Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • edited November 2023 Posts: 1,708
    Bernie99 wrote: »
    Not sure if this even posted yet, but it's very cool


    Great to see that Ian Fleming's other secret agent, Napoleon Solo in "The Man from U.N.C.L.E.", compares well to 007. Personally I would be fine if there was a sequel to U.N.C.L.E. before Bond 26 gets off the ground.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited November 2023 Posts: 5,985
    peter wrote: »
    I don’t know how many times the producers will have to say they aren’t developing the next Bond film for people to believe them. I take it at face value , they aren’t working on it in any capacity, right now .

    I think there's a truth that lies between zero is happening on B26, and ATJ is Bond, was auditioned, shot the gun barrel and Nolan will be directing him in a two picture deal, which will be period pieces.

    The truth is closer to nothing is happening, only for me to be told, "not much is happening", but the powers that be are talking and hammering out something (I'd assume a direction).

    That's why I think that whatever movement was happening before the strikes, has u-turned back to square one.

    And I do believe that one of the reasons why there was a U-turn or a "pause", is partly because (I can't believe I am writing this, lol), of what @Mendes4Lyfe commented on today: EoN, like any company, does look at box office trends to assess what global audiences may want to see in an action-thriller.

    But right now, this industry walked out of a three year global pandemic into two straight strikes (one still to be resolved (I'm hoping by the end of the weekend, or early in the week)), and there are no real proper trends for EoN to measure themselves up to in the action-thriller genre right now.

    This is no time for EoN just to make any old James Bond flick. They need a firm understanding over which direction they move in to better assure, not just a "hit" film, but to launch an entirely new era.

    Once again, The Bond Experience did an excellent video breaking down what goes into these films (I'd just add these same elements, to one degree or another, go into all film projects), and everyone should also heed David's advice....

    This makes a lot of sense. I don't know what the trends are right now. Hollywood seems a bit lost post-Covid, and throwing the strikes on top of it, we are in an era of uncertainty.

    If I had to guess, I'd say we are going to see a much younger Bond, like a "year 1" deal, and probably an established younger actor to give Eon some comfort that the actor can handle the international pressure of the franchise (no Lazenbys this time around). Perhaps that points toward someone like Paul Mescal or Tom Holland...I don't know.

    I also think they will look at CR as a template, so lots of Fleming.

    Eon has a daunting task ahead both in terms of direction and replacing Craig.
  • CharmianBondCharmianBond Pett Bottom, Kent
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    I will say this, even as someone who thinks Safin was an acceptable villain, but I think the old adage holds a hero as only good as the villain he's up again. If anything the casting of Mikkelsen (and indeed Green) was as important as Craig. It's no wonder EON are taking their time.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    I will say this, even as someone who thinks Safin was an acceptable villain, but I think the old adage holds a hero as only good as the villain he's up again. If anything the casting of Mikkelsen (and indeed Green) was as important as Craig. It's no wonder EON are taking their time.

    There’s a lot of spinning plates to control to successfully launch a successful new era.

    @CrabKey , I’d recommend you watch the Bond Experience video he posted about the “pause” in 26. It may give you a little more insight into “reinvention”.
  • I will say this, even as someone who thinks Safin was an acceptable villain, but I think the old adage holds a hero as only good as the villain he's up again. If anything the casting of Mikkelsen (and indeed Green) was as important as Craig. It's no wonder EON are taking their time.

    I agree. There’s more on the line than just getting a new Bond; we need new villains, a new Bond girl, and a new set of MI6 regulars.
  • edited November 2023 Posts: 487
    echo wrote: »
    Eon has a daunting task ahead both in terms of direction and replacing Craig.

