Star Wars (1977 - present)

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  • QsAssistantQsAssistant All those moments lost in time... like tears in rain
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    I really want to watch that trailer but I try not to watch too many trailers for things I’m excited to see. I watched the first trailer twice and I'm doing my best to hold off watching anymore until I see the show but it’s not easy.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I really want to watch that trailer but I try not to watch too many trailers for things I’m excited to see. I watched the first trailer twice and I'm doing my best to hold off watching anymore until I see the show but it’s not easy.

    I simply need to stop watching trailers I love dozens, if not hundreds, of times. I end up catching so much hidden stuff that I wish I hadn't.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Worst of the saga, easily.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    That whole trilogy is rough. Some fans appear to ironically "love it" these days but it's objectively awful on several fronts.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    They’ve moved past “ironically” loving it to just plain loving it. The “ironic” thing was just sort of a way to slowly admit they liked the films without actually admitting it back when it was still popular to bash the prequels. But as the younger generations got older, the more voices there were expressing love for those films. It’s a very different climate from what it used to be back in the 2000s when it seemed like they were universally hated to the point Disney actively avoided marketing anything prequel related, hence cancelling THE CLONE WARS. Ten years later they notice millennials love prequels and are now all about prequels rather than catering to GenXers
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    They’ve moved past “ironically” loving it to just plain loving it. The “ironic” thing was just sort of a way to slowly admit they liked the films without actually admitting it back when it was still popular to bash the prequels. But as the younger generations got older, the more voices there were expressing love for those films. It’s a very different climate from what it used to be back in the 2000s when it seemed like they were universally hated to the point Disney actively avoided marketing anything prequel related, hence cancelling THE CLONE WARS. Ten years later they notice millennials love prequels and are now all about prequels rather than catering to GenXers

    Which is funny in a way because I thought most fans loved that show. I've not seen it myself, maybe I'm wrong in that assessment, but I hear it discussed all the time.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Makes sense to me. There were 10 year old kids that loved CLONE WARS in 2008, and now they’re 24 and nostalgic.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I look forward to what Rian Johnson comes up with now that he won’t have to follow up a JJ Abrams flick.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I look forward to what Rian Johnson comes up with now that he won’t have to follow up a JJ Abrams flick.

    I don't think he really showed much in the way of an aptitude for Star Wars in his film though. It wasn't the previous film that made Johnson make the characters charmless or the jokes flat or the whole film without any spark.
    The weird thing is that he displays all of that in Knives Out, and if that had come first I'd say he'd be a good choice for SW.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Hard disagree. I got more out of his effort than Abrams’ surface level work.
  • Worst of the saga, easily.

    For me, “The Rise of Skywalker” holds that title.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    MaxCasino wrote: »

    A LOT of digital technology got started with the prequels, especially episode 2.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Hard disagree. I got more out of his effort than Abrams’ surface level work.

    There's more to think about, but little to actually enjoy. And I don't watch a film called Star Wars to watch two people talking on a dreary island.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    TFA was pretty solid to me on a rewatch. I saw TLJ and TROS for the first time ever this year and found both to be forgettable and poor in a lot of respects. I can't ever see me returning to revisit them (the one, TLJ, I think, with that casino town animal chase or whatever they were? That was laughably awful and gave me major prequel vibes).
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    For such a spotty track record collectively, SW is awfully beloved.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    For such a spotty track record collectively, SW is awfully beloved.

    It's got something to love for just about everyone, I think, and when it's good, it's really, really good stuff.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    mtm wrote: »
    Hard disagree. I got more out of his effort than Abrams’ surface level work.

    There's more to think about, but little to actually enjoy. And I don't watch a film called Star Wars to watch two people talking on a dreary island.

    Funnily, back in 1980 there were folks who held the sentiment of EMPIRE not being a fun watch in comparison to the more jovial and adventurous original film.

    All I can say is that I find it for the most part riveting in a way the rest of the sequel trilogy never reaches. It’s got the best acting performance of Mark Hamill.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    TFA was pretty solid to me on a rewatch. I saw TLJ and TROS for the first time ever this year and found both to be forgettable and poor in a lot of respects. I can't ever see me returning to revisit them (the one, TLJ, I think, with that casino town animal chase or whatever they were? That was laughably awful and gave me major prequel vibes).

