Easter Eggs, Symbolism & Call Backs (Major Spoilers)

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  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    QBranch wrote: »
    I typed out the obituary, following the prop as seen at the Designing 007 exhibits several years ago. You won't find a more accurate replica ;) There was also a newspaper clipping at the exhibit which copied the text word for word.

    Excellent, QBranch, thanks for clearing that up - and well done, we all owe you one! 👍
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Venutius wrote: »
    Excellent, QBranch, thanks for clearing that up - and well done, we all owe you one! 👍
    Thanks mate, I was just 'using my time'.

    Best pic I have of the actual prop obit and clipping - note the death certificate sitting underneath.

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  • When M tallked about the obit, she mentioned words that I can't see in that text. Something about exemplar of British fortitude?
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    Not sure if this has been posted before, but the CIA guy Logan Ash is acting exactly like Killifer is acting towards Bond in LTK.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    When M tallked about the obit, she mentioned words that I can't see in that text. Something about exemplar of British fortitude?

    It’s in there. Third paragraph.
  • Thanks Nick, I missed that.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Speaking of eggs.

    The base to Blofeld's bionic eye on the pillow at the party is a similar style to the Fabergé egg on display in OP.

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  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    During the train scene in CR Bond points out Vesper is an orphan. In NTTD we discover her mother, Elena Saviani, died when she was two years old.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    matt_u wrote: »
    During the train scene in CR Bond points out Vesper is an orphan. In NTTD we discover her mother, Elena Saviani, died when she was two years old.

    Do we? That's a cool detail, where is that in the film?
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited December 2021 Posts: 4,343
    matt_u wrote: »
    During the train scene in CR Bond points out Vesper is an orphan. In NTTD we discover her mother, Elena Saviani, died when she was two years old.

    Do we? That's a cool detail, where is that in the film?

    There’s a shot where her Mom’s name and death date is clearly visible. She’s buried right above Vesper. They even put “VED. LYND” on her tomb that means “Lynd’s widow”.
  • 00Heaven00Heaven Home
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    @matt_u - Delivering the goods again :). Nice one.
  • FeyadorFeyador Montreal, Canada
    edited December 2021 Posts: 721
    Two lines from the Spectre train sequence that are directly referenced in NTTD:

    Madeleine Swann: Is this really what you want? Living in the shadows? Hunting, being hunted? Always looking behind you. Always alone?

    The early scene in Matera when Madeleine chides Bond about doing exactly that ....

    James Bond: I'm not sure I ever had a choice. Anyway, I don't stop to think about it.”

    The confrontation with Safin on Poison Island when Bond makes a similar remark, but which this time also encompasses the looking-glass villain that is Safin as well as the latter's intended or unintended victims ...

    And, of course, there's the more obvious stuff about the gun under the sink and Bond not having to teach her a thing ....
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    I only saw the film once but doesn't Nomi wear a wig and isn't that a shout-out to Rosie Carver?
  • FeyadorFeyador Montreal, Canada
    edited December 2021 Posts: 721
    I only saw the film once but doesn't Nomi wear a wig and isn't that a shout-out to Rosie Carver?
    Yes, probably, as if in apology for the latter's irritating incompetence and faintheartedness as the most-unlikely of secret agents ...
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    'Not the first thing I thought you'd take off' - classic. Another Waller-Bridge gag?
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    edited December 2021 Posts: 12,916
    Not sure I've seen the expanded Jack London quote shared.
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    https://www.newsweek.com/m-quote-james-bond-no-time-die-ending-1634622

    Where does the Jack London quote originate?
    The quote used by M in No Time To Die was a snippet from a larger quote attributed to London.
    According to Bartleby.com, the full quote was said by London to journalist Ernest J. Hopkins, who published them in San Francisco's The Bulletin on December 2, 1916.

    London reportedly told Hopkins this while discussing his life just two months before his death. He was just 40 years old when he passed away on November 22, 1916.