    EON's job has never been this easy. They just need to hire Nolan and he will take care of nearly everything and deliver a top 5 Bond film. I am not even trolling, I genuinely believe this. I mean, if anyone thinks Nolan doesn't have an idea that's likely better than anything EON can come up with now in 2023, please raise your hand!
  • RoadphillRoadphill United Kingdom
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    CrabKey wrote: »
    @Roadphill - As the first Bond, Connery didn't have a previous actor to build his character from. (I don't count Jimmy Bond.) As for meat, I don't think his scripts were lightweight. Like the character, the scripts evolved, sometimes good and sometimes not. Was Connery's Bond Craig's Bond? No. Craig got bigger set pieces and portrayed an emotionally different Bond, but not necessarily a better or more interesting Bond. For me Connery is the most effortless Bond. He simply wears the character well. Sometimes I think his performances can be disarming, because he makes what he is doing look so natural and so easy. He does more with his eyes and facial expressions than any of his successors. Which Bond will audiences compare the next actor to?

    Not a knock on Connery, he is, and always will be the benchmark for Bond. I can't really recall anything overly thoughtful or weighty in any of the scripts he was given, though. Dalton yes. Craig, yes. Lazenby yes. Even Brosnan is forced to execute a woman he has feelings for. I think they generally kept Sean and Roger all business.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Sorry, @Colonel_Venus … he hasn’t delivered a good thriller since 2008.

    Tenet was brutal, both in story and in pacing.

    Oppenheimer was a three hour bio-historical pic.

    But a straight up action-thriller? I don’t think his creative powers exist in this realm anymore.

    Saying that, I know you’re not trolling and believe him to be the best choice.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Inception is still pretty great, I find. But that was 2010, so that's still a long time ago.
  • RoadphillRoadphill United Kingdom
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    I was absolutely dead against the (admittedly just a rumour) concept of the Nolan-60's set Bond. I've always been of the thought that any Bond film should be if not "Five minutes into the future" then at least of the present day.

    The more I think about it though, the more it makes sense. I think the type of Alpha Male sensibility that Bond needs as a character to work, is inviting derision, or will increasingly written off as toxic masculinity in 2023 and beyond. By setting it in the 60's, EON can brush off any criticism of that nature, by having it as being part of that period. Also we can get some good old fashioned Cold War shenanigans. Not to mention a villains lair that couldn't be spotted in two minutes on Google Earth.
  • The more I think about it, the less I find myself enthusiastic about Nolan potentially directing Bond. Mainly because the Craig era had borrowed enough elements from TDK Trilogy, and I don’t think Nolan would be able to give us something that’s stylistically different than what we’ve just had with Craig.
  • Roadphill wrote: »
    The more I think about it though, the more it makes sense. I think the type of Alpha Male sensibility that Bond needs as a character to work, is inviting derision, or will increasingly written off as toxic masculinity in 2023 and beyond. By setting it in the 60's, EON can brush off any criticism of that nature, by having it as being part of that period.

    I don’t think a period piece would save them from that criticism though, because it’d still be a 12A rated blockbuster released in 2020whatever, and critics, distributors and the audience would still hold it to those standards. So, Bond wouldn’t be doing anything he couldn’t get away with in a modern film. That’s part of the reason I don’t want a period piece, I think it’d run the risk of feeling inauthentic compared to the actual 60s Bond films.

    I don’t think we’re at that point yet anyway, where Bond is just too old school to work as the hero of a modern blockbuster. I think he’s still recognisably Bond, even with how they’ve modernised things, and the films are still doing well. But if we ever do end up there, I don’t think going period would be a solution to that problem. Imo, the only way to save the series at that point would be to up the age rating and accept it having a more limited appeal, compete with the likes of John Wick rather than the likes of Marvel.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Bernie99 wrote: »
    Not sure if this even posted yet, but it's very cool


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  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    We aren't going to see Bond 26 before 2027 at the earliest, my impression is that they will probably do a lower budget from russia with love type story in the modern day with a tight script and lesser known cast, and begin building the franchise back up from there. Its never an easy transition when an actor hangs up the walther, and especially this time with all the turbulence lately. I could see the next director being a alfonso cuaron type, with EON taking the budget back to Casino Royale and getting the audience invested from the ground level again.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I wouldn’t hold TENET against him. Not every filmmaker has a perfect record. Even lightning didn’t strike twice for Mendes.
  • Posts: 1,708
    Roadphill wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    @Roadphill - As the first Bond, Connery didn't have a previous actor to build his character from. (I don't count Jimmy Bond.) As for meat, I don't think his scripts were lightweight. Like the character, the scripts evolved, sometimes good and sometimes not. Was Connery's Bond Craig's Bond? No. Craig got bigger set pieces and portrayed an emotionally different Bond, but not necessarily a better or more interesting Bond. For me Connery is the most effortless Bond. He simply wears the character well. Sometimes I think his performances can be disarming, because he makes what he is doing look so natural and so easy. He does more with his eyes and facial expressions than any of his successors. Which Bond will audiences compare the next actor to?

