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  • DewiWynBondDewiWynBond
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    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    If you're using AI to streamline research, that's fair as doing research sucks a lot. But as this is a forum of opinions, I feel as though it's appropriate to share mine; if a single line of AI written material ends up in a finished product, that's a really shitty thing to do.

    If you think for five seconds about where AI generated content comes from, written or visual art or otherwise, it's plaigarism at best.

    It's fine mate, it's a good tool for getting your 1st draft down and then in the rewrites you make it your own. Obviously the human provided the story and the AI collaborates.

  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Whatever you say.
  • DewiWynBondDewiWynBond
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    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    Whatever you say.

    I understand your opinion but it feels like your accusing me of something I haven't done yet. I'm happy to be creative and working on my story. It's just zombie sci-fi.

    For Bond: A.I. can be a good concept for a movie! Bond outsmarts it with a gadget or has a human advantage in something to defeat it.
  • delfloriadelfloria
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    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    For me post 2012 has been like a long autumn, and I hope 2021 - 2025 is the winter while the backstage shuffling takes place and then they can bounce back with something vibrant and fresh in 2026 that carries the series forward. There's only been 2 films in the past decade, so if the next film is a dudd, I think that would be really bad for the franchise longterm. They have to bring out their A game, because that's what the other franchise are doing and I don't want bond to get overshadowed.

    Christopher Nolan has basically admitted to being a Bond fanboy his whole career, and he's just dying to "reinvent" bond from the ground up. I think its safe to say that he would be interested in pitching EON his idea. If they like what he has, and decide he can do the series justice, then by all means give him 300 million to create his epic. He's not my first choice, but most importantly the series needs a safe pair of hands, and once Nolan has showcased his OPPENHIEMER film, which people are already raving over, then I think he's gonna be interested in flexing his genre cinema muscles once again. It does seem like a good fit after all these years, and it seems like the scheduling is lining up perfectly for Bond to be his next project. I wouldn't say it is an outstanding choice, but there are lots of worse options I could name, and like I said he is clearly a very passionate lifelong fan of Bond, and being considered one of the best big budget filmmakers of his generation, it would seem like a fitting partnership.

    Nolan makes cold and detached big budget films. Just compare the energy of the ski sequences in OHMSS to the ones in in Inception. He may be a fan but that does not make him a great fit for directing Bond.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    delfloria wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    For me post 2012 has been like a long autumn, and I hope 2021 - 2025 is the winter while the backstage shuffling takes place and then they can bounce back with something vibrant and fresh in 2026 that carries the series forward. There's only been 2 films in the past decade, so if the next film is a dudd, I think that would be really bad for the franchise longterm. They have to bring out their A game, because that's what the other franchise are doing and I don't want bond to get overshadowed.

    Christopher Nolan has basically admitted to being a Bond fanboy his whole career, and he's just dying to "reinvent" bond from the ground up. I think its safe to say that he would be interested in pitching EON his idea. If they like what he has, and decide he can do the series justice, then by all means give him 300 million to create his epic. He's not my first choice, but most importantly the series needs a safe pair of hands, and once Nolan has showcased his OPPENHIEMER film, which people are already raving over, then I think he's gonna be interested in flexing his genre cinema muscles once again. It does seem like a good fit after all these years, and it seems like the scheduling is lining up perfectly for Bond to be his next project. I wouldn't say it is an outstanding choice, but there are lots of worse options I could name, and like I said he is clearly a very passionate lifelong fan of Bond, and being considered one of the best big budget filmmakers of his generation, it would seem like a fitting partnership.

    Nolan makes cold and detached big budget films. Just compare the energy of the ski sequences in OHMSS to the ones in in Inception. He may be a fan but that does not make him a great fit for directing Bond.

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  • FoxRoxFoxRox
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    Agreed that being a fan doesn’t equal success when creating. It may even be high risk / high reward for a director to come on board that has never seen any Bond films and doesn’t know as much, for the sake of freshness. As long as the producers oversaw I could see how this could be a good thing.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    I can understand where people are saying but I'd still be interested in seeing what he'd put forward, whether Bond 26 or not, because while he has a certain style and approach in his own projects, I suspect he wouldn't approach something like an actual James Bond film in the same way. Homaging the franchise to fit your style is one thing but actually producing a product for the actual brand, it's a whole different thing. I'm not 100% on him as a choice, but benefit of the doubt is something I'd give Nolan and probably most directors unless it was like Michael Bay or someone :D
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited March 2023 Posts: 14,956
    I've never seen him make anything not in his style. And what's the point of getting Nolan if you don't want him to be Nolan?
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    put it this way, if there WAS such a property that would cause nolan to loosen up and be a bit more playful than his usual stuff, it would be Bond.


  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    mtm wrote: »
    I've never seen him make anything not in his style. And what's the point of getting Nolan if you don't want him to be Nolan?
    It's more that i just feel his approach may differ because of what the Bond franchise is, because I think a lot of Nolan is driven by whatever "high concept" approach he's taking with his original, non-franchise projects, which wouldn't be the case here with a product like James Bond, especially since EON are also involved.
  • Scaramanga1974Scaramanga1974
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    To whoever doubts Nolan could get Bond right. Please watch the opening sequence of The Dark Knight Rises. I rest my case your honour.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Scaramanga1974 wrote: »
    To whoever doubts Nolan could get Bond right. Please watch the opening sequence of The Dark Knight Rises. I rest my case your honour.

