NO TIME TO DIE (2021) - Critical Reaction and Box Office Performance

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  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited January 2022 Posts: 4,292
    So NTTD should be roughly at $777M by now.

    In the UK Spidey is doing insane I believe it will become the 7th highest grossing film ever in the UK. This gives an idea of how big this event is. It’s way bigger than Infinity War.
  • Why is Spiderman being talked about so much on a Bond website?
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    Pleased to announce that No Time to Die ended up coming in at #4 on FilmSpeak's list of the top 10 films of 2021, which can be read here.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Why is Spiderman being talked about so much on a Bond website?

    This is a box office thread and spider man is a box office behemoth.
  • Why is Spiderman being talked about so much on a Bond website?

    Well he bested Bond....and his demographic succeeded where Bond's stalled.
  • Why is Spiderman being talked about so much on a Bond website?

    Well he bested Bond....and his demographic succeeded where Bond's stalled.

    Who seriously cares. I like Spiderman but this is a James Bond website. Bond has been around before Spiderman and will be around long after.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    They'll both be around for a long, long time. Spider-Man has an enormous fanbase, but there's no reason to feel "threatened" by Spider-Man, as a Bond fan. We talk about a lot of things on this forum. A massive film released around the same time as a new Bond film seems quite relevant to me.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Spidey was first published two months before DR NO hit theaters and the books had only been around for nine years

    They’re both old properties.
  • edited January 2022 Posts: 2,391
    My personal top 10 film list for 2021 (this was included in the tally for the FilmSpeak list above):

    10: Licorice Pizza
    9: Petite Maman
    8: Raya and the Last Dragon
    7: Titane
    6: King Richard
    5: Drive My Car
    4: Malcolm & Marie
    3: No Time to Die
    2: The Souvenir Part II
    1: Dune

    Sidenote: NTTD would have been my #1 film in almost ANY other year.
  • KenAustinKenAustin United States
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    I would have liked to see NTTD do a lot better in the box office, I'll just chalk it up to covid...2021 is a "non-year" in my opinion anyway. I do have some reservations that James Bond has a niche following of fans that are mostly older movie fans and profits are hit or miss depending on which topics and narratives are filtered into the scripts. At least that is what I've gathered from other media sources anyway...either way the film was good despite the ending that I was not a fan of...it was the only film I cared to see in 2021 even though I didn't watch it until last night.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited January 2022 Posts: 4,292
    Outside the US it did awesome at the boxoffice.

    Literally no one saw the film crossing the $600M mark overseas and in some EU countries its run has been outstanding, without mentioning the UK where, frankly, its performance has been jaw dropping.
  • KenAustinKenAustin United States
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    matt_u wrote: »
    Outside the US it did awesome at the boxoffice.

    I'm glad to hear that, I have not followed as closely as I normally do because of covid, but that said cinema in the US has been wishy washy at best for a number of years in my opinion, I think they are trying to hard to market to newer generations that are not really fans versus keeping an even and steady pace.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited January 2022 Posts: 1,863
    KenAustin wrote: »
    I think they are trying to hard to market to newer generations that are not really fans versus keeping an even and steady pace.

    With Bond 26, I suspect there'll be a concerted effort to give younger and new fans 'a Bond of their own' - someone that younger generations can identify with, project onto, aspire to, grow with, etc. It worked beyond all expectations with Craig, after all. Obviously, the juggling act will be to do that successfully while keeping enough existing fans happy. The difference this time is that they don't have the killer combination of Daniel Craig, Eva Green and Casino Royale. Still, it's going to be fascinating to see how this all plays out.
  • KenAustinKenAustin United States
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    Venutius wrote: »
    KenAustin wrote: »
    I think they are trying to hard to market to newer generations that are not really fans versus keeping an even and steady pace.

    With Bond 26, I suspect there'll be a concerted effort to give younger and new fans 'a Bond of their own' - someone that younger generations can identify with, project onto, aspire to, grow with, etc. It worked beyond all expectations with Craig, after all. Obviously, the juggling act will be to do that successfully while keeping enough existing fans happy. The difference this time is that they don't have the killer combination of Daniel Craig, Eva Green and Casino Royale. Still, it's going to be fascinating to see how this all plays out.

    I think as long as they keep continuity of character in place they will do just fine...selecting a marginally younger actor would be okay as long as he isn't too young, and I think with filming logistics and time lines it might be a good idea to write several scripts for approved upcoming films and film them back to back even if they stagger the release dates, that way the actor can certainly grow with the films and the audience.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    Venutius wrote: »
    KenAustin wrote: »
    I think they are trying to hard to market to newer generations that are not really fans versus keeping an even and steady pace.

    With Bond 26, I suspect there'll be a concerted effort to give younger and new fans 'a Bond of their own' - someone that younger generations can identify with, project onto, aspire to, grow with, etc. It worked beyond all expectations with Craig, after all. Obviously, the juggling act will be to do that successfully while keeping enough existing fans happy. The difference this time is that they don't have the killer combination of Daniel Craig, Eva Green and Casino Royale. Still, it's going to be fascinating to see how this all plays out.

    It's also highly likely that the new Bond, unlike Craig, will have an established and active social media presence, which may play well to younger audiences.

    Presumably potential candidates will be going over their socials with a fine tooth comb, and cleaning up everything that might be considered even slightly offensive.
  • KenAustinKenAustin United States
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    Red_Snow wrote: »
    Venutius wrote: »
    KenAustin wrote: »
    I think they are trying to hard to market to newer generations that are not really fans versus keeping an even and steady pace.