    Not a knock on Connery, he is, and always will be the benchmark for Bond. I can't really recall anything overly thoughtful or weighty in any of the scripts he was given, though. Dalton yes. Craig, yes. Lazenby yes. Even Brosnan is forced to execute a woman he has feelings for. I think they generally kept Sean and Roger all business.

    I have to agree with CrabKey on this one.
  • Agent0099Agent0099 Milford, Michigan
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    The more I think about it, the less I find myself enthusiastic about Nolan potentially directing Bond. Mainly because the Craig era had borrowed enough elements from TDK Trilogy, and I don’t think Nolan would be able to give us something that’s stylistically different than what we’ve just had with Craig.

    I absolutely agree, The Craig era definitely had alot of Nolanisms and for the next era to completely different from Craig then we need a completely different type of director and actor and I really don't think Nolan is the right man to reinvent bond.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    delfloria wrote: »
    Perhaps 2023 and beyond audiences need to see how an Alpha Male with intelligence, sophistication, skill and confidence is needed to solve problems.
    Sope steps into M's office...
  • Posts: 1,965
    been 2 years since NTTD came out and still nothing on Bond 26
  • Posts: 511
    peter wrote: »
    Sorry, @Colonel_Venus … he hasn’t delivered a good thriller since 2008.

    Tenet was brutal, both in story and in pacing.

    Oppenheimer was a three hour bio-historical pic.

    But a straight up action-thriller? I don’t think his creative powers exist in this realm anymore.

    Saying that, I know you’re not trolling and believe him to be the best choice.

    I'm not a Nolan diehard for 26, but to be fair nothing in Mendes's filmography (except arguably "Road to Perdition") indicated he could do something like "Skyfall" — bulk of his films were melodramas.
  • edited November 2023 Posts: 252
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    been 2 years since NTTD came out and still nothing on Bond 26

    And 4 years of finishing shooting NTTD...
    But it's ok, Barbara, Michael and Gregg need a break, because the development on NTTD was so exhausted...

    I miss Cubby

    We need Nolan, then we can expect Bond 26 in 2025-2026, without Nolan we can wait 4 years from now
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited November 2023 Posts: 23,562
    Bernie99 wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    been 2 years since NTTD came out and still nothing on Bond 26

    And 4 years of finishing shooting NTTD...
    But it's ok, Barbara, Michael and Gregg need a break, because the development on NTTD was so exhausted...

    I miss Cubby

    We need Nolan, then we can expect Bond 26 in 2025-2026, without Nolan we can wait 4 years from now

    I wouldn't mind Nolan but this binary thinking -- it's Nolan or nothing -- is getting out of hand. The man is a talented filmmaker but he's not the only Messiah who can whip the series back into shape. All these numbers ("another x years for sure") are being pulled out of thin air. Let's just calm down and see what happens; it's out of our control anyway. One day, some day, B26 will land. Or not.

    Meanwhile, we have 25 perfectly good movies to enjoy -- or at least watch. Very few film series can say that.
  • Posts: 2,954
    BMB007 wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    Sorry, @Colonel_Venus … he hasn’t delivered a good thriller since 2008.

    Tenet was brutal, both in story and in pacing.

    Oppenheimer was a three hour bio-historical pic.

    But a straight up action-thriller? I don’t think his creative powers exist in this realm anymore.

    Saying that, I know you’re not trolling and believe him to be the best choice.

    I'm not a Nolan diehard for 26, but to be fair nothing in Mendes's filmography (except arguably "Road to Perdition") indicated he could do something like "Skyfall" — bulk of his films were melodramas.

