bond

    the-living-daylights-james-bond-007-timothy-dalton-mi6-spectre-2015-movie-review-1987-spy-thriller-action-film.jpg?w=1038&h=576&crop=1

    One of my all time favorite scenes in the entire series. Dalton was perfect here...

    I love this scene it's one of my favourites in the whole series as well mate. There's so many little moments in it that I love, like how he steps back and steadies himself before pointing the gun at Pushkin and asking "where's Koskov". Love how professional and dangerous he is

    Dalton just IS James Bond here.

    Yes. Brilliant sequence, and quite strong stuff when he rips the girls dressing gown off t distract the bodyguard, and for a long time I didnt realise the actress ( Pushkins mistress!) was the same lady warrior on Mad Max 2!
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
    Posts: 724
    Benny wrote: »
    MSL49 wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I still believe the scene from FRWL is vital, it's the perfect test to see an actors ability in the role.
    There's something special knowing all the actors that have played Bond have done that scene. I'd love to see them one day

    Can you define?

    The scene in the bedroom between Bond and Tania. It’s one of the scenes test actors for Bond are given.

    Is it good scene for screentest in your opinion?
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
    Posts: 724
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    MSL49 wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I still believe the scene from FRWL is vital, it's the perfect test to see an actors ability in the role.
    There's something special knowing all the actors that have played Bond have done that scene. I'd love to see them one day

    Can you define?

    All the actors have performed this scene as a screentest to get the role of James Bond mate.

    Thanks @Benny you put it perfectly my friend.
    peter wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I was thinking about the next actors screentest. I think the FRWL scene is vital and perfect for testing the next Bond, but I wonder if given they want a "dangerous Bond who could kill someone with their bare hands" I wonder if they'll choose another scene as well as FRWL?

    I'd love the next actors to be tested using the scene from TLD with Bond interrogating Pushkin. It was a great showcase for Dalton as a more Dangerous Bond

    the-living-daylights-james-bond-007-timothy-dalton-mi6-spectre-2015-movie-review-1987-spy-thriller-action-film.jpg?w=1038&h=576&crop=1

    One of my all time favorite scenes in the entire series. Dalton was perfect here...

    I love this scene it's one of my favourites in the whole series as well mate. There's so many little moments in it that I love, like how he steps back and steadies himself before pointing the gun at Pushkin and asking "where's Koskov". Love how professional and dangerous he is

    Dalton just IS James Bond here.

    Is it good scene for screentest in your opinion?
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    Posts: 2,903
    MSL49 wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    MSL49 wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I still believe the scene from FRWL is vital, it's the perfect test to see an actors ability in the role.
    There's something special knowing all the actors that have played Bond have done that scene. I'd love to see them one day

    Can you define?

    All the actors have performed this scene as a screentest to get the role of James Bond mate.

    Thanks @Benny you put it perfectly my friend.
    peter wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I was thinking about the next actors screentest. I think the FRWL scene is vital and perfect for testing the next Bond, but I wonder if given they want a "dangerous Bond who could kill someone with their bare hands" I wonder if they'll choose another scene as well as FRWL?

    I'd love the next actors to be tested using the scene from TLD with Bond interrogating Pushkin. It was a great showcase for Dalton as a more Dangerous Bond

    the-living-daylights-james-bond-007-timothy-dalton-mi6-spectre-2015-movie-review-1987-spy-thriller-action-film.jpg?w=1038&h=576&crop=1

    One of my all time favorite scenes in the entire series. Dalton was perfect here...

    I love this scene it's one of my favourites in the whole series as well mate. There's so many little moments in it that I love, like how he steps back and steadies himself before pointing the gun at Pushkin and asking "where's Koskov". Love how professional and dangerous he is

    Dalton just IS James Bond here.

    Is it good scene for screentest in your opinion?

    For me absolutely. It shows Bond at his most dangerous and calculating.

    I think if you had this scene, the one from FRWL when Bond meets Tania and the Vesper train sequence from Casino, it would test any potential actors range of emotions and see what their Bond would be like
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    @Mallory shared this link on another thread, but funnily enough it mentions Craig audition featuring the FRWL scene, which I'm not sure I knew before:

    https://www.007.com/james-bond-25-iconic-shots/
  • 007HallY007HallY
    edited 12:18pm Posts: 6,129
    The story goes Craig was originally meant to do a full day but went ‘sod it’ after getting halfway through (I presume it wasn’t quite as blunt as that and they were simply satisfied with what they had). Apparently he didn’t take kindly to Martin Campbell directing him to eat a grape (a bit like Connery did in TB I presume. May have been during the FRWL scene). May well be why there’s no report of him doing a fight scene during the audition… I remember him saying on Graham Norton ‘for some reason I had to take my shirt off at one point’ haha.
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan
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    The real question is, did he do the Vijay scene?
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