BOND 26. PTS ideas to introduce the new Bond.

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  • edited April 13 Posts: 3,274
    PTS:
    First stuff happening on various locations setting up a conflict, like LALD, TSWLM or MR
    followed by M's usual "Where's Bond?" to Moneypenny. Maybe a variation of "tell him to pull out."
    This is followed by a covert mission including several agents where they all wear masks so we don't see Bond's face at first. An action setpiece follows which ends with the lead - who turns out to be Bond - removing his mask. Face reveal. Then main titles.

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    CrabKey wrote: »
    If i introduced the next Bond, i'd show him in his office, having a drink, then he gets told to report, and leaves his office.

    I think that can work for a second or third film, but I'd like to see a riotous opener that is almost a mini adventure in itself. Doesn't even need to tie in with the rest of the film.
    It simply announces this is the new Bond and he's all business.

    I actually thought of having the PTS introduce Bond ala Golfinger in the shadows, not showing his face.
    Later on, we have a proper introduction to Bond in a casino scene ala Dr. No.

    Your note prompted my recollection that DN had no PTS, FRWL did and seemed to show Bond but did not, so GF was the FIRST PTS with Bond in it ! Not until the 3rd movie ! Might that have been on the minds of the producers when they go to R Moore ? He did not appear in the PTS for LALD, he seemed to apear in the PTS for TMWTGG but did not (a la FRWL), and Moore's first Bond PTS was in his 3rd Bond film !
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    Bring Bond back to humor, but not too much. There's no point in revisiting the emotional themes of Craig's Bond films. It's time for a tonal shift. Not all the way back the DAF/LALD and thereafter films. (Note I purposely go to Connery's last EON Bond rather than Moore's first, because the tonal shift in the Moore films actually started in DAF) So, for the PTS - though perhaps not for the first film, and perhaps even not for a PTS: Two men get matched at the golf course to play each other, one of whom is Bond. He starts to notice the other guy not only cheats, but wants to do something to Bond. Bond sees that the other guy plants something in Bond's bag, say a golf ball. Bond surreptitiously transfers it back to the other man's golf bag. Later on - perhaps on drive away, the other guy presses a button on a remote control and - I know, a la CR - the bomb meant for Bond explodes, in the other guy's vehicle. Hmmm, too much like early in the TB script ?
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Zekidk wrote: »
    PTS:
    First stuff happening on various locations setting up a conflict, like LALD, TSWLM or MR
    followed by M's usual "Where's Bond?" to Moneypenny. Maybe a variation of "tell him to pull out."
    This is followed by a covert mission including several agents where they all wear masks so we don't see Bond's face at first. An action setpiece follows which ends with the lead - who turns out to be Bond - removing his mask. Face reveal. Then main titles.

    I like this idea @Zekidk , has echoes of the TLD pts, where we're not sure who the new Bond is for a while.
    I also like the concept of Bond working with a team of agents, but in time of need, he stands out and risks it all to stop the danger. A truly Bondian thing too do, obviously with the Bond theme blaring triumphantly as he does so. ;)
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    How about a PTS that doesn't recall something we've seen previously. New should mean new, not recycled.
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    New idea. The PTS this time longer than the movie. Come back from credits just for the last-minute-threat bit. 7 minutes for that tops.
  • TheSkyfallen06TheSkyfallen06 Buenos Aires, Argentina.
    edited July 1 Posts: 1,080
    It's not exactly an introduction to a new Bond in its first installment, but I do think it would work for a second or third.
    Say, pull a literary TMWTGG, altough with a few tweaks:
    Bond walks slowly towards M's office, he enters where Moneypenny is, ignores her, simply enters M's office and shoots him at point-blank range.
    Suddenly, a gun is pointed at his head, it's Bond, M's killer was an imposter. Both have a short confrontation, with the real James emerging victorious, he questions the impostor and before he could answer, he commits suicide by injecting himself with poison.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    Would only have any dramatic effect with an established Bond and M., so maybe not for B26. And a little too DAD VR-sequence for me. Unbelievable, even with the twist.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I always thought it would make quite a fun short story: follow Bond in his life at MI6 for a bit, really go overboard on all the scrambled eggs, hot/cold shower, three rings cigarettes, black comma of hair stuff, but have Bond suspect something is wrong at MI6 from the way everyone is treating him. But by the end we find out he’s really a Russian imposter who’s lost track of his mind a bit and got lost in the details of being Bond.
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    mtm wrote: »
    I always thought it would make quite a fun short story: follow Bond in his life at MI6 for a bit, really go overboard on all the scrambled eggs, hot/cold shower, three rings cigarettes, black comma of hair stuff, but have Bond suspect something is wrong at MI6 from the way everyone is treating him. But by the end we find out he’s really a Russian imposter who’s lost track of his mind a bit and got lost in the details of being Bond.