    Yeah I'd say TFA is a very good adventure film, the two follow-ups are less good, with TLJ being the worst. RoS is not great, but it's like watching a big cartoon; if you want to watch some Star Wars things happening it does them all effectively enough, just not hugely engagingly. Have a beer and watch some space fights: it's fine.
    mtm wrote: »
    Hard disagree. I got more out of his effort than Abrams’ surface level work.

    There's more to think about, but little to actually enjoy. And I don't watch a film called Star Wars to watch two people talking on a dreary island.

    Funnily, back in 1980 there were folks who held the sentiment of EMPIRE not being a fun watch in comparison to the more jovial and adventurous original film.

    That's nothing to do with this though. I know when I'm bored. I've also seen Empire and know full well what a darker SW film is and how effective it can be, and Empire is never boring.
    All I can say is that I find it for the most part riveting in a way the rest of the sequel trilogy never reaches. It’s got the best acting performance of Mark Hamill.

    Which is like saying it has the least stinkiest manure in it :)
    I actually think he's laughably terrible in it. He's just pulling faces. After Harrison Ford lighting the whole thing up in the previous film, he's a very lacking guest star.
  • edited May 2022 Posts: 5,863
    All I can say is that I find it for the most part riveting in a way the rest of the sequel trilogy never reaches. It’s got the best acting performance of Mark Hamill.

    From the latest trilogy I've only seen TLJ, but I was just about to write that Mark Hamill is so charismatic in it, more than in his younger years. He commands attention. I love his gruffness tinged with humor.

    On the basis of that performance alone I'd like to see him get other juicy roles in movies these days.
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  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I agree with @mtm. TROS isn't great; it's essentially one big fan service party. Resurrect the oldest and biggest evil of them all, wink-wink-nod-nod references to old Star Wars from start to finish, redo all the epic battles just way bigger than ever before, and don't . think . too . hard.
    But that is also part of the fun, and the reason why this film puts a smile on my face. Sometimes you want steak, sometimes you want cheap candy. TROS is the latter. But some days, it's the Star Wars film I want, even if it's never going down in history as the best Star Wars film ever, not by a long shot.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 2022 Posts: 12,111
    mattjoes wrote: »
    All I can say is that I find it for the most part riveting in a way the rest of the sequel trilogy never reaches. It’s got the best acting performance of Mark Hamill.

    From the latest trilogy I've only seen TLJ, but I was just about to write that Mark Hamill is so charismatic in it, more than in his younger years. He commands attention. I love his gruffness tinged with humor.

    On the basis of that performance alone I'd like to see him get other juicy roles in movies these days.

    It's all subjective of course, but those two movies are for me the starkest illustration of why Ford has been a star for the last five decades and Hamill has not. They're both even doing 'gruff and grizzled'; it's just that one is superb and likeable and funny at it, and the other one feels like he's pretending.
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I agree with @mtm. TROS isn't great; it's essentially one big fan service party. Resurrect the oldest and biggest evil of them all, wink-wink-nod-nod references to old Star Wars from start to finish, redo all the epic battles just way bigger than ever before, and don't . think . too . hard.
    But that is also part of the fun, and the reason why this film puts a smile on my face. Sometimes you want steak, sometimes you want cheap candy. TROS is the latter. But some days, it's the Star Wars film I want, even if it's never going down in history as the best Star Wars film ever, not by a long shot.

    Yeah, it's Tomorrow Never Dies basically :)
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @mtm, I got misquoted at the end there, as I didn't say that, but I do agree with you about his performance. He really doesn't get much to work with in these newer installments. It's sort of another legacy problem I have - bringing back old characters for fan service or other reasoning but not giving them much to work with. The Scream films have also been rough in this regard.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 2022 Posts: 12,111
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    @mtm, I got misquoted at the end there, as I didn't say that

    Oh apologies; all of these nested quotes get confusing.
  • edited May 2022 Posts: 5,863
    Oh apologies; all of these nested quotes get confusing.

    mattjoes wrote: »
    For such a spotty track record collectively, SW is awfully beloved.
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I've never had a problem with the quoting system myself.
    Yes, I agree.

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    I would say Rise of Skywalker is the only Star Wars film with zero redeeming features.

    It’s uniformly awful, and utterly creatively bankrupt in the story telling department.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    mattjoes wrote: »
    Yes, I agree.

    :))
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    mattjoes wrote: »
    Oh apologies; all of these nested quotes get confusing.

    mattjoes wrote: »
    For such a spotty track record collectively, SW is awfully beloved.
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I've never had a problem with the quoting system myself.
    Creasy47 is beyond cool and my favorite person.

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    Well gee, that's so nice of you to say!
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