Denis Villeneuve Announced as Bond 26 Director

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  • edited August 15 Posts: 493
    007HallY wrote: »
    I agree, it's not quite like the Olympics. The Euros don't quite have opening ceremonies like the Olympics, do they? Something where having the Bond actor make an appearance could work.

    That's a very good point as well. The Euros do a bit of a rushed song and visual performance on the field about an hour before the first match. They aren't exactly cutting edge or well organised/produced because fans don't exactly like the overproduction of matches.

    Having Bond in something like that probably wouldn't work very well. I think the best way to do marketing would be to have trailers between halves, the presenters mention the film and show Bond films on ITV after England matches.

    This is all in the assumption however they'd aim for summer 2028 because of the Euros, which is very unlikely. The film will probably be released when it's ready, if it so happens to come out in mid-July 2028, the Euros could be an opportunity
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    007HallY wrote: »
    I agree, it's not quite like the Olympics. The Euros don't quite have opening ceremonies like the Olympics, do they? Something where having the Bond actor make an appearance could work.

    That's a very good point as well. The Euros do a bit of a rushed song and visual performance on the field about an hour before the first match. They aren't exactly cutting edge or well organised/produced because fans don't exactly like the overproduction of matches.

    Having Bond in something like that probably wouldn't work very well. I think the best way to do marketing would be to have trailers between halves, the presenters mention the film and show Bond films on ITV after England matches.

    This is all in the assumption however they'd aim for summer 2028 because of the Euros, which is very unlikely. The film will probably be released when it's ready, if it so happens to come out in mid-July 2028, the Euros could be an opportunity

    Yeah, I agree. I mean, if it's a later 2028 release (so autumn or even a bit later into the year), by all means have the teaser trailer play during adverts if it's being released at that time anyway (that's how most films are advertised through the Euros, and it's a good spot). I'm not sure if I can see the next Bond actor being part of the Cardiff opening ceremony though nor can I see Bond 26 and the Euros being linked spiritually.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    The other difference between targeting the smaller audience of the US Super Bowl and the Euros is that the US is traditionally much more likely to go to the box office.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Once you have a director and a writer, and scripting has gotten underway and early screen tests are happening, then that means we're usually about 2 years from a new Bond film being released, no? That's usually how long it takes?

    So even if Villeneuve being tied up with Dune is a factor, yes, 2027 could well be on the cards!
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,860
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I'm sorry. I didn't know. I stay away from televised sports like mice stay away from hungry cats. Thank you for clarifying, though.

    Anyway, I sincerely doubt that Amazon would worry about sports events. I'm not sure their target demographics have such a huge overlap.

    With people who like sports?

    Who is it that you feel is Amazon's target demographic?

    I simply believe there's a large segment of the crowd that goes nuts for big sports events that couldn't care less about a new film in theatres, and vice versa.

    As for Amazon, I suppose the world is not enough: they target everyone. But not with the same products.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    Once you have a director and a writer, and scripting has gotten underway and early screen tests are happening, then that means we're usually about 2 years from a new Bond film being released, no? That's usually how long it takes?

    So even if Villeneuve being tied up with Dune is a factor, yes, 2027 could well be on the cards!
    I think screentests are most interesting thing in next Bond, no doubt about that.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 9,158
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I'm sorry. I didn't know. I stay away from televised sports like mice stay away from hungry cats. Thank you for clarifying, though.

    Anyway, I sincerely doubt that Amazon would worry about sports events. I'm not sure their target demographics have such a huge overlap.

    With people who like sports?

    Who is it that you feel is Amazon's target demographic?

    I simply believe there's a large segment of the crowd that goes nuts for big sports events that couldn't care less about a new film in theatres, and vice versa.

    As for Amazon, I suppose the world is not enough: they target everyone. But not with the same products.

    There was a lot of people who went to see Skyfall that didn't care about the London Olympics in 2012, but it doesn't change the fact it had an impact on the films success.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,860
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I'm sorry. I didn't know. I stay away from televised sports like mice stay away from hungry cats. Thank you for clarifying, though.

    Anyway, I sincerely doubt that Amazon would worry about sports events. I'm not sure their target demographics have such a huge overlap.

    With people who like sports?

    Who is it that you feel is Amazon's target demographic?

    I simply believe there's a large segment of the crowd that goes nuts for big sports events that couldn't care less about a new film in theatres, and vice versa.