    Nice !
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    I was thinking of a straightforward opening. Perhaps in the canteen at MI6, with Bond stepping forward to introduce himself. Since new Bonds now routinely get trashed for months and months, he could start by saying, "I tell ya, I get no respect !"
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    mtm wrote: »
    I always thought it would make quite a fun short story: follow Bond in his life at MI6 for a bit, really go overboard on all the scrambled eggs, hot/cold shower, three rings cigarettes, black comma of hair stuff, but have Bond suspect something is wrong at MI6 from the way everyone is treating him. But by the end we find out he’s really a Russian imposter who’s lost track of his mind a bit and got lost in the details of being Bond.

    Very fun. Curious if you already have the solution sorted as to how they identify the real Bond over the fake?

    Maybe that's where "skyfall" comes back in. Someone takes fake Bond to real Bond's otherwise secret childhood home and that's where it all unravels.
  • edited July 1 Posts: 1,907
    A man and woman trapped in a warehouse or compound. In the background is a flash car. We see a countdown clock. Zero. Sudden inferno of flames. Clearly the two couldn't have survived. Yet through the flames roars the car. The woman turns to the man. Who did you say are? He smiles. He doesn't have to say it. Cue Bond theme that segues into the title track. (A slight wink at the explosive ending of NTTD).
  • SimonSimon Keeping The British End Up...
    edited July 1 Posts: 154
    I'd be happy to go off piste for the next PTS. Super short. My mind can only race to cheesey or cliche, but something along the lines of: a lone figure in a chair, viewed from behind. Table next to him, with a mobile phone and a martini. Phone rings, Moneypenny/Tanner voice just asks Bond to report in. Phone down, figure stands up, downs the martini, buttons jacket and walks to the door. Dont see the face, dont hear a voice. Just cut to the titles and an uplifting banger of a song.

    The actor is going to have all the press in the world get him full newspaper coverage, magazine stories, books, films, TV, radio, he'll be on the air 24 hours a day. The new guy doesnt need a reveal, but an introduction, and I think the longer the movie can take to do that the better, not try and make a statement from minute-one just because Bond films need to have a PTS.

    Also, I have a fear that the PTS is going to somehow try and justify how there is a new Bond, when the last time we saw Bond he got turned into a fine mist. Maybe explicit, maybe a wink-wink-nudge-nudge moment, but I just dont want them to do it, even if I do despise the end of NTTD.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited July 2 Posts: 3,138
    Simon wrote: »
    Also, I have a fear that the PTS is going to somehow try and justify how there is a new Bond, when the last time we saw Bond he got turned into a fine mist. Maybe explicit, maybe a wink-wink-nudge-nudge moment
    Yeah, there's an escape from a building, a shootout, some rappelling and some excessive pyro. A bloke in tactical gear walks out of the explosion, unscathed. He takes off the balaclava. It's Sope Dirisu. Breaks the fourth wall: 'You were expecting someone else?' Etc.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    Venutius wrote: »
    Simon wrote: »
    Also, I have a fear that the PTS is going to somehow try and justify how there is a new Bond, when the last time we saw Bond he got turned into a fine mist. Maybe explicit, maybe a wink-wink-nudge-nudge moment, but I just dont want them to do it, even if I do despise the end of NTTD.
    Yeah, there's an escape from a building, a shootout, some rappelling and some excessive pyro. A bloke in tactical gear walks out of the explosion, unscathed and takes off the balaclava. It's Sope Dirisu. Breaks the fourth wall: 'You were expecting someone else?' Etc.

