Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
    edited February 2022 Posts: 4,247
    The James Bond name is already HUGE. People will always go watch James Bond. So I don't see the need to follow the style of others. The funny thing is, the movies they copy from, also copy from James Bond immensely. Bale's Batman and especially Bruce Wayne is James Bond. Morgan Freeman's Fox is Q.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited February 2022 Posts: 5,834
    GadgetMan wrote: »
    The James Bond name is already HUGE. People will always go watch James Bond.
    I agree with your first statement, not so much your second. It is still a huge franchise, but its not what it used to be in terms of audience interest, and worth noting its most successful film to date was kinda infamous for its influence from The Dark Knight. I'm not saying Batman is key, I'm just saying influence doesn't hurt.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
    Posts: 4,247
    Denbigh wrote: »
    GadgetMan wrote: »
    The James Bond name is already HUGE. People will always go watch James Bond.
    I agree with your first statement, not so much your second. It is still a huge franchise, but its not what it used to be in terms of audience interest, and worth noting its most successful film to date was kinda infamous for its influence from The Dark Knight. I'm not saying Batman is key, I'm just saying influence doesn't hurt.

    Yeah, I know what you mean. But it just hurts knowing James Bond usually sets the pace, but now copy others. I know the older Bond movies also followed trends, but recently it's becoming too blatant.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    It's been happening since at least 1973.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
    edited February 2022 Posts: 686
    They can't help themselves. That's why I was so happy when "Cats" failed at the box-office. ;))
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,049
    echo wrote: »
    It's been happening since at least 1973.

    I’d say since 1962 with Alfred Hitchcock, and 1971 with campy TV shows.
  • edited February 2022 Posts: 2,887
    I'd say the helicopter chase in FRWL is an outlier. There aren't any other sequences in the 60s Bonds that look like such a blatant swipes from Hitchcock. That scene is one of the few flaws in FRWL--it's not inventive enough to make audiences forget about North by Northwest.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    The 60s films were definitely the trend setters.

    At this point, I don’t really care if Bond films are taking cues from contemporary popular films anymore, because that’s been the standard operating procedure for 50 years. All that really matters is if they make a cracking action adventure film.

  • Posts: 14,799
    GadgetMan wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    GadgetMan wrote: »
    The James Bond name is already HUGE. People will always go watch James Bond.
    I agree with your first statement, not so much your second. It is still a huge franchise, but its not what it used to be in terms of audience interest, and worth noting its most successful film to date was kinda infamous for its influence from The Dark Knight. I'm not saying Batman is key, I'm just saying influence doesn't hurt.

    Yeah, I know what you mean. But it just hurts knowing James Bond usually sets the pace, but now copy others. I know the older Bond movies also followed trends, but recently it's becoming too blatant.

    It used to follow trends in the past too. FRWL is heavily influenced by Hitchcock for instance. With a dash of Kubrick thrown in for good measure (Spartacus apparently influenced the training on Spectre Island).
  • Posts: 1,545
    They can't help themselves. That's why I was so happy when "Cats" failed at the box-office. ;))

    Brilliant...
  • Denbigh wrote: »
    After listening to this track from The Batman soundtrack, I'd love for Michael Giacchino to score Bond 26.


    Nice. We all know Michael Giacchino scored The Incredibles after Barry turned it down, and did a great job emulating Barry in that movie. I would be happy if he came on board for the next Bond film.

    If The Batman is a massive hit at the box office, watch this film to see the mood and tone for the next Bond film. This is an absolute certainty. Recent Bond films have followed the trend of Batman as closely as, say the Bourne franchise.

    And from what we understand of this film, its gritty, dark, scary, violent. So all those clamouring for underwater Lotus cars, double-taking pigeons, Tarzan yells and invisible cars - forget it! ;)

    So the next Bond film is gonna be even darker than the Craig films? The Batman is rated 15A in the UK.

    I've said before that I don't think they really can. Craig took the 'dark/gritty/grounded' thing as far as it could be taken. Any further in that direction and you tip into sheer joylessness - some might argue that some of his films already do a bit. Plus, what are the odds that the next actor will be able to do the 'dark' thing as well as Craig? He's sort of made it his own, so there's a major risk that following on in that tone would come off as pale imitation.

