Should we get a new M / Q / Moneypenny for BOND 26 and beyond ?

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  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
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    peter wrote: »

    Amazon is making their own creative choices and I’d sell my house if Ben Wishaw was back as Q, Naomi Harris back as Moneypenny, and Fiennes back as any version of M. In fact, I didn’t see them returning even if Broccoli and Wilson were still running the show. The Craig era had a beginning, middle and a full-stop end. It’s its own thing within canon. We are moving on…

    True dat

    Although it did share an M with the Brosnan era for over half it's run...
  • edited June 26 Posts: 190
    The fact that so many people on here think they should and that they might bring back the same actors from the Craig universe is completely baffling. The new writers need to be able to create new versions of these characters that fit in this new iteration and play against the new Bond and have chemistry with him, etc. For instance, Wishaw's Q was made to be young and play against Bond being a "dinosaur." Why would they just use the same actors for the new universe? It makes no sense, especially since Bond died and it would just confuse the general audience (many would think it's supposed to be in the same universe, aka a prequel). What would be the upside? Sure, they're good actors, but there are other good actors out there too. They obviously need to start fresh.

    I think this time around they'll do a female Q. In fact I don't see how they couldn't. If Q is male yet again it would almost look like they're trying to say Q has to be male since it's science/technology related. They always do something new like this, and female Q seems like the next logical step. I think they should do a younger, nerdy, no-nonsense female Q. I could see Jodie Comer.

    And then since Q is female I think they'll have to do a male M, and one that is older since we'll have a younger Bond. An older more fatherly M. Colin Salmon, Paul McGann?

    For Moneypenny I'd say Phoebe Waller-Bridge. Let her be funny and do sexual innuendo towards Bond. Let her write her own lines and/or riff with the new actor.
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    Well in the end it will depend of the approach Villeneuve and the production will take. They might want to stick to some of the same casting for name recognition and to smoothen the transition into the new era. I wouldn't be surprised if Ralph Fiennes came back.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    If we count Dune and Dune:Part Two as separate films, there's three actors who have been in three separate Villeneuve films: David Dastmalchian (Q, obviously), Josh Brolin (M) and Dave Bautista (Moneypenny, I guess).
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    I'm all for a new cast for these supporting roles. I think it's needed. Even though I loved Naomie as Moneypenny and Fiennes as M.

    I do hope for another female M this time. Somebody earlier mentioned Charlotte Rampling. She'd be pretty great in that role.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    I'm all for a new cast for these supporting roles. I think it's needed. Even though I loved Naomie as Moneypenny and Fiennes as M.

    I do hope for another female M this time. Somebody earlier mentioned Charlotte Rampling. She'd be pretty great in that role.

    She’s wonderful, but is pushing 80.
    She might be a little too old for M.

    Olivia Colman would be a big yes from me however.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited June 27 Posts: 6,831
    Colman with a younger Bond (which we are almost certain to get) sounds delicious to me. I mean, she can do no wrong as an actress and is basically the Dench of her generation.

    Plus, she is rightly so busy with other projects that maybe her role as M would be smaller, and that would appease fans who think the M role has gotten too prominent.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    echo wrote: »
    Colman with a younger Bond (which we are almost certain to get) sounds delicious to me. I mean, she can do no wrong as an actress and is basically the Dench of her generation.

    I think that's what puts me off her to be honest: she's a bit too much of a Dench replacement (although I'm sure she could do it differently: she's the MI6 contact in Night Manager, and played it pregnant!).
    Britain's kind of teeming with potential Ms - even just looking randomly at the most recent honours list: how about Adjoa Andoh? I could buy her as a pretty fierce and stately M.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Okay ... how about Imelda Staunton for M? She's 69, not nearly as old as Charlotte Rampling or Julie Christie. I think she could shine in the role.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited June 27 Posts: 6,831
    Staunton is great but 70 is pretty old if Bond is 30.

    There is no shortage of great British actresses who could fill the role. It's hard to think of actresses who haven't already played an M-type in a spy movie/show. I'm thinking of Winslet and Scott-Thomas, but there are undeniably others.

    Erin Doherty as Gala Brand? She is excellent in Adolescence and will probably get an Emmy for it shortly.
  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
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    Can anyone see Naomie Harris coming back not as Moneypenny but as M?

    Hope not.

    Dreadfully miscast as Moneypenny.
  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
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    peter wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    Olivia Colman would be perfect as M. Someone mentioned her a while back.

    As much as I love the recent M, Q, and Moneypenny, no no no, all new actors, please.

    Agreed: Mallory helped kill James Bond and the supporting ensemble were there to witness it. Bezos really can’t stand Broccoli either, and I can’t imagine a world where lead actors from her films will ever see the light of day as the same characters in any of his Bond-financed pictures.

    Amazon is making their own creative choices and I’d sell my house if Ben Wishaw was back as Q, Naomi Harris back as Moneypenny, and Fiennes back as any version of M. In fact, I didn’t see them returning even if Broccoli and Wilson were still running the show. The Craig era had a beginning, middle and a full-stop end. It’s its own thing within canon. We are moving on…

    To be frank, Fiennes, Wishaw, Kinnear and Harris were all pretty poor and their characterisation poorly realised.

    Mallory is the one who really stands out. With a fickle 'troubles' backstory which provokes more concern to his total incompetence in NTTD. A complete waste.

    He did deliver the f-bomb with aplomb, though, fair play. First audible f in the entire canon.
    echo wrote: »
    Olivia Colman would be perfect as M. Someone mentioned her a while back.

    As much as I love the recent M, Q, and Moneypenny, no no no, all new actors, please.