    I vote the opposite. PTS is short but opens with the MI6 crew scrambling about, we get the basic threat laid out to us, the stakes are raised, prime minister picks up a red handle phone and calls M. "I know just the man." Then we do a classic briefing with Q. establishing the first beautiful locale, to meet with a CIA liaison, with Moneypenny caught snooping in. Bond leaves by blowing her a kiss and a wink. The round exhaust pipe of a new Aston Martin blows smoke into the camera, transitioning into the titles.
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    I'd like to see a short, small mission-esque PTS, much like Goldfinger, or Octopussy. Have a small reveal for the new Bond, nothing major, him emerging out of the shadows, for example. Have him infiltrate, say a weapons cache, plant some explosives, but is caught on the way out. Chase ensues with them moving to vehicles for a short and sweet chase, nice big explosion as the weapons cache blows up, cool stuntwork (an extended Boat chase maybe) with the heavies, and ends with Bond on the boat, having dispatched the baddies, makes a quip, go to a nice landscape shot, and into the titles. Throw the new actor into it. Have it be them on their own. Using their wits and skill to escape.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Mallory wrote: »
    I'd like to see a short, small mission-esque PTS, much like Goldfinger, or Octopussy. Have a small reveal for the new Bond, nothing major, him emerging out of the shadows, for example. Have him infiltrate, say a weapons cache, plant some explosives, but is caught on the way out.
    My favourite Bond comic Solstice has a similar 'PTS': short and stealthy. Bond is mostly in the shadows taking down guards, then plants some explosives around a safe but the alarm goes off, followed by a reveal of Bond's face in reaction to the siren. A brief chase and some AK-47 fire before Q's flash-flare gadget malfunctions, allowing a transition from bright yellow fade into the titles.
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    QBranch wrote: »
    Mallory wrote: »
    I'd like to see a short, small mission-esque PTS, much like Goldfinger, or Octopussy. Have a small reveal for the new Bond, nothing major, him emerging out of the shadows, for example. Have him infiltrate, say a weapons cache, plant some explosives, but is caught on the way out.
    My favourite Bond comic Solstice has a similar 'PTS': short and stealthy. Bond is mostly in the shadows taking down guards, then plants some explosives around a safe but the alarm goes off, followed by a reveal of Bond's face in reaction to the siren. A brief chase and some AK-47 fire before Q's flash-flare gadget malfunctions, allowing a transition from bright yellow fade into the titles.

    I have never read that, but it sounds like a good idea :)>-
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    I'd like a short PTS this time round, as much as I really enjoyed NTTD's it felt like it wasn't going to end.

    It'd be nice to have a quick paced action sequence that puts the new Bond through his paces and shows his capabilities to the audience
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I'd like a short PTS this time round, as much as I really enjoyed NTTD's it felt like it wasn't going to end.

    It'd be nice to have a quick paced action sequence that puts the new Bond through his paces and shows his capabilities to the audience

    Fast and deadly like a bullet, with a dose of class (I love what they packed into TLD’s PTS,).
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    In a lot of ways, TND's opening titles sequence would be a great blueprint for the next Bond film. It introduces the support team first, then the villains, then the threat, the ticking clock, Bond turning up half way, smooth as silk, quipping and fighting his way through the action, with an epic blast of the Bond theme.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    I have a total fascination with that TND opening - not just the fist-pumping action, but the way the military set is laid out around the runway, and the path Brosnan takes to get from point A to B. It's all far more simplistic and linear than it looks on screen, but the cutting back to comms and runaway missile adds a lot more. It also provides are rare glimpse of Bond's co-workers witnessing his unparalleled skills and quick thinking in the field. Oh, and the gadgets are so much fun!
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    peter wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I'd like a short PTS this time round, as much as I really enjoyed NTTD's it felt like it wasn't going to end.

    It'd be nice to have a quick paced action sequence that puts the new Bond through his paces and shows his capabilities to the audience

    Fast and deadly like a bullet, with a dose of class (I love what they packed into TLD’s PTS,).

    Yeah exactly mate. To me TLD, GE and Casino are fantastic at not only setting up the new Bond, but the world his films are going to live in
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    Jordo007 wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I'd like a short PTS this time round, as much as I really enjoyed NTTD's it felt like it wasn't going to end.