    I think in a post-COVID world some romanticism and travelogue would be appealing to a lot of people. Maybe if Indy/Uncharted do well, EON will chase the 'adventure' flavor a bit more?
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    Since62 wrote: »
    They can't help themselves. That's why I was so happy when "Cats" failed at the box-office. ;))

    Brilliant...

    Although Shirley Bassey could nail any song in Cats so well ! Let's see, remake GF with emphasis on Pussy Galore and her flying crew...yes, YES ! There could be something here !
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    octofinger wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    After listening to this track from The Batman soundtrack, I'd love for Michael Giacchino to score Bond 26.


    Nice. We all know Michael Giacchino scored The Incredibles after Barry turned it down, and did a great job emulating Barry in that movie. I would be happy if he came on board for the next Bond film.

    If The Batman is a massive hit at the box office, watch this film to see the mood and tone for the next Bond film. This is an absolute certainty. Recent Bond films have followed the trend of Batman as closely as, say the Bourne franchise.

    And from what we understand of this film, its gritty, dark, scary, violent. So all those clamouring for underwater Lotus cars, double-taking pigeons, Tarzan yells and invisible cars - forget it! ;)

    So the next Bond film is gonna be even darker than the Craig films? The Batman is rated 15A in the UK.

    I've said before that I don't think they really can. Craig took the 'dark/gritty/grounded' thing as far as it could be taken. Any further in that direction and you tip into sheer joylessness - some might argue that some of his films already do a bit. Plus, what are the odds that the next actor will be able to do the 'dark' thing as well as Craig? He's sort of made it his own, so there's a major risk that following on in that tone would come off as pale imitation.

    I think in a post-COVID world some romanticism and travelogue would be appealing to a lot of people. Maybe if Indy/Uncharted do well, EON will chase the 'adventure' flavor a bit more?

    It would be nice to see them go on location extensively. They have not been doing that a lot in the Craig era after QoS.

    There are worse ideas than to let Soderbergh do a quick-and-dirty handheld Bond in a bunch of different European locations. It might be the amuse bouche the series needs.
  • edited February 2022 Posts: 1,693
    Since62 wrote: »
    They can't help themselves. That's why I was so happy when "Cats" failed at the box-office. ;))

    Brilliant...

    But now we have Spiderman No Way Home......................... get ready for all the other Bond CGI actors to show up and help the new Bond.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Well, Mendes already tried to get Connery to play Kincade...
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Venutius wrote: »
    Well, Mendes already tried to get Connery to play Kincade...

    Is that verified?

    Purvis & Wade said when they were in the process of writing they thought it would be amusing if the producers could get Connery to play him. But it never seemed to be a serious suggestion.

    I’m glad they didn’t get Connery. It would have been cute but distracting.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,049
    Venutius wrote: »
    Well, Mendes already tried to get Connery to play Kincade...

    Is that verified?

    Purvis & Wade said when they were in the process of writing they thought it would be amusing if the producers could get Connery to play him. But it never seemed to be a serious suggestion.

    I’m glad they didn’t get Connery. It would have been cute but distracting.

    That’s why they didn’t do it. Besides, it was a nice send off for Albert Finney.
  • Posts: 14,799
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Venutius wrote: »
    Well, Mendes already tried to get Connery to play Kincade...

    Is that verified?

    Purvis & Wade said when they were in the process of writing they thought it would be amusing if the producers could get Connery to play him. But it never seemed to be a serious suggestion.

    I’m glad they didn’t get Connery. It would have been cute but distracting.

    That’s why they didn’t do it. Besides, it was a nice send off for Albert Finney.

    I wish he had been in a Bond film before actually. He would have made a great villain.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    Posts: 2,895
    Is that verified?
    Purvis & Wade said when they were in the process of writing they thought it would be amusing if the producers could get Connery to play him. But it never seemed to be a serious suggestion. I’m glad they didn’t get Connery. It would have been cute but distracting.