    Exciting but too dry for me. Everyone is asking for more fun in Bond, not less.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    And he's also just riffing on LTK in that sequence, so it's naturally going to seem like a good example.

    There are a handful of decent action beats peppered through Nolan's films, but I find it overall to be lacking.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    Agreed that being a fan doesn’t equal success when creating. It may even be high risk / high reward for a director to come on board that has never seen any Bond films and doesn’t know as much, for the sake of freshness. As long as the producers oversaw I could see how this could be a good thing.

    Just ask Zack Snyder and his version of Superman.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Nolan is by no means my first choice, but he is a good steady hand with wide ranging appeal. When I say he is a big fan of the series, what I mean is I think he probably has too much reference for Bond to mess with the secret sauce too much. As time goes on, I'm learning to accept that perfect is the enemy of good. ATJ might not be the best person to portray bond, and might not hold a candle to the likes of Connery Moore or Brosnan, but there's a whole boatload of worse options out there which would be an outright disaster. likewise Nolan might not be ideal, but at least he has a passion for Bond, and a respect for all the little aspects that fans know and love. At least we would get impressive IMAX sequences, practical stunts, and probably a great score. I'd take those know-ables anyday over rolling the dice and perhaps landing some woke type director who wants to use bond as a conduit to talk about toxic masculinity or some such nonsense.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I never realized, until I rewatched his Batman trilogy last year and revisited Inception, just how oddly staged and edited some of his action sequences are. I remember the snow sequence in the latter being absolutely classic and breathtaking upon release but some of the editing choices in hindsight are really bad or nonsensical.

    I think we could do way worse than Nolan but as others have said, his films are a bit too dry and serious for Bond. I want a little more camp and fun and liveliness injected back into the next era.
  • Shaken_Not_StirredShaken_Not_Stirred MI6
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    What do you all think of Henry Cavill being the next Bond?
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited March 2023 Posts: 2,928
    mtm wrote: »
    Everyone is asking for more fun in Bond, not less.
    Although I'm not, tbh. Said it before, but I'd prefer a whole film with the atmosphere of NTTD's Matera sequence than a full movie like Cuba. Although we can keep Paloma, obvs... ;) Agreed that it seems a bit redundant to hire a director with a distinctive personal style like Nolan and then ask him not to do the things that make him who he is. Wouldn't you be hiring him just for the name value if you did that? Surely you'd hire the guy who does the things that you want to have in your film?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Shaken_Not_Stirred wrote: »
    What do you all think of Henry Cavill being the next Bond?

    I figure it's not gonna happen but I'd be the first one with a gigantic smile on my face if he was cast.

    I think back to Brosnan nearly taking over before Dalton did, only to get the position after, and while that time gap is way smaller than the one between the start of the Craig era and the next era, it'd be nice to see Cavill getting a shot finally after almost having won it back in the mid-2000s.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Shaken_Not_Stirred wrote: »
    What do you all think of Henry Cavill being the next Bond?

    It really depends on what the filmmakers do with Cavill and the Bond character, @Shaken_Not_Stirred.

    Could produce greatness.

  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I never realized, until I rewatched his Batman trilogy last year and revisited Inception, just how oddly staged and edited some of his action sequences are. I remember the snow sequence in the latter being absolutely classic and breathtaking upon release but some of the editing choices in hindsight are really bad or nonsensical.

    I think we could do way worse than Nolan but as others have said, his films are a bit too dry and serious for Bond. I want a little more camp and fun and liveliness injected back into the next era.

    This is why having an experienced second unit director would do Nolan wonders. Bring in Alexander Witt to do his thing, rather than let Nolan personally handle every moment behind the camera. That’s how it’s been with Bond for 60 years, I don’t imagine Eon conceding to Nolan on that front especially if it further slows down production.

    My bigger concern would be bringing back Lee Smith as editor. I’m not a fan of his cutting, and he was detrimental to SP. I wish Eon had been able to keep Baird on board for SP, because the combo of him and Alexander Witt was what made the action sequences in CR/SF really sing, while SP had such an awkward flow in its action.
  • delfloriadelfloria
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    RichardTheBruce wrote: »
    Shaken_Not_Stirred wrote: »
    What do you all think of Henry Cavill being the next Bond?

    It really depends on what the filmmakers do with Cavill and the Bond character, @Shaken_Not_Stirred.

    Could produce greatness.

    Will be too old by the time they start the next one. Also he has another super spy film coming out soon called "Argyle". And they are talking about him starring in U.N.C.L.E. 2.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    put it this way, if there WAS such a property that would cause nolan to loosen up and be a bit more playful than his usual stuff, it would be Bond.


    Perhaps if he surgically removed the pickle up his rear.