    The full excerpt from both the newspaper report reads:
    I would rather be ashes than dust!
    I would rather that my spark should burn out in a brilliant blaze than it should be stifled by dry-rot.
    I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet.
    The function of man is to live, not to exist.
    I shall not waste my days in trying to prolong them.
    I shall use my time.
    The wider quote was eventually unearthed from The Bulletin by Irving Shepard in his 1956 book Jack London's Tales of Adventure.

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    Oscar Wilde having some Fleming and Bond connections, I noticed this similar quote and sentiment.

    “To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all.”
    – Oscar Wilde
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    Now that I have the 4k ripped to my computer, it's easy to look at the parallels going on. Noticed this one on my first viewing and it's been stuck in my head ever since.

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  • BMB007 wrote: »
    Now that I have the 4k ripped to my computer, it's easy to look at the parallels going on. Noticed this one on my first viewing and it's been stuck in my head ever since.

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    Off-topic I know but good God. I had forgotten how insanely well shot this movie was.
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    BMB007 wrote: »
    Now that I have the 4k ripped to my computer, it's easy to look at the parallels going on. Noticed this one on my first viewing and it's been stuck in my head ever since.

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    Off-topic I know but good God. I had forgotten how insanely well shot this movie was.

    Oh my goodness YES. Fukunaga and Sandgren and their team did an outstanding job in creating images.

    Another one to share. The endings of "Casino Royale" and "No Time to Die" fit together like a glove — particularly when one thinks about the Mr. White connection.

    In the moment from CR, when the James Bond theme sings for the first time in the film, it is him truly becoming 007. The death of Vesper and his heart getting hardened. So when he says the iconic line "Bond, James Bond" — it's a sign he's 007.

    But in NTTD, when Madeleine says the line — it almost becomes something else. Think about that question her mother asks her in the beginning "Is this who you love? Murderers?" That's almost Madeleine's character to a T, and of course that fear that she's repeated the cycle once more (the dynamic of White/her mom/Madeleine is the same as Bond/Madeleine/Mathilde before he returns). But then with what Bond does in that film, he transcends beyond being a killer. That line "Bond, James Bond" gets recontexualized from being the calling-card of an assassin to the name of a loving father.

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    (and of course, in both these films it is the last line of dialogue spoken)




  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Madeleine, especially in the PTS of NTTD, is closest to resembling Fleming’s Tracy, than Diana Rigg was in OHMSS
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    matt_u wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    During the train scene in CR Bond points out Vesper is an orphan. In NTTD we discover her mother, Elena Saviani, died when she was two years old.

    Do we? That's a cool detail, where is that in the film?

    There’s a shot where her Mom’s name and death date is clearly visible. She’s buried right above Vesper. They even put “VED. LYND” on her tomb that means “Lynd’s widow”.

    Bond guesses that she's an orphan, and if her mum was a widow when she died then Vesper was indeed orphaned: great spot.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    One of the deceased SPECTRE agents in NTTD is named Lovett Power. :D
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    Ha! Came across this tonight when skimming through the movie. Basically the same shot composition. Time is a flat circle. Poetry, it rhymes. All that jazz.
  • 00Heaven00Heaven Home
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    The whole of that scene is basically mirrored from the beginning. It's pretty cool :).
  • KenAustinKenAustin United States
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    The movie was visually striking but it reminded me of the less than desirable writing of The Force Awakens where unknown and barely developed character swept into the franchise and started killing off iconic legendary characters. At least they were smart and waited until right before the credits to kill Bond...I got up and left the theater when the rookie actor killed Han Solo and didn't return to the theaters to watch the following two films...I returned to see Solo and also Rogue One which I thought was better written and directed than the entire new trilogy.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited January 2022 Posts: 7,518
    Solo and Rogue One were both great. Solo is definitely underrated; it was great fun, great cast all around, great side characters (especially Enphys Nest), mature story, great set pieces, Kessel Run was extremely satisfyingly executed given the decades of hype. Similarly with NTTD, one of the low points actually I think was Paul Bettany as the villain whose name I cannot remember (case & point).
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    00Heaven wrote: »
    The whole of that scene is basically mirrored from the beginning. It's pretty cool :).

