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  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited June 2022 Posts: 23,102
    I am watching Star Wars again in 4K this film is near faultless. Alec Guiness is Obi Wan.

  • mtm wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Yelena makes the most sense to me, especially if she's to be the next Black Widow. We've seen her in the Black Widow film and we've seen her in Hawkeye. Her own spinoff series, even if only a 3-ep miniseries, could be the final push in the right popularity direction, so to speak--what is needed to make us "forget" about Natasha and fully accept Yelena in the role.

    I wouldn't even feel the need to saddle her with the Black Widow name anyway (although I take it she is called that in the comics?); she doesn't really need a superhero name, and purely as a moviegoer the 'Black Widow' thing never really seemed to take off anyway. I'd be quite happy to see her just doing more spy stuff- she'd be a good Bond alternative and the camera loves her.
    It's fairly easy to forget Natasha: in her own movie she got blasted off the screen in the charisma stakes by all three other members of her 'family'! :)

    Sorry: I just realised we're in the Star Wars thread :D

    I haven’t seen any of Marvel’s spinoff series, but Pugh was easily the best part of Black Widow. I’ve enjoyed Scarlett Johansson throughout the rest of the MCU and in other films like Ghost in the Shell and Lost in Translation, but she turned into complete wallpaper acting opposite Pugh, Harbour, and Weisz in her own film. I think Pugh could have her own Marvel film and audiences would turn up.

    Star Wars can give her her own film too. ;)
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
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    So I'm all caught up with Kenobi now, and I have to say...this series is really starting to lose its way. It just feels like there are no stakes involved. We already know that Leia and Kenobi will survive and to top it off
    their escape seemed way too easy.
    Here's hoping the last two episodes will be much more compelling.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Obi Jake Kenobi Episode V The lazy writing is appalling, no idea how this series got green lit. Talk about destroying cannon. Some of the stuff Vader does though that was insane.

  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Vadar showing his power.
    Spoilers...
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Vadar showing his power.
    Spoilers...

    Great power to have if you just missed your bus.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited June 2022 Posts: 23,102
    Vadar showing his power.
    Spoilers...

    Great power to have if you just missed your bus.

    😂
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    If I ignore the major issues with this series, this episode was easily the best so far.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    https://variety.com/2022/film/news/taika-waititi-star-wars-movie-new-characters-1235294929/

    Didn’t Rian Johnson say this for his own trilogy? Hopefully Waititi gets a chance to finish his project(s).
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    https://variety.com/2022/film/news/taika-waititi-star-wars-movie-new-characters-1235294929/

    Didn’t Rian Johnson say this for his own trilogy? Hopefully Waititi gets a chance to finish his project(s).

    That's the way to go, I want an Old Republic era film.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I like that Vader has some level of respect for Reva just because he can relate to her unrelenting rage.
  • Obi Jake Kenobi Episode V The lazy writing is appalling, no idea how this series got green lit. Talk about destroying cannon. Some of the stuff Vader does though that was insane.

    What part destroyed Canon?
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    “Destroying canon” at this point just feels more reactionary these days.

    At one point a character who is chronologically featured in a later installment was seemingly killed a few episodes ago. A lot of fans jumped on that as canon violation, without considering that character most likely survived. Lo and behold, that character is still alive.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Well I thought that was a rather terrific episode; very exciting and nicely dramatic. And as tense as it can be, given that we already know who survives! :)

    As I said last week:
    mtm wrote: »
    I did wonder that she'll turn good by the end of the series, I wonder if this hints at that.

    and it looks like this process has begun; but really quite well, I thought. Very clever idea to make that her backstory, and it makes sense of the opening to the series now.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited June 2022 Posts: 8,009
    Yep. I really dig the episode. The only thing that is somewhat sticking out to me now is the relationship between Kenobi and Leia. It's been a while since I've seen that first film but the way Lucas presents the holographic message and the way Leia acts with the Alec Guinness Kenobi always suggested to me that she knew him mostly by reputation. That obviously could not be the case now thanks to the show. I know she's only ten, but they've spent quite a bit of time together and been through quite a few tense situations.

    But even if that is an inconsistency, it's hardly a massive one in the grand scheme of things. It's certainly not on the level of "Somehow, Palpatine returned."

    I'm really enjoying the series and I'm looking forward to the final episode.
    “Destroying canon” at this point just feels more reactionary these days.

    At one point a character who is chronologically featured in a later installment was seemingly killed a few episodes ago. A lot of fans jumped on that as canon violation, without considering that character most likely survived. Lo and behold, that character is still alive.

    I was really satisfied with how that was handled. I knew he was going to come back, but they executed it very nicely. I really like the physical performance of the guy playing him, too. Great voice, great strut.
  • slide_99slide_99 USA
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    I regard the Disney products as fanfic, as they've been messing with canon since Rogue One. In ANH, Vader accuses Leia of receiving a transmission by rebel spies. Leia plays dumb and pretends to be on a diplomatic mission.
    "Your Highness, we LITERALLY just had a massive battle over those plans an hour ago. You and I were both there. Ring a bell?"
    To be fair, Lucas did his own retcons, but he's allowed to since it's his franchise.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    slide_99 wrote: »
    To be fair, Lucas did his own retcons, but he's allowed to since it's his franchise.