    Nolan’s quite a rigid filmmaker and, as he ages, I don’t see him loosening up what has, to date, satisfied him as a storyteller. His instincts of what makes an exciting film seemingly runs counter to what makes the best of Bond work.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yes Tenet was arguably his Bond film, and equally arguably his most boring film to date.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    mtm wrote: »
    Yes Tenet was arguably his Bond film, and equally arguably his most boring film to date.

    Someone should have had the balls to tell him Tenet was half baked and to continue rewriting it until it made actual narrative sense.

    That was, without a doubt, the most annoying film I’ve ever sat through. I was gritting my teeth, and it was my own stubbornness to see how it ended (or I would have (and should have), walked out).
  • 007HallY007HallY
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    I think Nolan would have to be given a set of limitations if he were to direct a Bond film. I find the more freedom he has as a filmmaker the worse he gets. His early films such as Following, Memento, and even Batman Begins are great examples of what he can do with lower budgets and comparatively less resources.

    Tenet and Interstellar are at the opposite end of that scale for me. There's that strange mixture of 'rigidity' in the storytelling that some people have mentioned (I'm relatively sure Tenet is meant to be by design a rather cold and un-engaging film), and yet at the same time he has a tendency to be bizarrely artistic when it comes to certain technical aspects, sound being the major example. The sound design in both films have a tendency to take audiences out of the story, and it's something I've noticed Nolan's later films have in common (I don't believe it's a fault of the sound team as he tends to work with different sound crews each time, so I do believe it's down to his decisions as a director).

    Personally, I think we would have gotten the best Bond film out of him around 2004-2008. I'm not sure what the Nolan of today would be able to do for Bond. Then again maybe hiring him (again, with a set of limitations in place) might reinvigorate him as a director to do something a bit less cerebral and clunky than his latest stuff.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited March 2023 Posts: 14,956
    peter wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Yes Tenet was arguably his Bond film, and equally arguably his most boring film to date.

    Someone should have had the balls to tell him Tenet was half baked and to continue rewriting it until it made actual narrative sense.

    That was, without a doubt, the most annoying film I’ve ever sat through. I was gritting my teeth, and it was my own stubbornness to see how it ended (or I would have (and should have), walked out).

    I feel asleep, funnily enough not for the first time in a Nolan film: I snoozed in Inception too. I might give it another go some day as it's got nice big action visuals but I can't imagine when that day would be.
    007HallY wrote: »
    I think Nolan would have to be given a set of limitations if he were to direct a Bond film. I find the more freedom he has as a filmmaker the worse he gets. His early films such as Following, Memento, and even Batman Begins are great examples of what he can do with lower budgets and comparatively less resources.

    I remember loving Memento at the time (haven't seen it since) and I found Begins the most enjoyable of his Batmens, yes. Even if I felt, and still do, that treating Batman realistically just turns him into being a dangerous nutter: no-one in their right mind does that. I know he's not exactly portrayed as being healthy, but he would have to be really, really unwell.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    mtm wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Yes Tenet was arguably his Bond film, and equally arguably his most boring film to date.

    Someone should have had the balls to tell him Tenet was half baked and to continue rewriting it until it made actual narrative sense.

    That was, without a doubt, the most annoying film I’ve ever sat through. I was gritting my teeth, and it was my own stubbornness to see how it ended (or I would have (and should have), walked out).

    I feel asleep, funnily enough not for the first time in a Nolan film: I snoozed in Inception too. I might give it another go some day as it's got nice big action visuals but I can't imagine when that day would be.

    You’re braver than me!

    If and when you do get around to it, please tell me who the soldiers are fighting at the end? We don’t see the opposing military. It was so strange. The entire film felt as bizarre and as incomplete as a pretentious dream, dreamt up by an arrogant creator who dictates the screenplay to himself whilst gazing at his image in a giant mirror…
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    The only thing about the ending I can recall is that I didn't know who anyone was, including our heroes, as they all had masks on. I'm sure that was probably part of the time thing, like they were all fighting themselves or something, but I do remember deciding to give up on it at that point and I stopped caring.
  • 007HallY007HallY
    edited March 2023 Posts: 2,897
    Yes, must admit I've never been able to work out what happens after a point in that film. I rather enjoyed when everyone was able to jump around and learnt to pick up objects without touching them like Jedis. Could have been a fun sci-fi spy thriller. Oh well.
    mtm wrote: »
    I remember loving Memento at the time (haven't seen it since) and I found Begins the most enjoyable of his Batmens, yes. Even if I felt, and still do, that treating Batman realistically just turns him into being a dangerous nutter: no-one in their right mind does that. I know he's not exactly portrayed as being healthy, but he would have to be really, really unwell.

    That's kind of why I appreciate The Batman. It shows the character as not only flawed but possibly even mentally ill.

    Anyway, Batman Begins for me has the right mixture of superficial realism (maybe the better word is verisimilitude) and style. Just the way Gotham is depicted is much more Noir-ish than the later two Nolan Batman films. Not my favourite Batman film, but a really good one, and I think it strikes that balance well. Like I said though, I'm not sure if the Nolan of today is going to make such a film for Bond.
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