    Have to disagree, there.

    Colman would make a grand addition in some capacity, but not M.

    Keep seeing her as Sophie in peep show.

    Maybe David Mitchell could step up? Or Johnson...
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Loved Naomie as Moneypenny.

    Anyhoo ... I don't want someone as young a Kate Winslet being M. I want an older actress; just my preference.
  • SatoriousSatorious Brushing up on a little Danish
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    I'm sure it's been said already, but I vote Hugh Grant for M - he old and crotchety enough to do this now - he would probably also inject a bit more humour.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    Loved Naomie as Moneypenny.

    Anyhoo ... I don't want someone as young a Kate Winslet being M. I want an older actress; just my preference.

    Kate Winslet is two years older than the actual new "C" of MI6, Blaise Metreweli.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
    edited June 27 Posts: 842
    Bonneville for M ,

    Alice Eve for Moneypenny,

    Derek Jacobi for Q
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    Loved Naomie as Moneypenny.

    Anyhoo ... I don't want someone as young a Kate Winslet being M. I want an older actress; just my preference.

    Kate Winslet is two years older than the actual new "C" of MI6, Blaise Metreweli.

    That's fine. I simply wanted an older woman in the role.
  • Posts: 4
    If Bond 26 is a complete reboot, then M, Q, and Moneypenny must be recast. Keeping Ralph Fiennes, Naomi Harris, and Ben Whishaw after No Time to Die, where Bond dies, would confuse audiences and blur the timeline. Judi Dench carried over from Brosnan to Craig, but Bond was alive then.

    This is different.

    A clean break avoids baggage and lets the new era truly start fresh.

    I personally think Ralph Fiennes, Ben Whishaw, and Naomie Harris are all great in their roles and could absolutely return for Bond 26, but it would be confusing. Bond died in No Time to Die, so keeping the same supporting cast makes people go, "Hey, wait a minute. If Bond is dead and alive in this movie [Bond 26], how is this the same M, Q, and Moneypenny?" It's like Bond's death never happened, and confuses the reboot and blurs the line between eras.
  • edited June 29 Posts: 15,816
    Loved Naomie as Moneypenny.

    Anyhoo ... I don't want someone as young a Kate Winslet being M. I want an older actress; just my preference.
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    Loved Naomie as Moneypenny.

    Anyhoo ... I don't want someone as young a Kate Winslet being M. I want an older actress; just my preference.

    Kate Winslet is two years older than the actual new "C" of MI6, Blaise Metreweli.

    And she's younger than me! Albeit only by a few months.
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    I think Kate Winslet would be a great M.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited June 30 Posts: 18,393
    Satorious wrote: »
    I'm sure it's been said already, but I vote Hugh Grant for M - he old and crotchety enough to do this now - he would probably also inject a bit more humour.

    Yeah, Grant or Winslet would interest me; they’re not the same ‘types’ we’ve already had.
    In truth, casting M probably isn’t too tricky compared to casting Bond himself! The U.K. is full of actors who could play it very well, and the character can kind of be anyone. Plus it’s more or less a cameo role so you’re probably more likely to get someone who’s really good.
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    Please not Grant as M! Can't see DV working with him in any case.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Why not? He’s great.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    I love Hugh Grant. The man knows how to act with ease.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    Colman is probably high on the list of people you want to talk to when you are casting a very high level British production. I agree that her as M is a bit too close to Judy Dench for me. I'm sure she could and would play it completely differently, but how different from "my" M - Judy Dench has played M in seven of the nine Bond films released in my lifetime - do I really want the character to be interpreted?
    I would be much more interested in Olivia Colman to play a high-impact character at some location for one act of the film. A station chief. An analyst Bond has to get to safety, but who has motives contrary to his. A secondary villain (or just plainly the villain of the film). Some minister (although we've probably had to many of those in the Craig films).
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    mtm wrote: »
    Why not? He’s great.

    I don't think so. He's rather limited, mostly if not exclusively a comedy actor, he has neither gravitas nor authority to pass as a high ranking civil servant.
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    Colman is probably high on the list of people you want to talk to when you are casting a very high level British production. I agree that her as M is a bit too close to Judy Dench for me. I'm sure she could and would play it completely differently, but how different from "my" M - Judy Dench has played M in seven of the nine Bond films released in my lifetime - do I really want the character to be interpreted?
    I would be much more interested in Olivia Colman to play a high-impact character at some location for one act of the film. A station chief. An analyst Bond has to get to safety, but who has motives contrary to his. A secondary villain (or just plainly the villain of the film). Some minister (although we've probably had to many of those in the Craig films).

    I agree. My dream for M would be Jared Harris or someone similar, but I think Colman could be a great Foreign Secretary or something like that.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited June 30 Posts: 6,041
    I personally disagree about Colman as M, and before I say this I don't want users to think I'm specifically talking about you, but more generally, I think the concern that she'd be 'too similar' to Judi Dench possibly says more about how female legacy in male-dominated roles are perceived, than about Colman's actual potential.

    With male actors who've played M, like Bernard Lee, Robert Brown, and Ralph Fiennes, they don't seem to be held to the same standard of 'difference' from their predecessors. But with women, it’s as if there can only be one version, or else it’s redundant. Colman brings a very different energy to the table: she’s unpredictable, emotionally layered, and can switch between warmth and authority in a way that’s totally her own. I think she could redefine the role just as powerfully as Dench did, not echo it.

    Again, I'm not accusing anyone of this double standard, just pointing out it's possibility.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    I'm with Dennis Pennis re. Hugh Grant.

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