    That’s a dumb argument. Whoever has control over the franchise are allowed to do whatever they want with it.

    But I agree that ROGUE ONE is terrible.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited June 2022 Posts: 23,102
    Obi Jake Kenobi Episode V The lazy writing is appalling, no idea how this series got green lit. Talk about destroying cannon. Some of the stuff Vader does though that was insane.

    What part destroyed Canon?

    The whole shows existence.

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    Going forward I will view Disney Star Wars as Elseworld stories otherwise I just wont enjoy it.
    Having said that its difficult to ignore how much the terrible writing makes characters look incompetent. Reva plan was ridiculous and the fact Vadar wastes his time entertaining this nonsense is so out of character its unreal.

    Vadar had some badass moments amongst the mess.

    On the logic of the this show Qui Gon should be alive, Lightsabers are clearly not lethal anymore.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yep. I really dig the episode. The only thing that is somewhat sticking out to me now is the relationship between Kenobi and Leia. It's been a while since I've seen that first film but the way Lucas presents the holographic message and the way Leia acts with the Alec Guinness Kenobi always suggested to me that she knew him mostly by reputation. That obviously could not be the case now thanks to the show. I know she's only ten, but they've spent quite a bit of time together and been through quite a few tense situations.

    But even if that is an inconsistency, it's hardly a massive one in the grand scheme of things. It's certainly not on the level of "Somehow, Palpatine returned."

    I think in the film she didn't get to meet him, did she? It's been a while since I saw it. And apparently her response upon being freed is to say "Ben Kenobi is here?" which I guess you can read as having some familiarity to it. I know her hologram message is all about 'you served my father in the Clone Wars' but as you say, it's an inconsistency which you can handwave away. You could say she's acting as the Princess there so is being more formal about her request, and in fact she gets more desperate towards the end and says famously 'Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope' which I guess you can read as being a more personal appeal.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited June 2022 Posts: 8,009
    mtm wrote: »
    Yep. I really dig the episode. The only thing that is somewhat sticking out to me now is the relationship between Kenobi and Leia. It's been a while since I've seen that first film but the way Lucas presents the holographic message and the way Leia acts with the Alec Guinness Kenobi always suggested to me that she knew him mostly by reputation. That obviously could not be the case now thanks to the show. I know she's only ten, but they've spent quite a bit of time together and been through quite a few tense situations.

    But even if that is an inconsistency, it's hardly a massive one in the grand scheme of things. It's certainly not on the level of "Somehow, Palpatine returned."

    I think in the film she didn't get to meet him, did she? It's been a while since I saw it. And apparently her response upon being freed is to say "Ben Kenobi is here?" which I guess you can read as having some familiarity to it. I know her hologram message is all about 'you served my father in the Clone Wars' but as you say, it's an inconsistency which you can handwave away. You could say she's acting as the Princess there so is being more formal about her request, and in fact she gets more desperate towards the end and says famously 'Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope' which I guess you can read as being a more personal appeal.

    Yeah, you've refreshed my memory. It makes me want to watch the film again next week after I finish episode 6! :)

    I don't think Reva's plan is too ridiculous because she ultimately does not have one. Vader is the most powerful Sith in the galaxy (after the Emperor) so the only way she was ever going to get herself into a position to have a go at him was through blind luck.

    If Vader's willingness to allow things to transpire is out of character then that's fine, but my read of it retrospectively was that he only did so to draw Kenobi out. He knew Reva wasn't going to be a problem for him.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited June 2022 Posts: 14,861
    mtm wrote: »
    Yep. I really dig the episode. The only thing that is somewhat sticking out to me now is the relationship between Kenobi and Leia. It's been a while since I've seen that first film but the way Lucas presents the holographic message and the way Leia acts with the Alec Guinness Kenobi always suggested to me that she knew him mostly by reputation. That obviously could not be the case now thanks to the show. I know she's only ten, but they've spent quite a bit of time together and been through quite a few tense situations.

    But even if that is an inconsistency, it's hardly a massive one in the grand scheme of things. It's certainly not on the level of "Somehow, Palpatine returned."

    I think in the film she didn't get to meet him, did she? It's been a while since I saw it. And apparently her response upon being freed is to say "Ben Kenobi is here?" which I guess you can read as having some familiarity to it. I know her hologram message is all about 'you served my father in the Clone Wars' but as you say, it's an inconsistency which you can handwave away. You could say she's acting as the Princess there so is being more formal about her request, and in fact she gets more desperate towards the end and says famously 'Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope' which I guess you can read as being a more personal appeal.

    Yeah, you've refreshed my memory. It makes me want to watch the film again next week after I finish episode 6! :)

    I don't think Reva's plan is too ridiculous because she ultimately does not have one. Vader is the most powerful Sith in the galaxy (after the Emperor) so the only way she was ever going to get herself into a position to have a go at him was through blind luck.