    It'd be nice to have a quick paced action sequence that puts the new Bond through his paces and shows his capabilities to the audience

    Fast and deadly like a bullet, with a dose of class (I love what they packed into TLD’s PTS,).

    Yeah exactly mate. To me TLD, GE and Casino are fantastic at not only setting up the new Bond, but the world his films are going to live in

    It’s incredible that the last three Bond actor’s introductions have been nailed each time. In quite different ways too that tells the viewer so much about their Bonds.
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    However the next Bond is introduced, some viewers will be confused. Some won't know. Some won't care. And there will be those who will argue that there are different timelines and different Bonds and that you can't connect the dots between each series. But the specter of Bond being blown to bits in the previous film will hang over the next.

    For me as a reader of the novels and a fan of the films, I never wanted to know how Bond died. Yet P&W took it upon themselves to do what Fleming didn't--kill his hero.
    Dr. No was published 11 months after FRWL, which suggests Fleming wasn't terribly committed to ending Bond.

    Going forward, I would love to see a new team of writers/
  • TheSkyfallen06TheSkyfallen06 Buenos Aires, Argentina.
    edited July 2 Posts: 1,080
    CrabKey wrote: »
    However the next Bond is introduced, some viewers will be confused. Some won't know. Some won't care. And there will be those who will argue that there are different timelines and different Bonds and that you can't connect the dots between each series. But the specter of Bond being blown to bits in the previous film will hang over the next.

    We see a shadowy man sitting in an office, he is handed a confidential file. The camera turns to the person who handed it to him, it's M, who says:
    "From this moment onwards Mr. Roberts, wheter you like it or not, your name is Bond and only Bond... James Bond. Oh, and by the way... please, last longer than your predecessor..."
    "Bond" nods at him and gets up, leaving the office and closing the door behind him. Cue the credits.
    THE NAME OF THE CODE
  • CrabKey wrote: »
    However the next Bond is introduced, some viewers will be confused. Some won't know. Some won't care. And there will be those who will argue that there are different timelines and different Bonds and that you can't connect the dots between each series. But the specter of Bond being blown to bits in the previous film will hang over the next.

    We see a shadowy man sitting in an office, he is handed a confidential file. The camera turns to the person who handed it to him, it's M, who says:
    "From this moment onwards Mr. Roberts, wheter you like it or not, your name is Bond and only Bond... James Bond. Oh, and by the way... please, last longer than your predecessor..."
    "Bond" nods at him and gets up, leaving the office and closing the door behind him. Cue the credits.
    THE NAME OF THE CODE

    I do think this place would erupt if they did anything like that. I would too to be honest
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    edited July 2 Posts: 1,630
    CrabKey wrote: »
    However the next Bond is introduced, some viewers will be confused. Some won't know. Some won't care. And there will be those who will argue that there are different timelines and different Bonds and that you can't connect the dots between each series. But the specter of Bond being blown to bits in the previous film will hang over the next.

    We see a shadowy man sitting in an office, he is handed a confidential file. The camera turns to the person who handed it to him, it's M, who says:
    "From this moment onwards Mr. Roberts, wheter you like it or not, your name is Bond and only Bond... James Bond. Oh, and by the way... please, last longer than your predecessor..."
    "Bond" nods at him and gets up, leaving the office and closing the door behind him. Cue the credits.
    THE NAME OF THE CODE

    I do think this place would erupt if they did anything like that. I would too to be honest

    Are you serious? I can not do this type of discussion again. Bond is not a code name. It's an interpretation of a character each film. Like Sherlock Holmes or Harry Potter or Macbeth or whatever other stage production you want to argue. But it's not, never has been, never will be a code name. 007 is the coded reference. We've seen official records etc. in various films, and Ian Fleming never wrote nor intended what you wish. It's not even a fun idea. It's to explain why Bond looks different to people who can't use their imagination.

    You would retroactively nullify Skyfall and No Time To Die and probably Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace. It's an annoying proposal and makes more mess than sense.
  • edited July 2 Posts: 250
    I mean erupt in a negative sense, as in spewing hot violence to the filmmakers. No one could fool themselves into thinking the majority of this forum support the codename theory
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