    With Bond 26, I suspect there'll be a concerted effort to give younger and new fans 'a Bond of their own' - someone that younger generations can identify with, project onto, aspire to, grow with, etc. It worked beyond all expectations with Craig, after all. Obviously, the juggling act will be to do that successfully while keeping enough existing fans happy. The difference this time is that they don't have the killer combination of Daniel Craig, Eva Green and Casino Royale. Still, it's going to be fascinating to see how this all plays out.

    It's also highly likely that the new Bond, unlike Craig, will have an established and active social media presence, which may play well to younger audiences.

    Presumably potential candidates will be going over their socials with a fine tooth comb, and cleaning up everything that might be considered even slightly offensive.

    Freedom of speech would be the least of my worries with a new Bond actor. Unless they are making statements that are completely off the rails I think it is lame how much people focus on that nonsense these days...take the case of Gina Carano from The Mandalorian, no reasonable person would take issue with the post she made comparing situations today with those from WWII. I'd view some comments made by other cast members a little more harsh than hers and people blew up at her so bad and demanded her removal as if it were some sort of elected position...to be honest I'd rather not see any social media content from an actor, I'd much rather enjoy their works on screen.
  • Top 10 English-language films of 2021 - Global Box-Office

    01. Spider-Man: No Way Home
    02. No Time to Die
    03. F9: The Fast Saga
    04. Venom: Let There Be Carnage
    05. Godzilla vs. Kong
    06. Shang-Chi and the Legend of the 10 Rings
    07. Eternals
    08. Dune
    09. Black Widow
    10. Free Guy

    Top 10 Films of 2021 - USA Box-Office

    01. Spider-Man: No Way Home
    02. Shang-Chi and the Legend of the 10 Rings
    03. Venom: Let There Be Carnage
    04. Black Widow
    05. F9: The Fast Saga
    06. Eternals
    07. No Time to Die
    08. A Quiet Place Part II
    09. Free Guy
    10. Ghostbusters: Afterlife
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Man. All you have to do is slap the Marvel brand and Americans show up as if it’s their sworn duty
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Cinema fast food.

    Not to say I don't really enjoy Marvel films, or fast food. ;)
  • RyanRyan Canada
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    007th place.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Ryan wrote: »
    007th place.

    My thinking exactly @Ryan.

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    matt_u wrote: »
    Outside the US it did awesome at the boxoffice.

    Literally no one saw the film crossing the $600M mark overseas and in some EU countries its run has been outstanding, without mentioning the UK where, frankly, its performance has been jaw dropping.

    Yep.Who knows,the film might actually break even and make a small profit some day!

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    Man. All you have to do is slap the Marvel brand and Americans show up as if it’s their sworn duty

    No kidding. When I want to the theater a few weeks ago to see Matrix, there was a MASSIVE line for Spider-Man.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited January 2022 Posts: 4,292
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    Outside the US it did awesome at the boxoffice.

    Literally no one saw the film crossing the $600M mark overseas and in some EU countries its run has been outstanding, without mentioning the UK where, frankly, its performance has been jaw dropping.

    Yep.Who knows,the film might actually break even and make a small profit some day!

    Yeah I bet it will need another 60 years to achieve that..!
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited January 2022 Posts: 4,292
    The updated total cume of NTTD in the UK after 13 weeks at the box office is £96,555,145.

    That's just £6.3 million shy of SF's record breaking 2012 gross. Insane.

    Just for the record, SF played for 28 weeks while SP played for 20. Times are changed, with all those earlier PVOD options.
  • KenAustinKenAustin United States
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    As long as the studio reports a profit from the film I usually steer away from talk of money made in the box office, it is misleading when comparing to earlier films because it costs more to go to theaters now than it did in the past. If the studios could somehow report on the number of attendees in the first week that might be a better measure in my opinion.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    KenAustin wrote: »
    As long as the studio reports a profit from the film I usually steer away from talk of money made in the box office, it is misleading when comparing to earlier films because it costs more to go to theaters now than it did in the past. If the studios could somehow report on the number of attendees in the first week that might be a better measure in my opinion.

    Even that wouldn’t be a reliable indicator, because film distribution has changed in the past 60 years. Then there’s the fact that the human population more than doubled since 1962.
  • KenAustinKenAustin United States
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    KenAustin wrote: »
    As long as the studio reports a profit from the film I usually steer away from talk of money made in the box office, it is misleading when comparing to earlier films because it costs more to go to theaters now than it did in the past. If the studios could somehow report on the number of attendees in the first week that might be a better measure in my opinion.

    Even that wouldn’t be a reliable indicator, because film distribution has changed in the past 60 years. Then there’s the fact that the human population more than doubled since 1962.

    Population density doesn't correlate to film interests, I doubt people go to films just because there are too many people. I also somehow doubt people are forced to go...but when it cost $3 for a movie 40 years ago and the same movie cost $15 to watch in theater today, having the studios brag about the dollar amount made in box offices seems irrelevant.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited January 2022 Posts: 6,846
    Sure, it’s always been like that. EON used to refer to MR as their highest grossing Bond film, even though by that point it was probably TB when adjusted.

    Adjusting for inflation, NTTD would probably be among lower part of the top ten along with DAF, MR, and CR. The film that remains #1 adjusted is SF.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    Sure, it’s always been like that. EON used to refer to MR as their highest grossing Bond film, even though by that point it was probably TB when adjusted.

    Adjusting for inflation, NTTD would probably be among lower part of the top ten along with DAF, MR, and CR. The film that remains #1 adjusted is SF.

    Yes NTTD will end up 11th pretty close to DAF ($786M) and MR ($795M), adjusting for September 2021 inflation.
    In the end Craig's last film will gross almost the same as Connery's last Bond EoN film, 50 years later.
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