    Yeh, I'm also glad they didn't get Connery - or ask him, rather, as I doubt he'd've been up for it, really. I just assumed that casting choices wouldn't have been down to Purvis and Wade so it must've been Mendes's idea but, yes, according to Some Kind of Hero, Wade said that the Connery casting 'was genuinely considered...but the producers weren't so sure. They were worried it would overshadow the movie.'
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited February 2022 Posts: 5,834
    Venutius wrote: »
    Is that verified?
    Purvis & Wade said when they were in the process of writing they thought it would be amusing if the producers could get Connery to play him. But it never seemed to be a serious suggestion. I’m glad they didn’t get Connery. It would have been cute but distracting.
    They were worried it would overshadow the movie.
    Yeah it definitely would've, M's death specifically. To have M dying in Bond's arm to then cut to Connery would've completely ruined the emotion of the scene because people would've still been shocked by his appearance.
  • Posts: 1,693
    Any of the previous actors showing up would work as well as Craig coming in to play Tanner in 26.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    True. Trying to think of an example where stunt casting's ever worked, but...nope.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Sean Connery in Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves!

  • Posts: 1,545
    How about Steven Seagal in Executive Decision. His character was as you expected. The plot points for that character were not ! Perhaps this was not an instance of Stunt Casting. My mind might be woozy on this one since, let's face it, Halle Berry was in it...so, you know, melt, my brains do...
  • Posts: 6,682
    Since62 wrote: »
    How about Steven Seagal in Executive Decision. His character was as you expected. The plot points for that character were not ! Perhaps this was not an instance of Stunt Casting. My mind might be woozy on this one since, let's face it, Halle Berry was in it...so, you know, melt, my brains do...

    That's a good example. You use Seagal's persona to set up expectations and then, the twist. I like it when movies do that; when aspects outside of the movie are used inside the movie.
  • Posts: 3,272
    octofinger wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    After listening to this track from The Batman soundtrack, I'd love for Michael Giacchino to score Bond 26.


    Nice. We all know Michael Giacchino scored The Incredibles after Barry turned it down, and did a great job emulating Barry in that movie. I would be happy if he came on board for the next Bond film.

    If The Batman is a massive hit at the box office, watch this film to see the mood and tone for the next Bond film. This is an absolute certainty. Recent Bond films have followed the trend of Batman as closely as, say the Bourne franchise.

    And from what we understand of this film, its gritty, dark, scary, violent. So all those clamouring for underwater Lotus cars, double-taking pigeons, Tarzan yells and invisible cars - forget it! ;)

    So the next Bond film is gonna be even darker than the Craig films? The Batman is rated 15A in the UK.

    I've said before that I don't think they really can. Craig took the 'dark/gritty/grounded' thing as far as it could be taken. Any further in that direction and you tip into sheer joylessness - some might argue that some of his films already do a bit. Plus, what are the odds that the next actor will be able to do the 'dark' thing as well as Craig? He's sort of made it his own, so there's a major risk that following on in that tone would come off as pale imitation.

    I think in a post-COVID world some romanticism and travelogue would be appealing to a lot of people. Maybe if Indy/Uncharted do well, EON will chase the 'adventure' flavor a bit more?

    Like I said, it all depends on how well Batman fares at the BO and with the critics. Current movie audience taste and expectations will dictate which direction they go in, rather than a simple desire to go back to a light hearted adventure romp (which I personally wouldn't mind either).

    The new Batman actor could be an indication which way they may go with the next Bond actor too. Dark and brooding, rather than classical super hero type.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Venutius wrote: »
    True. Trying to think of an example where stunt casting's ever worked, but...nope.

    I thought it worked for MAVERICK, but that’s a case where he was playing a character from the start of the film, rather than coming in for the third act.

    What made it work for SPIDER-MAN: NO WAY HOME was because the whole film had already been setting the previous actors up to appear, so it wasn’t totally out of the blue.
  • Posts: 14,799
    Sean Connery in Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves!

    He was distracting then too. And even for a few seconds, stressed how lightweight and unheroic Kevin Costner is in that film.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Yes, Connery pretty much owns the screen no matter what he's in - or for how long he's in it. The man had that innate presence and charisma that you just can't learn or fake.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    It's funny how the appearance of a well known actor in a cameo can be distracting. For me, when Ted Danson appeared in "Saving Private Ryan it pulled me right out of the film.
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