EoN sells up - Amazon MGM to produce 007 going forwards (Heyman and Pascal confirmed as producers)

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  • Posts: 5,137
    Venutius wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I do think that one of SF's strengths is giving us a deserted, almost Gothic looking version of Scotland.
    Indeed. Just off the top of my head, there's Gothic elements in the ancestral home in an isolated setting; the past intervening in the present; a pursued protagonist; a hero-villain; the revealing of and confrontation with buried secrets, And your basic extreme weather, darkness and death, obvs. All good stuff. Beats the Home Alone analogies, at least.

    Definitely it's more Straw Dogs than Home Alone as many have said ;) I like the feel and look of it though. I know some people criticise SF's third act (even critics/audiences who love the movie) but I really like how it comes together.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    007HallY wrote: »
    I wouldn't necessarily bank on a Brosnan return with Bond in America either frankly, but we'll see what we get, and of course never say never! Anyway, let's see what comes of these tariffs first, if anything.
    I don't want to drag this further into politics than it has already, but I do want to clear up two points. 1) I don't know what is meant by 'progressive' if it's another way of calling someone left wing, then that is not true (in my case). 2) posting that gif mocking Trump is the worst thing I have ever done. What's the worst that he has ever done?


    Also, I had to google what TDS is. If it came down to a choice of having TDS or being the village idiot, i'll take a dose of TDS.


    MajorDSmythe out
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    mtm wrote: »
    Thing is, if they make in America it'll be more expensive, and we won't get the budget onscreen where it should be. That's why this 'plan' is so stupid.
    And already it will have added uncertainty to the industry (an industry already going through a rough patch and which really didn't need it), so it's quite possible that we're looking at a longer delay. Anyone expecting this to go down well on a forum of Bond fans, or just fans of western movies in general, who are eager for the next film are on another planet. No derangement required, just a basic understanding of the situation.

    Yeah, I think these are both fair points. Not to get too deep into politics (I'm not a fan of discussing it here - best stick to Bond) but the sense I get isn't that this forum is full of left wingers

    Yes that's far from my impression too! :D In fact I have thought before that there's an interesting discussion to be had there about whether Bond and his attitudes and just the overall sense of conservatism (with a small 'c') he stands for perhaps naturally attracts as many or perhaps more right wing people than left wing, but generally it's felt like it probably leads to a quieter life to let that one lie! :)
  • edited May 6 Posts: 5,137
    mtm wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I wouldn't necessarily bank on a Brosnan return with Bond in America either frankly, but we'll see what we get, and of course never say never! Anyway, let's see what comes of these tariffs first, if anything.
    I don't want to drag this further into politics than it has already, but I do want to clear up two points. 1) I don't know what is meant by 'progressive' if it's another way of calling someone left wing, then that is not true (in my case). 2) posting that gif mocking Trump is the worst thing I have ever done. What's the worst that he has ever done?


    Also, I had to google what TDS is. If it came down to a choice of having TDS or being the village idiot, i'll take a dose of TDS.


    MajorDSmythe out
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    mtm wrote: »
    Thing is, if they make in America it'll be more expensive, and we won't get the budget onscreen where it should be. That's why this 'plan' is so stupid.
    And already it will have added uncertainty to the industry (an industry already going through a rough patch and which really didn't need it), so it's quite possible that we're looking at a longer delay. Anyone expecting this to go down well on a forum of Bond fans, or just fans of western movies in general, who are eager for the next film are on another planet. No derangement required, just a basic understanding of the situation.

    Yeah, I think these are both fair points. Not to get too deep into politics (I'm not a fan of discussing it here - best stick to Bond) but the sense I get isn't that this forum is full of left wingers

    Yes that's far from my impression too! :D In fact I have thought before that there's an interesting discussion to be had there about whether Bond and his attitudes and just the overall sense of conservatism (with a small 'c') he stands for perhaps naturally attracts as many or perhaps more right wing people than left wing, but generally it's felt like it probably leads to a quieter life to let that one lie! :)

    Perhaps! Although as is the case with most things if the conversation is sensible there's no reason it can't be discussed.