    As for Amazon, I suppose the world is not enough: they target everyone. But not with the same products.

    There was a lot of people who went to see Skyfall that didn't care about the London Olympics in 2012, but it doesn't change the fact it had an impact on the films success.

    I'm not saying that such things don't impact each other somewhat, but I wouldn't want to exaggerate their mutual impact either.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited August 15 Posts: 9,158
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I'm sorry. I didn't know. I stay away from televised sports like mice stay away from hungry cats. Thank you for clarifying, though.

    Anyway, I sincerely doubt that Amazon would worry about sports events. I'm not sure their target demographics have such a huge overlap.

    With people who like sports?

    Who is it that you feel is Amazon's target demographic?

    I simply believe there's a large segment of the crowd that goes nuts for big sports events that couldn't care less about a new film in theatres, and vice versa.

    As for Amazon, I suppose the world is not enough: they target everyone. But not with the same products.

    There was a lot of people who went to see Skyfall that didn't care about the London Olympics in 2012, but it doesn't change the fact it had an impact on the films success.

    I'm not saying that such things don't impact each other somewhat, but I wouldn't want to exaggerate their mutual impact either.

    So if you're admitting there is a positive impact, why would that be something the filmmakers should wish to avoid?
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    007HallY wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Now that they've gotten going, 2027 isn't impossible I guess. But they'd really have to get to filming by 2026, and obviously we have no release date or main actor yet. It could happen assuming it overlaps with post production for Dune 3 (which is possible, certainly, and it even seems like they're doing very early work for casting/readings). It really is a long haul process for these things though.

    Doesn't that mean Villeneuve would have to skip the press tour for Dune 3? Seems unlikely to happen.

    I suppose it could be done (as big a director Villeneuve is, the actors in the film are more high profile publicity-wise, and ultimately the director of this film being the new Bond director will probably drum up a bit of extra press even if he's not there in person!) But honestly, I have no idea.

    They could maybe allocate some time for him to do video interviews for Dune promos during shooting, and just skip the premieres?

    Unless Amazon and the producers of Dune have negotiated this-- and all one has to do is look at Henry Cavill''s mustache controversy to see how producers help producers- this is exceptionally unlikely to happen. It's baked into the contract of big tent pole pics, with big-time directors to do press and premieres.

    And press tours can last for a couple to three months depending on how they stagger the release worldwide.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,860
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I'm sorry. I didn't know. I stay away from televised sports like mice stay away from hungry cats. Thank you for clarifying, though.

    Anyway, I sincerely doubt that Amazon would worry about sports events. I'm not sure their target demographics have such a huge overlap.

    With people who like sports?

    Who is it that you feel is Amazon's target demographic?

    I simply believe there's a large segment of the crowd that goes nuts for big sports events that couldn't care less about a new film in theatres, and vice versa.

    As for Amazon, I suppose the world is not enough: they target everyone. But not with the same products.

    There was a lot of people who went to see Skyfall that didn't care about the London Olympics in 2012, but it doesn't change the fact it had an impact on the films success.

    I'm not saying that such things don't impact each other somewhat, but I wouldn't want to exaggerate their mutual impact either.

    So if you're admitting there is a positive impact, why would that be something the filmmakers should wish to avoid?

    I think it’s too minor an issue to take into account. It’s hard enough just to avoid clashing with other film releases.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    https://screenrant.com/james-bond-26-movie-josh-brolin-involvement/

    I'd say a big yes to him joining. It's a shame that his dad didn't. Roger Moore just played it too damn long.
  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
    edited August 15 Posts: 749
    Generally the Bond films tend to subvert the fears of the day rather than lean into them. The message of the Cold War Bond films is usually to reassure the audience that the Russians don’t want a nuclear war, it’s some third party; the same for DAD - it’s not the North Korean leadership pushing for an invasion of South Korea, it’s a rogue element. The general public don’t want to leave the cinema afraid, they want to be reassured their happiness and well-being is not balanced on a knife-edge.

