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The whole movie was built for that scene.
Barbie cost less than $150 million and was a waay bigger event than SP and NTTD. Same goes for Oppenheiemer and it cost even less than Barbie. My point: a Bond movie that is a smaller production still can be a huge event.
Be careful now, I've advocated for smaller budgets in the past and gotten eviscerated over it through one-sided arguments. I do agree with you though, and while your two examples aren't necessarily akin to a release like Bond, it did show that audiences are willing to show up still and you don't have to sink unfathomable amounts of money into a production to make a nice return.
Smaller budgets invite creativity. I am all for them. A 200 million dollars production cost is outrageous.
Those movies were made on less money because they weren't expecting to make a billion, or even 600 million. EON is approaching each bond film like it will be a global event.
I might be, but each of the last 4 Bond films have cost at least that much.
And that $200 million average for bigger budget flicks has slowly become $300 million. I accept that most of those were due to costlier productions thanks to the pandemic but it seems more and more commonplace of late still.
I think ultimately though it depends on the Bond adventure they want to make. I’m sure doing stuff efficiently takes priority, and you don’t want to skimp out on certain costs (stunt work being a major one). And of course another side to this is we don’t want a situation where the budgets become frozen as they did in the 80s. But EON are definitely capable of doing something great with 200 million.
I sent you a PM to apologise for unwittingly upsetting you at the time, I don't know if you got it. I just wanted to talk about the suggestion as I thought it was an interesting subject, there was no hostility intended. I always just wanted to talk.
But then, does every Bond film need to be big?
Gunn’s new SM film is rumoured to be $360 million (he’s tried to deny this, but the tax credits they receive are a % of the total budget, and someone smarter than me did the math. Yes, it’s in the $360 million range).
Saying that, the new Bond will be quite a bit cheaper in his debut film, so there are savings to be had. And there IS an idea in film that cut the budget and force the creatives to be, well, more creative in how they spend their tighter budget, is a thing that is often tried (sometimes to great outcomes. But it usually only lasts one film, before the producers want and need to outperform the last film. How’d they do that? With mega-dollars).
And, @Creasy47 , I can vouch for @mtm as not wanting to insult you on this topic. He and I have had a back n forth on this before , and it’s a subject he’s curious and interested about. Just passively poking my nose into this, as sometimes I think messaging gets lost in text form (he’s a smart person and we’ve had a few private discussions… I have to credit him for giving me a new perspective on Roger Moore (who I’ve always enjoyed, but without respecting that Moore did bring some nuance to his performances as 007. Mtm really convinced me that I was short sighted (the bias of having a massive Connery fan in my father, 😂)…
Anyways, back on topic!
See, I do feel this exact same way. They could spend $1 billion on the next one if they want, I couldn't care less.
Purely from the perspective of a lifelong fan who wants to keep receiving these installments, then do I wish they'd strip it back. Of course there are other reasons why it might pan out well, for my own selfish desires - we get something tighter, something single locale focused, more of a spy thriller than a big budget action fest, etc. - but I know these films, all films, are a business at the end of the day, and you're likely going to find way more success by cutting your budget 20-50%.
It's another reason I've advocated for shorter runtimes. The last few have had some bloat, no question about it, but I know smaller runtimes = more showtimes per day, which = higher box office results if the audience is there.
Much like the budget perspective though, they can make the next installment four and a half hours long for all I care; if it's good and nearly every minute is worthy of inclusion, then as a fan of 007, I'm more than happy.
Yeah that would be my choice too every time. That's not to say every longer and pricier installment is somehow worse, but I think there's a lot of positivity that can come out of spending less and having a shorter runtime too.
I think it really depends on the film at the end of the day. Budget's one of those things that depends on what they're trying to do (unless something goes wrong that is).
Wiki seems unsure with a $102-150 million, but regardless, that's still very impressive.
And presumably that's in 2005 numbers, so adjusted for inflation it'll be more today. I don't exactly know what the number is though.
Yes, I thought it was 150 million.
The breadcrumbs really do point to DV directing Bond 26 at the moment. We should be lucky to get such a visionary director - and I think concerns about his slow-burn sci-fi epics are misplaced - he can pick up the pace when needed! He has long been my second choice to Campbell.
That being said, DV's repeating DoP partner is Roger Deakins, who has admitted that Bond isn't his cup of tea. But I do wonder if he'd come back for a DV Bond film?
Omitting inflatable Kananga would have improved the script 100%.
Let's say I'd be happily disappointed by just about anything.
At least it’s speculation based on the topic of the thread, 😂!