    I think James Bond has always had criticism from more left and right wing individuals, usually for moral/political reasons. But personally, I know people who would call themselves 'small c conservatives' as well as individuals who work for Trade Unions and are actually quite active in left wing politics who would openly say they like the films and character. It definitely skews more male in my experience, but obviously there are women Bond fans too.

    Regardless I don't think the world (or even the internet!) is split between conservatives and progressives. We all have our nuances, and there's going to be an element here where our political views on, say, the economy, renewable energy, or even Donald Trump are simply not going to be relevant to our enjoyment of Bond. There might be overlap with our very broad sensibilities or even political views in terms of what we discuss about Bond here (ie. would a more socially liberal individual be more likely to be supportive of a Bond who isn't played by a white actor? I don't think this is always the case incidentally - I'm sure plenty of conservative leaning fans are fine with such a Bond given the right actor - and I think often it's that lack of nuance which destroys that particular conversation and gets people unnecessarily riled up. But it's not impossible for it to be the case either). Ultimately though, again, I think it's fair to say this forum has a spectrum of views when you really get into this.

    It's an interesting conversation... although maybe not relevant to this thread, haha. Anyway, very off topic.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    007HallY wrote: »
    Venutius wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I do think that one of SF's strengths is giving us a deserted, almost Gothic looking version of Scotland.
    Indeed. Just off the top of my head, there's Gothic elements in the ancestral home in an isolated setting; the past intervening in the present; a pursued protagonist; a hero-villain; the revealing of and confrontation with buried secrets, And your basic extreme weather, darkness and death, obvs. All good stuff. Beats the Home Alone analogies, at least.

    Definitely it's more Straw Dogs than Home Alone as many have said ;) I like the feel and look of it though. I know some people criticise SF's third act (even critics/audiences who love the movie) but I really like how it comes together.

    I love the third act. It's what keeps Skyfall watchable for me. I got to talk to Chris Corbould once about him directing the sequence of Silva's attack, so I'm very fond of that finale.
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    wouldn't mind seeing another "James Bond in America." Was the last one LTK?

    Generally Bond doesn't do US very well. I'd rather America be shown sparingly. Be that as it may, I think it would be a major creative hindrance to favour the US over other locations. Especially since the United States are hardly exotic anymore.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,604
    wouldn't mind seeing another "James Bond in America." Was the last one LTK?

    CR, if you count the Miami International chase. But the last time a crew shot in the US? Had to be LTK.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Dakato Johnson
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    Love Bond in the US. Just make sure it's every once in a while and not all the time. I want Bond in Texas vs General Midwinter, like in Billion Dollar Brain.

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  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited May 6 Posts: 8,868
    Will the tariff potentially delay development on Bond 26? Is 2027 now in doubt?
  • Posts: 15,573
    Will the tariff potentially delay development on Bond 26? Is 2027 now in doubt?

    I think it has a big chance of delaying things, yes.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Brosnan is not coming back. 26 will not be made in America. The tariffs won't happen.
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Being chauffeured by Tibbett
    edited 1:37am Posts: 778
    I seem to remember reading that Bond is Trump's favourite character. Makes me want a POC cast in the role, even more.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,604
    I wonder if he ever saw Goldfinger.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    And either Purvis and Wade said writing a Bond villain would be hard with Trump (and Putin) in office. This further proves how wrong they are.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    I don't know why more Bond fans aren't talking about the tariffs. Even if we say it's all negotiation tactics from Trump, amazon can't move ahead with a 300 million dollar production outside the US until they are certain it won't be effected. In other words if this tariff is put in place for only 6 month, then development of Bond 26 will have to be delayed by that much.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited 6:59am Posts: 17,934
    Will the tariff potentially delay development on Bond 26? Is 2027 now in doubt?

    I would imagine projects are probably pausing right now- why risk spending tens of millions on something when you’ve just been told it might cost double? Adding uncertainty to an industry already in the midst of uncertainty is just such terrible leadership.
    Apparently some folks think this is all so ‘negotiations’ can begin, but who would be negotiated with is unclear - getting other countries to remove their incentives won’t make business any cheaper or easier for Hollywood.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,868
    mtm wrote: »
    Will the tariff potentially delay development on Bond 26? Is 2027 now in doubt?