    We’re not going to get the new movie taking a hard look at America’s political issues, or the Ukraine, or what social and political forces are driving the Israel/Palestine conflict. Supervillains, rogue masterminds, shadowy secret cabals of unelected puppet masters, that’s what we’ll get. They’re probably kicking themselves that Mission:Impossible got to the rogue AI first. I wouldn’t be surprised to find a fictional military contractor in the vein of Blackwater as our villain of the hour.
    Here, here!
    Burgess wrote: »
    You sound offended. It’s a forum where people speculate on “what if?” and openly wonder about “what could be.”
    Please don't project your personal assumptions about how others think or feel. Rest assured I'm not offended, I just don't like to see what I said rewritten into something I didn't say
    Burgess wrote: »
    But I’ll add that 2028 is going to be a significantly different world than 2025. In as much as 2021 was a different world than 2015 and so on. Blockbuster filmmaking is in a pickle. The marketplace is stuffed with fantasy that just isn’t playing with audiences as it did before COVID.

    True dat, they need to understand what that change is, which could be an irrevocable change brought about by technology (internet, smart phones etc) or it could be something they are doing wrong (too much political correctness or other agenda), I'm sure we will all have varying theories on what is happening and the truth will be some combination of both.

    Burgess wrote: »
    If Casino Royale is Bond’s response to Bourne post Die Another Day (and 9/11) what will Bond 26 be in the aftermath of a dwindling blockbuster marketplace and COVID and American Protectionism and the rise of fascism and Brexit?

    Bourne was a film trend in the same genre, so no surprise Bond had to respond to it.

    I'm sure you'll tell me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Bond has featured any Middle Eastern terrorist style villians. Silva carried out terrorist acts, but they were carried out for personal revenge rather than to further any political ideology, which makes him similar to Renard or Trevelyan, who are both pre 9/11. Le Chiffe was an unprincipled arms dealer who was prepared to use inside information about terrorism to make a fast buck, but otherwise apolitical.

    I doubt any of the things you mentioned are suitable for a Bond movie, other than "the rise of..." Totalitarianism in any form, be it right or left, which is a timeless theme.
    Burgess wrote: »
    Dune is overtly political.

    I'm not sure "overtly" is the right term, I'm sure Villeneuve intends any wider political message contained in the film to be "subtle"

    The political themes in Dune have been around as long as humans have engaged in politics, and always remain relevant, just as they were when the book was published in 1965.
    Burgess wrote: »
    Sicario is overtly political. Peaky Blinders is overtly political.

    Thats fine, but James Bond isn't that sort of movie and never has been
    There's about as much chance of that happening as reviving the "Carry On" franchise with a political slant

    Although, come to think of it, "Carry On Brexit" might have some possibilities?
    Burgess wrote: »
    You don’t hire Villeneuve and Knight to create Tomorrow Never Dies. You hire them to push Bond into new areas; to break new ground.

    I don’t think Bond 26 will be an Oliver Stone film, but there’s plenty of space to fill by some very talented and smart artists who’s CVs show how much they’re willing to play with boundaries to tell a compelling and relevant story.

    I guess we'll find out in due course

  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited 1:34am Posts: 6,924
    mtm wrote: »
    I'm listening to the latest James Bond & Friends podcast, which they seem to have recorded right after DV was announced but bizarrely have only just released, and there's lots of gnashing of teeth about how DV represents a continuation of the Craig years etc. and it kind of frustrates me. The Connery & Moore films were great, but they're not coming back, any more than they're going to make an Adam West Batman film anytime soon. This is how films are now; maybe you might get a Superman-esque dash of light, but the audience doesn't want simplistic stuff; they respond to a bit of drama and grit: the Dune films are massive.
    I like listening to Bond podcasts but I feel there is a bit of a gap in the market for ones made by people who enjoy Bond films! :D

    I don't think we are going to see a light Bond film for a very long time. And that's okay. We had many, many light Bond films.

    It's not a coincidence that most of the light Bond films predated Die Hard.
  • Posts: 481
    Seve wrote: »
    Generally the Bond films tend to subvert the fears of the day rather than lean into them. The message of the Cold War Bond films is usually to reassure the audience that the Russians don’t want a nuclear war, it’s some third party; the same for DAD - it’s not the North Korean leadership pushing for an invasion of South Korea, it’s a rogue element. The general public don’t want to leave the cinema afraid, they want to be reassured their happiness and well-being is not balanced on a knife-edge.

