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I do think that she’s being diplomatic. Do I state that as a fact? No, but I do think it very likely.
Possibly but I doubt it. You people and guys like @thelivingroyale crack me up. The same thing he's accusing me of, setting myself up for disappointment is exactly what he's doing to himself. This isn't just about not liking what is a terrible idea but going off the fact that the character will remain as faithful to how he has always been. At least I have sound and legitimate reasons as to why I think Bond #7 will be white. What are the reasons that make you people so sure he won't? What, because it's about time Bond was portrayed other than white? Lol, no. When they cast the new actor, probably some white guy born in South Kensington I'll be sure to remind you that I told you so.
For me, I've now read several articles with Ms. Broccoli, and she has repeated this statement that Bond can be a man of any race or ethnicity... It's not an off the cuff quote from her... She's repeated it, as if bringing attention to the possibility. And yes, it has me wondering: is she leaning into this when she casts?....
The world is changing, as are cinema's general audiences. It wouldn't be hard to imagine that the new James Bond physically represents the ever-changing world.
On a personal note: I don't care who they choose; it's out of my hands so I barely give the idea much thought unless I chat with certain members or come on this thread.
EoN seems quite gifted at casting their leading man, so I trust this will continue moving forth.
Based on what? You're saying she's not telling the truth, I don't see any reason to think that of anyone who hasn't been a habitual liar.
I don't think it's very pleasant to claim to laugh at people, it shows a certain intolerance for the opinions of others. And livingroyale isn't setting themselves up for disappointment at all, they're just stating a possibility. I don't think there's a preference even been stated.
I think it could be interesting to do it, but if it's a white guy I won't be upset. I do just hope it's someone interesting in some way.
I don't think you're reading what's been typed properly. No-one is sure, we're just saying it's a potential, for the reasons stated: a rather major one being that the person most responsible for picking the next guy has said she may well consider it. You've decided that she's not being truthful for some reason (even though she has equally very clearly spelt out that she's not interested in looking at a female), which really is setting yourself up for potential disappointment if she does decide to go that way. I won't be disappointed by any race chosen because I've actually listened to her and taken her words onboard; the only thing which could disappoint me would be the talent of the specific guy.
I would imagine it's true, it would be very awkward if some agent put their client forward and then said Eon had been lying about it and their client was dismissed out of hand. But she's left options open there quite wisely: they may well come across a white guy who is a million times better than any other option and go with him. The last time they were looking for a young guy and ended up with a guy in his late thirties, don't forget.
People are too sensitive and quick to label others with a derogatory moniker which can cause alot more damage now more than ever. I'm sure the last thing Babs wants is to be remotely linked as a racist for overtly or even covertly suggesting Bond will always be a white man, everyone else need not bother applying. She'd have to be an idiot to fall into that trap, especially in this social media crazed world where it'll trend for days that James Bond producer is a racist for not wanting a black, brown, choose any colour other than white Bond. Bond-related news is in the press for dar less. Of course Babs will continue the narrative of Bond being any ethnicity. She's not dumb.
@mtm and I will continue to laugh, not out of maliciousness or me being a dick but out of amazement that you people are suggesting that because Babs said what she said it must be true. Really? People in Hollywood lie all the time. This is nothing new. The Bond producers and actors lie all the time. Yeah, Blofeld isn't going to be in SP. Till date Andrew Garfield is denying he's involved in the new spider-man film but sure, let's believe them and take their word at face value...because they said. I cant believe my stance on this is even an issue to some. Anyway it's fine, whatever. Everyone is obviously free to beieve what they want.
However, in these interviews, it seems as she's setting rules; I think she's tired of hearing: will there ever be a female James Bond.
And she's been clear: no.
It's pretty hard for the corporate media to continue this line of questioning (although they continue to put in the effort). As an aside, no one called Barbara a misogynist for closing this door.
But she has stated, with no guns being pointed at her head, that Bond can be a man of any race or ethnicity. Repeatedly.
Unlike closing the door on a female James Bond, she just opened the door for the first James Bond who is not white.
Within the film industry, her words carry weight. I could be wrong, but I don't remember another time that this has been stated by the Bond producers, nor so succinctly: James Bond can be of any race. This is as clear as a statement that a woman will never be James Bond.
This brings a spotlight onto her, and people have taken note. This wasn't a slip of the tongue, nor do I think she is bluffing, nor being diplomatic. What I know of her seems to suggest that what she reveals to the media/public only comes after careful consideration.
I think she's opened the door and is inviting all to audition for the role...
She was happy to say that Bond won't be a woman, though, even at a risk of being accused of being a sexist.
So if she said they were only looking at white actors you'd disbelieve her on that too?