    I would imagine projects are probably pausing right now- why risk spending tens of millions on something when you’ve just been told it might cost double? Adding uncertainty to an industry already in the midst of uncertainty is just such terrible leadership.
    Apparently some folks think this is all so ‘negotiations’ can begin, but who would be negotiated with is unclear - getting other countries to remove their incentives won’t make business any cheaper or easier for Hollywood.

    Yeah, it's just not feasible on a production the size of Bond, so I guess this is going to be another hurdle. If the movie costs 250 - 300 million to make and spends over 100 on marketing, with 100 percent tariff in place they might have to hit a billion just to break even. It doesn't make any sense to proceed.
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    edited 10:46am Posts: 2,677
    mtm wrote: »
    Will the tariff potentially delay development on Bond 26? Is 2027 now in doubt?

    I would imagine projects are probably pausing right now- why risk spending tens of millions on something when you’ve just been told it might cost double? Adding uncertainty to an industry already in the midst of uncertainty is just such terrible leadership.
    Apparently some folks think this is all so ‘negotiations’ can begin, but who would be negotiated with is unclear - getting other countries to remove their incentives won’t make business any cheaper or easier for Hollywood.

    Yeah, it's just not feasible on a production the size of Bond, so I guess this is going to be another hurdle. If the movie costs 250 - 300 million to make and spends over 100 on marketing, with 100 percent tariff in place they might have to hit a billion just to break even. It doesn't make any sense to proceed.

    Amazon don't worry/care about spending money i would think with a valuation of 1.96 trillion USD ?
  • edited 10:55am Posts: 5,137
    mtm wrote: »
    Will the tariff potentially delay development on Bond 26? Is 2027 now in doubt?

    I would imagine projects are probably pausing right now- why risk spending tens of millions on something when you’ve just been told it might cost double? Adding uncertainty to an industry already in the midst of uncertainty is just such terrible leadership.
    Apparently some folks think this is all so ‘negotiations’ can begin, but who would be negotiated with is unclear - getting other countries to remove their incentives won’t make business any cheaper or easier for Hollywood.

    Yeah, it's just not feasible on a production the size of Bond, so I guess this is going to be another hurdle. If the movie costs 250 - 300 million to make and spends over 100 on marketing, with 100 percent tariff in place they might have to hit a billion just to break even. It doesn't make any sense to proceed.

    Amazon don't worry/care about spending money i would think with a valuation of 1.96 trillion USD ?

    I think it's worth saying any business would try not to pay double their expected budget, even if they're a trillion dollar company.
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    Posts: 2,677
    007HallY wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Will the tariff potentially delay development on Bond 26? Is 2027 now in doubt?

    I would imagine projects are probably pausing right now- why risk spending tens of millions on something when you’ve just been told it might cost double? Adding uncertainty to an industry already in the midst of uncertainty is just such terrible leadership.
    Apparently some folks think this is all so ‘negotiations’ can begin, but who would be negotiated with is unclear - getting other countries to remove their incentives won’t make business any cheaper or easier for Hollywood.

    Yeah, it's just not feasible on a production the size of Bond, so I guess this is going to be another hurdle. If the movie costs 250 - 300 million to make and spends over 100 on marketing, with 100 percent tariff in place they might have to hit a billion just to break even. It doesn't make any sense to proceed.

    Amazon don't worry/care about spending money i would think with a valuation of 1.96 trillion USD ?

    I think it's worth saying any business would try not to pay double their expected budget, even if they're a trillion dollar company.

    I think the new bond films are going to be produced in the USA now aren't they ?

    They can still shoot in other countries without paying full if any tariffs i would guess ?