    Oh yeah, totally. I immediately picked up on the Safin/Bond parallel marching to the forest, with the key contrast being Safin=winter=dead and Bond=spring/summer=life. But the level of detail in it when they go inside the house — didn't get that until now. So good.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited January 2022 Posts: 2,897
    00Heaven wrote: »
    The whole of that scene is basically mirrored from the beginning. It's pretty cool :).

    Yes, there's even a rear-view shot of Bond going down the same wooded slope towards the house that mirrors the shot of Safin doing the same thing in the PTS.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    So I'm looking through the published script for NTTD and am just jotting down things I hadn't noticed before or that I consider Easter Eggs or similar. I hope this isn't the wrong thread for it, but given that there hasn't been any activity here in over a week and we have collected various things that aren't strictly Easter eggs, I hope this is fine.

    - I didn't know the Spectre symbol was called a "Septipus" (p. 12).
    - It's interesting that almost all of the exteriors in Matera have very specific location markers. Squares, street names. I don't know if this was already possible or has been done, but one could probably take this and quite easily follow the action on a map. Maybe a future project. (p. 7 ff.)
    - The secret MI6 lab apparently is called "C-minus-Two". Don't know what that refers to. (p. 19)
    - Bond walking down the dock with fish in his hand is specifically described as "A Bond we've never seen before", which half-way clashes with the idea that the shirt and the boat are callbacks to Venice in CR, doesn't it? (p. 27)
    - Obviously we know the "I will put a bullet in your knee. The one that works." line. I was just wondering, what is she referring to. I can't recall a specific knee injury and I don't think it ever comes up later that Bond has a bad knee. Is this just banter from Nomi? (p. 36)
    - Again a question of typo or not. The Valhalla is identified as the "DB003". In reality it had the codename "AM-RB 003". RB for Red Bull Racing, with whom Aston Martin collaborated on a few supercars (with the Valkyrie being the "AM-RB 001"). (p. 36)
    - It's kind of fascinating what is specified in the script and what isn't. The ship that picks up Bond after Ash's betrayel is specifically from CMA CGM (p. 60), earlier, it was specified that the car Leiter and Ash are in is a Ford Mondeo (callback to CR?) (p. 28). On the same page as the CMA CGM mention, it says "Bond (in windbreaker) lifts a sliding garage door to his lock up." which lacks detail from the finished film, but they specify the shipping company??
    - Description of Nomi's reaction upon seeing Madeleine apply the perfume: "Nomi sees her applying the perfume and thinks it’s ‘for’ Bond." I never read that scene that way. Interesting. (p. 81)
    - "Ash smiles like a fox eating shit from a wire brush." Sure. (p. 108)
    - Now that I've gotten to the part with the red vial, I realize that the shot of Safin taking the hair in Madeleine's office isn't in the script...
    - In the script, Safin's men are weeding the overgrown poison garden and not doing whatever they are doing in the water. (p. 113)
    - The pool in the bunkers is described as a "bacterial acid farm". That doesn't really help. (p. 120)
    - Finally one thing cleared up: The "tea" Madeleine is supposed to drink is indeed the plant that makes you compliant and it is specified as atropa belladonna, aka deadly nightshade. A quick wikipedia-ing identifies it as "one of the most toxic plants known" and it's effects "include dilated pupils, sensitivity to light, blurred vision, tachycardia, loss of balance, staggering, headache, rash, flushing, severely dry mouth and throat, slurred speech, urinary retention, constipation, confusion, hallucinations, delirium, and convulsions." Nasty stuff. (p. 122) And then it is made very clear that Madeleine is tricking Primo: "She shows him the flower floating in the cup. MADELEINE (CONT'D) (lying): It makes you blind." (p. 123)
    - And finally, it doesn't say: "Bond dies" or "Bond is blown up". The description is "A massive wave of explosions ripple towards Bond in a strobing and flashing cloud of light. From afar, the island is turned to dust." (p. 143-144) So maybe there is hope? (No, there isn't. Sorry.)
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    @ImpertinentGoon , I saw Nomi s "the one that works" as a reference to Craig s on set injury.

    And for the next Bond, Irma Bunt returns in Septipussy.
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