There's no reason to think she's lying other than, as far as I can see, wishful thinking. Don't forget, I may well be the one saying I told you so in a few months' time.
Those are spoilers for specific film plots, protecting those is what storytellers do, it's not really the same thing at all.
I think if you're having to say that people are lying and then dismissively laughing at other forum members for giving their thoughts, then it's understandable that folks may raise objections to that, surely.
It's basically a 50/50 case. Either she plays the game and 'lies', if you will. Or, she really has opened the taboo door. Like I stated in my previous post I would be done with Bond until they got their heads right again. Other than that, the only Bond film I truly loved the past years was CR. Before that GE. Craig isn't my type of Bond, so I'm not really holding my breath. To each their own. Apart from that, I am forever grateful for the superb Bond films I wholeheartedly love such as GF and TLD, to name a few. They will always be there, like an old loyal friend.
Fair enough and hey, I have no doubt that she'll invite every British actor from every ethnic background to be considered, I just think she already knows what her decision will be when it comes to the actor's ethnicity.
Not really, because we never said we’d prefer a POC to get it. I’ve suggested tons of white actors on here over the years, and I’ve said many times that I’m sure whoever it is will be great, because I don’t think they’ve misfired with the casting. Me and @mtm have also agreed in the past that looks aren’t overly important when it comes to casting Bond. So, I don’t see how we’re setting ourselves up for disappointment, seeing as we’re fairly open minded about the casting. We just said it was a possibility. You’re the one desperately trying to convince yourself it’ll be cast the way you want, even ignoring quotes from the horse’s mouth telling you otherwise.
And if she wasn’t allowed to say “Bond is white”, then why was she allowed to say he’s staying a man? A female Bond is a pretty popular suggestion in the media, and female led reboots are a bit of a trend at the minute. Shouldn’t she get “cancelled” for being sexist? I could be wrong of course. Maybe she is lying and being diplomatic. I don’t think that’s likely at all, but who knows. What you can’t say though is that you know that for certain. Even if you refuse to take her word on it, the amount of fans who would be fine with a POC getting the role, and some of the most popular suggestions in recent years (Idris Elba, Henry Golding, Rene Jean Page) should show you that “Bond can be played by any ethnicity” is an entirely valid perspective held by a lot of people. It’s absolutely projection to assume Barbara would never possibly agree with rhat perspective, with literally no evidence, and with multiple quotes saying the opposite. Even if she is lying, you don’t know.
To be clear, that’s an observation, not an accusation.
I don't believe so no. Times have changed and I believe they'll be looking at other ethnicities for the part (Sope Dirisu is somebody I can see quite easily as Bond). This franchise has recast Moneypenny and Felix with non white actors so there's a precedent of sorts anyway.
Also, the comparison to Barbara dismissing Bond as a woman isn't the same as her outright saying Bond is and will forever be a white man. The 2 aren't remotely the same. You're comparing apples to otanges.
I will say it I hope you are right. but I think you are wrong that being said let me be clear I would still give a bond of color a shot to see if he impresses me.
if he does great.. if not shrugs is what it is.
If they choose a Poc your reaction will be interesting because quite frankly I have a feeling it will happen.
Are you able to express why they're different? They seem extremely similar, and her different answers are rather striking.
James Bond is a man, the whole world knows this, just like the whole world knows Mickey mouse is a mouse and not a giraffe. Making James Bond a woman is just a stupid idea and is an infinitely worse notion than changing Bond's ethnicity. Fortunately the world isn't too far gone for there to be outrage to keep a man what he is. It's a far easier and cleaner dismissal of Bond being a woman than it is to say, "Folks, we the producers hereby are thrilled to let you all know that James Bond will never be a person of colour. Stick that up your dojo and we look forward to seeing you in cinemas. Thanks, bye".
However, with ethnicity there's more flexibility and hypothetical components to toy around with as a possibility that'll keep the Bond chatter perpetually going but it doesn't mean it'll actually happen.
Yes I agree, there is indeed flexibility in his race and a possibility it will happen then. That's all we've been saying, glad you understand.
Plot twist, ethnicity doesn't equal race.
That’s not relevant to the post you quoted.
And it is indeed what Ms Broccoli said, as I and others have pointed out, so why you think that’s some kind of killing blow to point that out is beyond me.
Let's face it: A lot of hardcore Bond fans are extremely conservative. This is mainly where the dissent comes from. The general audience is more than open for a black Bond.
Yeah I think you're right: and that makes sense really- fans are only fans because they liked the way it used to be. That's not a criticism, it's just the nature of fandom. So a larger subset of fans will be opposed to change than the general audience are.
They are not the same. That is all.
The general audience isn't black and white about it. Pun intended. A lot do care and a lot don't. Wouldn't be surprised if it's about the same in % as on here.