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Well, the only thing we've heard is that they're somehow tariffs, and US tariffs are of course paid by the American consumer, so somehow this would presumably be passed onto the moviegoers; so the studio wouldn't necessarily be spending more, but they would be getting a much lower profit because people aren't going to pay twice the price. If they moved production to the US, without any financial incentives to make it better for them they would actually be spending more, and so again: reduced profit.
    So if you wanted to kill Hollywood, this is a really good way of doing it.
    Chinese cinema still doing well though.
  • Posts: 5,137
    mtm wrote: »
    Well, the only thing we've heard is that they're somehow tariffs, and US tariffs are of course paid by the American consumer, so somehow this would presumably be passed onto the moviegoers; so the studio wouldn't necessarily be spending more, but they would be getting a much lower profit because people aren't going to pay twice the price. If they moved production to the US, without any financial incentives to make it better for them they would actually be spending more, and so again: reduced profit.
    So if you wanted to kill Hollywood, this is a really good way of doing it.
    Chinese cinema still doing well though.

    Yes, good points.
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    Posts: 2,677
    Money is not a problem for Amazon i would think ?

    They already spent billions for MGM and the EON bond rights, MGM $8.45 billion/EON $1 billion........
  • Posts: 1,903
    mtm wrote: »
    Well, the only thing we've heard is that they're somehow tariffs, and US tariffs are of course paid by the American consumer, so somehow this would presumably be passed onto the moviegoers; so the studio wouldn't necessarily be spending more, but they would be getting a much lower profit because people aren't going to pay twice the price. If they moved production to the US, without any financial incentives to make it better for them they would actually be spending more, and so again: reduced profit.
    So if you wanted to kill Hollywood, this is a really good way of doing it.
    Chinese cinema still doing well though.

    Americans hardly ever watch Chinese movies. It is the British industry that loses here.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 17,934
    Money is not a problem for Amazon i would think ?

    They already spent billions for MGM and the EON bond rights, MGM $8.45 billion/EON $1 billion........

    They're not going to make films just for charity's sake, they are a business. Disney have plenty of money too, but they still make Marvel and Star Wars films in the UK to save themselves money.
    mtm wrote: »
    Well, the only thing we've heard is that they're somehow tariffs, and US tariffs are of course paid by the American consumer, so somehow this would presumably be passed onto the moviegoers; so the studio wouldn't necessarily be spending more, but they would be getting a much lower profit because people aren't going to pay twice the price. If they moved production to the US, without any financial incentives to make it better for them they would actually be spending more, and so again: reduced profit.
    So if you wanted to kill Hollywood, this is a really good way of doing it.
    Chinese cinema still doing well though.

    Americans hardly ever watch Chinese movies. It is the British industry that loses here.

    I know that, I'm just pointing out that it's a great way to let China get even further ahead. Americans might be watching more Chinese movies soon if Hollywood gets more damaged.
  • Posts: 1,903
    mtm wrote: »
    Money is not a problem for Amazon i would think ?

    They already spent billions for MGM and the EON bond rights, MGM $8.45 billion/EON $1 billion........

    They're not going to make films just for charity's sake, they are a business. Disney have plenty of money too, but they still make Marvel and Star Wars films in the UK to save themselves money.
    mtm wrote: »
    Well, the only thing we've heard is that they're somehow tariffs, and US tariffs are of course paid by the American consumer, so somehow this would presumably be passed onto the moviegoers; so the studio wouldn't necessarily be spending more, but they would be getting a much lower profit because people aren't going to pay twice the price. If they moved production to the US, without any financial incentives to make it better for them they would actually be spending more, and so again: reduced profit.
    So if you wanted to kill Hollywood, this is a really good way of doing it.
    Chinese cinema still doing well though.

    Americans hardly ever watch Chinese movies. It is the British industry that loses here.

    I know that, I'm just pointing out that it's a great way to let China get even further ahead. Americans might be watching more Chinese movies soon if Hollywood gets more damaged.


    The Chinese are protectionists too. It's not going to happen.


    And seeing the success of Sinners, I think the American audience has its own tastes.
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    Posts: 2,677
    mtm wrote: »
    Money is not a problem for Amazon i would think ?

    They already spent billions for MGM and the EON bond rights, MGM $8.45 billion/EON $1 billion........

    They're not going to make films just for charity's sake, they are a business. Disney have plenty of money too, but they still make Marvel and Star Wars films in the UK to save themselves money.
    mtm wrote: »
    Well, the only thing we've heard is that they're somehow tariffs, and US tariffs are of course paid by the American consumer, so somehow this would presumably be passed onto the moviegoers; so the studio wouldn't necessarily be spending more, but they would be getting a much lower profit because people aren't going to pay twice the price. If they moved production to the US, without any financial incentives to make it better for them they would actually be spending more, and so again: reduced profit.
    So if you wanted to kill Hollywood, this is a really good way of doing it.
    Chinese cinema still doing well though.

