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The theories of Bond films! Was DAF the film where the series "jumped the shark"?

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  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
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    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    I'd tend to say DAF definitely jumped the shark, although sometimes I think it jumped with YOLT (too much sci-fi, Connery had lost interest in the role, too many nonsensical scenes). But DAF is the very first time, and to a degree the only time, when Bond fell full on self parody. They could take the whole script unchanged except for the names and it would be an Austin Powers movie.

    I think the OP is right; the "You just killed James Bond!" moment is the first instance of outright parody in the series. There are later moments also breaking the fourth wall, like the James Bond theme played by Vijay in OP.

    YOLT treads right up to the line...but it stops before Bond goes into space.

    If jumping the shark equalled breaking the fourth wall, the jump would have started with "This never happened to the other fellow." Plus Draco's midget janitor whistling the Goldfinger theme.

    Yeah, even the Playboy centerfold is a bit weird.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    DEKE_RIVERS wrote: »
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    I'd tend to say DAF definitely jumped the shark, although sometimes I think it jumped with YOLT (too much sci-fi, Connery had lost interest in the role, too many nonsensical scenes). But DAF is the very first time, and to a degree the only time, when Bond fell full on self parody. They could take the whole script unchanged except for the names and it would be an Austin Powers movie.

    I think the OP is right; the "You just killed James Bond!" moment is the first instance of outright parody in the series. There are later moments also breaking the fourth wall, like the James Bond theme played by Vijay in OP.

    YOLT treads right up to the line...but it stops before Bond goes into space.

    If jumping the shark equalled breaking the fourth wall, the jump would have started with "This never happened to the other fellow." Plus Draco's midget janitor whistling the Goldfinger theme.

    Yeah, even the Playboy centerfold is a bit weird.

    But surely, that takes nothing more away from the intrinsic quality of the whole film! Hence it's not a jump the shark moment.
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
    Posts: 2,238
    Ludovico wrote: »
    DEKE_RIVERS wrote: »
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    I'd tend to say DAF definitely jumped the shark, although sometimes I think it jumped with YOLT (too much sci-fi, Connery had lost interest in the role, too many nonsensical scenes). But DAF is the very first time, and to a degree the only time, when Bond fell full on self parody. They could take the whole script unchanged except for the names and it would be an Austin Powers movie.

    I think the OP is right; the "You just killed James Bond!" moment is the first instance of outright parody in the series. There are later moments also breaking the fourth wall, like the James Bond theme played by Vijay in OP.

    YOLT treads right up to the line...but it stops before Bond goes into space.

    If jumping the shark equalled breaking the fourth wall, the jump would have started with "This never happened to the other fellow." Plus Draco's midget janitor whistling the Goldfinger theme.

    Yeah, even the Playboy centerfold is a bit weird.

    But surely, that takes nothing more away from the intrinsic quality of the whole film! Hence it's not a jump the shark moment.

    How many moments like these do you need? ;)
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    DEKE_RIVERS wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    DEKE_RIVERS wrote: »
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    I'd tend to say DAF definitely jumped the shark, although sometimes I think it jumped with YOLT (too much sci-fi, Connery had lost interest in the role, too many nonsensical scenes). But DAF is the very first time, and to a degree the only time, when Bond fell full on self parody. They could take the whole script unchanged except for the names and it would be an Austin Powers movie.

    I think the OP is right; the "You just killed James Bond!" moment is the first instance of outright parody in the series. There are later moments also breaking the fourth wall, like the James Bond theme played by Vijay in OP.

    YOLT treads right up to the line...but it stops before Bond goes into space.

    If jumping the shark equalled breaking the fourth wall, the jump would have started with "This never happened to the other fellow." Plus Draco's midget janitor whistling the Goldfinger theme.

    Yeah, even the Playboy centerfold is a bit weird.

    But surely, that takes nothing more away from the intrinsic quality of the whole film! Hence it's not a jump the shark moment.

    How many moments like these do you need? ;)

    What I mean is that it didn't really turn the series or changed its nature. It's like the handwave in FRWL: it's a bit silly, but doesn't spoil the film.
  • slide_99slide_99 USA
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    Do you agree that DAF is where the series "jumped the shark"?

    Yeah, I'd agree. While YOLT was over-the-top and borderline cartoonish, it was still played pretty straight. DAF, on the other hand, is overtly parodical, with both Connery and Gray essentially playing satirical versions of their characters.
  • 007HallY007HallY
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    If someone’s not a fan of the odd self referential joke, Bond might not be the best series for them I’d argue!
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,853
    I think there certainly was a decline with DAF. I think the producers saw that too and went for Roger Moore, steeply steering away from Connery. They did it because the franchise had jumped the shark with DAF, and they intended to undo the damage. In which they succeeded, I'd argue.
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