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If that's true, Turner now moves up to my #1 spot... just saying. ;)
Well, what difference does it make? No-one seems able to explain it.
An American nailing the accent; yeah, as long as it's perfect I'd be fine with that.
I think that's probably right, but one can lead to the other, if not in ourselves than in others in society; so why not confront it in yourself (not aimed at yourself, Fox) and challenge your own 'preferences' to make sure that they're not being fuelled by a deeper prejudice?
It's one thing to say I don't like mushrooms, it's quite another to say I don't like black people. :))
Jokes aside, I agree about preferences; people can want whatever they want with regards to who is cast as the next Bond.
I'm an actor. If I was to audition for Othello I don't think I'd have much chance. They'd have to break it to me that I'm not black enough. It'd be tough at first, but I'd get over it .
I don't taste Bond, though. My preference is for Bond, a slight change in his hair colour doesn't stop him being Bond to me.
As explained, it's part of the USPs of Bond that he is vaguely athletic and alpha-male-ish. If you take that away then the character becomes something else.
I know you're being light-hearted, but race is a bit of a theme in Othello though, it's not entirely equivalent.
So like I said, you won't have a white Black Panther or a white Othello (short of some rather problematic make-up alternations, let's just say) because their blackness is one of the core traits of both characters. The new Batman film probably wanted a white Bruce Wayne because his WASP-ish, privileged upbringing is a big part of the story, subtle as that is.
For Bond, I suppose the issue here is that there are some that don't think his whiteness is important in the context of a modern film. There's a case for that certainly. Being British, having a love of cars, women, gambling, don't inherently require you to be white, and with the right actor who embodies the part you could get something interesting. While you're more likely white if you attend Eton or Fettes/be from that specific background Bond has, even this isn't fundamentally dependent on race either, and rarely does Bond venture into outright social commentary, so I don't think we'd necessarily have a situation like The Batman I mentioned.
Not wanting Bond Bond doesn’t mean that one dislikes other races and ethnicities. But you know that.
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This is probably the dumbest conversation on race I've ever witnessed.
It's perfectly okay if you prefer a white actor as Bond. Why not.
They can cast a black actor, and the character will still be Bond. The colour of his skin is not inextricably linked to the character in the same way it is for Shaft or Blade. It just isn't. What's important is the stories they're telling, and many characteristics of Bond are vital to these stories being told (sexy, dangerous, capable, British). Bond is the immoveable object up against the unstoppable forces of his villains. That's what's important.
All of my picks for the next Bond happen to be white guys. Richard Madden, Luke Evans, etc. I don't particularly want Sope, Idris, Rege or any of the people of colour that have been put forward, for a variety of reasons. If they do cast a person of colour in the role and it's an interesting choice, I will be excited. I'm basically excited for anyone they chose, and like most people here, when they do choose someone, I'll dive into their back catalogue in anticipation for the next Bond film.
Finally, anyone in here saying other people aren't Bond fans for this reason or that can fuck off. The last bastion of the argumentless, truly, to say someone else is a lesser fan because they don't agree with something you've said. You should be banned simply because you're detrimental to a community of discussion. You contribute less than nothing.
But it's moot now.
I log on this morning to see 100 new posts in this thread, thinking maybe there is some news on the casting.
There was a time when I wanted Bond to remain as close to the Fleming interpretation of Bond as possible. A white male, mid-thirties, attractive to women, athletic, suave, charming and confident.
But to be honest, the cinematic Bond is a slightly different character to Fleming's Bond.
EON's Bond is not as snobbish as Fleming's, he doesn't have a housekeeper called May.
He's an expert on everything, and never really looked quite like the description Fleming gave of Bond. With Dalton the film makers at least tried to resemble him, with the comma of hair.
So, when casting the next Bond, I see no problem with casting the actor who best embodies the characteristics of the EON Bond, if that actor happens to be black, white, Asian or anything else, then I'll give them the benefit of the doubt first.
No matter who is cast, they'll be some backlash from certain fans.
Based on their looks and presence on screen I think, Sope Dirisu, Aidan Turner and Nicholas Hoult fit the bill to be an EON Bond.
I'm sure we can debate, argue and annoy each other till the cows come home. At the end of the day, this is a forum for the discussion of such things. None of us are right, and none of us are wrong. We're just sharing our opinion with likeminded fans.
You find N. Hoult handsome so as to portray Bond ? He's likeable, but...
Did you like Connery in the role ? Not Fleming's Bond, though, was he ? If you say he was, or he was enough, then you're already recognizing that it is quite fine to deviate from the written Bond. There are characteristics of the Fleming Bond, after all, which are difficult to portray effectively in a normal-length film. Does anyone want to see Bond the uncertain, Bond the addict, Bond the colonialist (not like in the 1800s, but...), Bond the bigot, Bond the snob, perhaps even Bond with a death wish ? How attractive could such a person be when they (and their clothes and their automobile and their residence and their office) smell of cigarette smoke (ashes, in other words), taste of it and reek of alcohol ? Of course not. Have your favorite Bond actors looked like Hoagy Carmichael ? Nope. Does anyone these days - and even back in the 1960s and 1970s - even know what Hoagy Carmichael looked like ? Nope.
The only reasonable conclusion is that folks here, and fans, generally, want to see a handsome, smart, capable, athletic, resourceful and attractive man of action.
Hoult is definitely on my list of candidates. He is a strong actor who is the perfect age, is growing into his looks and has just the right level of fame. Also, he’s not attached to any other franchise.
And I'm okay with Cavill in the role.
It'll be interesting to see if they stick with the Daniel era tone, that's served them so well at the box office or they revert to a lighter tone
My big problem with the lighter tone in the recent films, is it's more distracting than it is funny, in my opinion