    Americans hardly ever watch Chinese movies. It is the British industry that loses here.

    I know that, I'm just pointing out that it's a great way to let China get even further ahead. Americans might be watching more Chinese movies soon if Hollywood gets more damaged.

    Even if the next bond film cost $600 million they would still make a profit as after a cinema release they show the film on Amazon Prime Video weeks later.

    With the the new bond films being produced in the USA now maybe they don't have to pay a tariff ?
  • edited 11:56am Posts: 5,137
    I mean, I could be wrong but I assume at this point we simply don't know where the next Bond movie is being made, at least in terms of its studio necessities? Pascal and Heyman were said to be working on it in London though.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited 12:19pm Posts: 2,526
    I think even before the Trump thing, there was always that feeling that Amazon weren't going to rush Bond 26. James Bond...clearly isn't the same as Star Wars.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited 1:39pm Posts: 17,934
    mtm wrote: »
    Money is not a problem for Amazon i would think ?

    They already spent billions for MGM and the EON bond rights, MGM $8.45 billion/EON $1 billion........

    They're not going to make films just for charity's sake, they are a business. Disney have plenty of money too, but they still make Marvel and Star Wars films in the UK to save themselves money.
    mtm wrote: »
    Well, the only thing we've heard is that they're somehow tariffs, and US tariffs are of course paid by the American consumer, so somehow this would presumably be passed onto the moviegoers; so the studio wouldn't necessarily be spending more, but they would be getting a much lower profit because people aren't going to pay twice the price. If they moved production to the US, without any financial incentives to make it better for them they would actually be spending more, and so again: reduced profit.
    So if you wanted to kill Hollywood, this is a really good way of doing it.
    Chinese cinema still doing well though.

    Americans hardly ever watch Chinese movies. It is the British industry that loses here.

    I know that, I'm just pointing out that it's a great way to let China get even further ahead. Americans might be watching more Chinese movies soon if Hollywood gets more damaged.


    The Chinese are protectionists too. It's not going to happen.

    I don't even know what you're arguing now, but sure.
    mtm wrote: »
    Money is not a problem for Amazon i would think ?

    They already spent billions for MGM and the EON bond rights, MGM $8.45 billion/EON $1 billion........

    They're not going to make films just for charity's sake, they are a business. Disney have plenty of money too, but they still make Marvel and Star Wars films in the UK to save themselves money.
    mtm wrote: »
    Well, the only thing we've heard is that they're somehow tariffs, and US tariffs are of course paid by the American consumer, so somehow this would presumably be passed onto the moviegoers; so the studio wouldn't necessarily be spending more, but they would be getting a much lower profit because people aren't going to pay twice the price. If they moved production to the US, without any financial incentives to make it better for them they would actually be spending more, and so again: reduced profit.
    So if you wanted to kill Hollywood, this is a really good way of doing it.
    Chinese cinema still doing well though.

    Americans hardly ever watch Chinese movies. It is the British industry that loses here.

    I know that, I'm just pointing out that it's a great way to let China get even further ahead. Americans might be watching more Chinese movies soon if Hollywood gets more damaged.

    Even if the next bond film cost $600 million they would still make a profit as after a cinema release they show the film on Amazon Prime Video weeks later.

    They're not going to spend $600m on it. I'm not sure it's much of a profit strategy to put it on Prime a few weeks later either.
    007HallY wrote: »
    I mean, I could be wrong but I assume at this point we simply don't know where the next Bond movie is being made, at least in terms of its studio necessities? Pascal and Heyman were said to be working on it in London though.

    I have never made a movie myself(!) but I presume one of the earliest stages is probably to book in studio facilities..? It's possible they're playing wait-and-see (if they're fully on it yet) as Amazon do at least have some money behind them and there's possibly a way of claiming any delay against insurance, but hopefully nothing's being cancelled yet.
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