    Kind of. I mean, SF is a bit more low key and drama heavy as a Bond film. Mendes had done Road to Perdition and Jarhead which I guess you can argue gave a good hint at what he’d do and involved more action than some of his other films.

    And honesty, Tenet was a drag. I still don’t fully know what’s actually happening during the climax of that film.
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  • DarthDimi wrote: »
    Bernie99 wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    been 2 years since NTTD came out and still nothing on Bond 26

    And 4 years of finishing shooting NTTD...
    But it's ok, Barbara, Michael and Gregg need a break, because the development on NTTD was so exhausted...

    I miss Cubby

    We need Nolan, then we can expect Bond 26 in 2025-2026, without Nolan we can wait 4 years from now

    I wouldn't mind Nolan but this binary thinking -- it's Nolan or nothing -- is getting out of hand. The man is a talented filmmaker but he's not the only Messiah who can whip the series back into shape. All these numbers ("another x years for sure") are being pulled out of thin air. Let's just calm down and see what happens; it's out of our control anyway. One day, some day, B26 will land. Or not.

    Meanwhile, we have 25 perfectly good movies to enjoy -- or at least watch. Very few film series can say that.

    It's Nolan or the end of the world ;)

    The risk is real.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Bernie99 wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    been 2 years since NTTD came out and still nothing on Bond 26

    And 4 years of finishing shooting NTTD...
    But it's ok, Barbara, Michael and Gregg need a break, because the development on NTTD was so exhausted...

    I miss Cubby

    We need Nolan, then we can expect Bond 26 in 2025-2026, without Nolan we can wait 4 years from now
    All these numbers ("another x years for sure") are being pulled out of thin air. Let's just calm down and see what happens; it's out of our control anyway. One day, some day, B26 will land. Or not.

    The only information we have to go off are Babs and Gregg's own statements, and by their words there's no active development and its going to be a "long road ahead" before they begin production. Anyone is entitled to doubt their words if they so wish, and suspect more is really happening behind the scenes, but for the moment their word is still the most concrete thing we have to go off. If they are telling the honest truth then Bond 26 is realistically at least another 4 years away.
  • Posts: 1,965
    Bernie99 wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    been 2 years since NTTD came out and still nothing on Bond 26

    And 4 years of finishing shooting NTTD...
    But it's ok, Barbara, Michael and Gregg need a break, because the development on NTTD was so exhausted...

    I miss Cubby

    We need Nolan, then we can expect Bond 26 in 2025-2026, without Nolan we can wait 4 years from now

    Cubby would never let so many years go by without Bond films.
  • Posts: 511
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Bernie99 wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    been 2 years since NTTD came out and still nothing on Bond 26

    And 4 years of finishing shooting NTTD...
    But it's ok, Barbara, Michael and Gregg need a break, because the development on NTTD was so exhausted...

    I miss Cubby

    We need Nolan, then we can expect Bond 26 in 2025-2026, without Nolan we can wait 4 years from now

    Cubby would never let so many years go by without Bond films.

    1989-1995
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,025
    BMB007 wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Bernie99 wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    been 2 years since NTTD came out and still nothing on Bond 26

    And 4 years of finishing shooting NTTD...
    But it's ok, Barbara, Michael and Gregg need a break, because the development on NTTD was so exhausted...

    I miss Cubby

    We need Nolan, then we can expect Bond 26 in 2025-2026, without Nolan we can wait 4 years from now

    Cubby would never let so many years go by without Bond films.

    1989-1995

    “Why does Cubby hate Bond so much?!”
  • Posts: 1,965
    BMB007 wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Bernie99 wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    been 2 years since NTTD came out and still nothing on Bond 26

    And 4 years of finishing shooting NTTD...
    But it's ok, Barbara, Michael and Gregg need a break, because the development on NTTD was so exhausted...

    I miss Cubby

    We need Nolan, then we can expect Bond 26 in 2025-2026, without Nolan we can wait 4 years from now

    Cubby would never let so many years go by without Bond films.

    1989-1995

    And he did everything in his power to make a film come out during the time. Hell he even had a script ready to go. Dont see anything like that happening now.
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