    Yep, that's true, but it's Star Wars I guess :)
    I can't remember how she worded it but perhaps she was serious about being an Inquisitor right up until the moment where she happened to meet Vader, realised/sensed he was Anakin at that point, and she decided she wanted revenge then. As you say, just blind luck rather than a plan, and Vader must have made plenty of enemies over the years so it's not unlikely that plenty of folk who bump into him bear a grudge!

    What I thought was rather bold (because of timing rather than planning perhaps, but equally it's timing which comes around all too often) was the parallels Reva's story from the Jedi Temple had with stories of recent horrible events in American schools. Hopefully that hit home in a few US minds.
    If Vader's willingness to allow things to transpire is out of character then that's fine, but my read of it retrospectively was that he only did so to draw Kenobi out. He knew Reva wasn't going to be a problem for him.

    Makes sense to me: he shouldn't see anyone as a threat apart from Ben, really, so I can imagine he'd be totally up for letting his opponents run their plans out just so he can see what he can get out of them, and then swat them like flies.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    And as he himself said:

    "Kenobi is all that matters now."
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    On the logic of the this show Qui Gon should be alive, Lightsabers are clearly not lethal anymore.

    This is the same universe where someone can get cut in half and survive. What Reva got only counts as a flesh wound.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited June 2022 Posts: 23,102
    On the logic of the this show Qui Gon should be alive, Lightsabers are clearly not lethal anymore.

    This is the same universe where someone can get cut in half and survive. What Reva got only counts as a flesh wound.
    Once was bad enough though it happens twice, her spine must be made from titanium. (though a sabre would still cut through Titanium).
  • For a moment there I thought she was going to get "Dooku'd"
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
    edited June 2022 Posts: 7,314
    Finally caught up with the fifth episode. On the one hand, there were things that I loved about it. That flashback! I don't even care about Hayden looking older. It worked and was nice to see the two of them together again. Also, the tension was palpable in this episode in a way the previous one lacked.

    However, why does no one die from a lightsaber to the gut anymore? That's how Qui Gon bit the dust, but now it's like you can shake it off as if just it's a minor wound or something. That's really annoying. Plus, why does Vader not kill Reva? I kind of liked that he tricked and used her, but it seemed out of character for him not to finish her off now. Is he counting on her leading him back to Obi Wan? I don't know.
    mtm wrote: »
    Yep. I really dig the episode. The only thing that is somewhat sticking out to me now is the relationship between Kenobi and Leia. It's been a while since I've seen that first film but the way Lucas presents the holographic message and the way Leia acts with the Alec Guinness Kenobi always suggested to me that she knew him mostly by reputation. That obviously could not be the case now thanks to the show. I know she's only ten, but they've spent quite a bit of time together and been through quite a few tense situations.

    But even if that is an inconsistency, it's hardly a massive one in the grand scheme of things. It's certainly not on the level of "Somehow, Palpatine returned."

    I think in the film she didn't get to meet him, did she? It's been a while since I saw it. And apparently her response upon being freed is to say "Ben Kenobi is here?" which I guess you can read as having some familiarity to it. I know her hologram message is all about 'you served my father in the Clone Wars' but as you say, it's an inconsistency which you can handwave away. You could say she's acting as the Princess there so is being more formal about her request, and in fact she gets more desperate towards the end and says famously 'Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope' which I guess you can read as being a more personal appeal.

    From watching A New Hope, it doesn't seem like she knew him personally, more than likely had just heard stories passed down from her father, but I'm not too bothered about it from an inconsistency standpoint. Like you said, you can make it fit if you really wanted to. My problem is that it's disappointing that they seem to be making the same mistake Lucas did with the prequels, that everyone knew each other. Like Anakin building C-3P0 and Yoda and Chewbacca having fought together in that battle in Episode 3. Not everything has to be connected! I'm glad they've shown restraint in not showing us a young Han Solo...at least not yet.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    I rewatched episode 5 the Hayden scenes were good they could have had those scenes from Episode 1 and ran them parallel to there present time throughout the series. They could have shown Anakin and Obi wan on a mission or adventure, they really missed an opportunity there.

    I just cannot get past the appalling nonsensical writing in this show, they cannot even stay consistent with there own internal logic from episode to episode its that bad.

    The message from Bail Organa was so lazy as a plot device and made Bail and Obi Wan look utterly stupid.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Obi Wan Kenobi Episode 6, I am honestly lost for words.

    A small part of me died inside after watching that.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Just finished it and really enjoyed it. Overall, I don't think the show was as good as it really should have been considering the long road it took to come to fruition, but I still liked it a lot. The Skywalker focus has been its main drawback - a show where Obi-Wan was drawn into a war with the Inquisitors is strong enough as a concept on its own without any of the other baggage. That being said, I get why they felt the need to have the twins as a presence - it is his mission in life to protect them now, after all.

    Age and experience certainly play a part, but McGregor's performance here far eclipses those in the prequels. The Guinness-isms feel more organic and less hammy.

    A couple of obvious flaws aside, it was a very decent show.
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