    We’re not going to get the new movie taking a hard look at America’s political issues, or the Ukraine, or what social and political forces are driving the Israel/Palestine conflict. Supervillains, rogue masterminds, shadowy secret cabals of unelected puppet masters, that’s what we’ll get. They’re probably kicking themselves that Mission:Impossible got to the rogue AI first. I wouldn’t be surprised to find a fictional military contractor in the vein of Blackwater as our villain of the hour.
    Here, here!
    Burgess wrote: »
    You sound offended. It’s a forum where people speculate on “what if?” and openly wonder about “what could be.”
    Please don't project your personal assumptions about how others think or feel. Rest assured I'm not offended, I just don't like to see what I said rewritten into something I didn't say
    Burgess wrote: »
    But I’ll add that 2028 is going to be a significantly different world than 2025. In as much as 2021 was a different world than 2015 and so on. Blockbuster filmmaking is in a pickle. The marketplace is stuffed with fantasy that just isn’t playing with audiences as it did before COVID.

    True dat, they need to understand what that change is, which could be an irrevocable change brought about by technology (internet, smart phones etc) or it could be something they are doing wrong (too much political correctness or other agenda), I'm sure we will all have varying theories on what is happening and the truth will be some combination of both.

    Burgess wrote: »
    If Casino Royale is Bond’s response to Bourne post Die Another Day (and 9/11) what will Bond 26 be in the aftermath of a dwindling blockbuster marketplace and COVID and American Protectionism and the rise of fascism and Brexit?

    Bourne was a film trend in the same genre, so no surprise Bond had to respond to it.

    I'm sure you'll tell me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Bond has featured any Middle Eastern terrorist style villians. Silva carried out terrorist acts, but they were carried out for personal revenge rather than to further any political ideology, which makes him similar to Renard or Trevelyan, who are both pre 9/11. Le Chiffe was an unprincipled arms dealer who was prepared to use inside information about terrorism to make a fast buck, but otherwise apolitical.

    I doubt any of the things you mentioned are suitable for a Bond movie, other than "the rise of..." Totalitarianism in any form, be it right or left, which is a timeless theme.
    Burgess wrote: »
    Dune is overtly political.

    I'm not sure "overtly" is the right term, I'm sure Villeneuve intends any wider political message contained in the film to be "subtle"

    The political themes in Dune have been around as long as humans have engaged in politics, and always remain relevant, just as they were when the book was published in 1965.
    Burgess wrote: »
    Sicario is overtly political. Peaky Blinders is overtly political.

    Thats fine, but James Bond isn't that sort of movie and never has been
    There's about as much chance of that happening as reviving the "Carry On" franchise with a political slant

    Although, come to think of it, "Carry On Brexit" might have some possibilities?
    Burgess wrote: »
    You don’t hire Villeneuve and Knight to create Tomorrow Never Dies. You hire them to push Bond into new areas; to break new ground.

    I don’t think Bond 26 will be an Oliver Stone film, but there’s plenty of space to fill by some very talented and smart artists who’s CVs show how much they’re willing to play with boundaries to tell a compelling and relevant story.

    I guess we'll find out in due course

    Yes, I do understand that the James Bond films have preferred to use fictional analogues for its villains. But there are other examples that tilt closer to what I'm suggesting. The plots of For Your Eyes Only, Octopussy, A View To A Kill, The Living Daylights and License To Kill are a Cold War time capsule that captured the personality, culture, anxieties and politics of the 1980s. I think more so than any other decade, save for our near twenty years with Daniel Craig, Bond had something to say. The Bond films of other times are awash in the trends of their respective decades. But those John Glen-directed films were not simply stylishly 80s, they were intentional reflections on the geopolitics of their day.

    The Bond franchise needs to differentiate itself from all the other genre blockbusters that aren't connecting with audiences. I think one way to do that, in the spirit of the 80's films, is to hew closer to reality. We live in big times with big stakes and big and problems. We're all holding our breaths. Maybe Bond could be that cathartic release.

    Embracing reality doesn't have to exclude fantasy and wish-fulfillment. I cite Tarantino's Inglorious Basterds, Django and Once Upon A Time In Hollywood as loose examples of how filmed fiction can honor and examine and heighten real tragedy for popular entertainment. nd be honored for it. It may not be the way, but its something that hasn't been done with Bond on film. Audiences want an immersive experience. Audiences will pay for things that are entertaining and have something to say.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    What you guys think of James Brolins screentest for Octopussy? I think its good but only minus is that he is a American.
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    The James Bond Brexit movie already exists and is called Skyfall.
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