Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @JeremyBondon my Dad passionately disliked Lazenby and called Moore The Saint, and not James Bond; I didn't particularly enjoy the Brosnan Era... But we call ourselves Bond fans... That's what makes this series quite special: it's a very big tent and it continues to make sure, whether you like choices made, or not, that it continues to evolve. And it evolves faster now than at any time in cinema history since audiences have also grown and changed. If James Bond is a man that represents today, it's inevitable that men of varied races and ethnicities will be auditioned (it's my feeling we will see a lot of them when the audition process begins), and if one is the perfect actor who beat out his competitors, EoN, Broccoli, MGM/Amazon won't hesitate to make history and cast the first Bond of color.
  • peter wrote: »
    @Jimjambond ... I honestly don't know what is going on in Barbara Broccoli's brain; I have a friend who is quite close to the family and he has described her as highly intelligent, genuine and a lovely soul. But outside of that I've no idea what's running through her head.

    However, in these interviews, it seems as she's setting rules; I think she's tired of hearing: will there ever be a female James Bond.

    And she's been clear: no.

    It's pretty hard for the corporate media to continue this line of questioning (although they continue to put in the effort). As an aside, no one called Barbara a misogynist for closing this door.

    But she has stated, with no guns being pointed at her head, that Bond can be a man of any race or ethnicity. Repeatedly.

    Unlike closing the door on a female James Bond, she just opened the door for the first James Bond who is not white.

    Within the film industry, her words carry weight. I could be wrong, but I don't remember another time that this has been stated by the Bond producers, nor so succinctly: James Bond can be of any race. This is as clear as a statement that a woman will never be James Bond.

    This brings a spotlight onto her, and people have taken note. This wasn't a slip of the tongue, nor do I think she is bluffing, nor being diplomatic. What I know of her seems to suggest that what she reveals to the media/public only comes after careful consideration.

    I think she's opened the door and is inviting all to audition for the role...

    Fair enough and hey, I have no doubt that she'll invite every British actor from every ethnic background to be considered, I just think she already knows what her decision will be when it comes to the actor's ethnicity.
  • Jimjambond wrote: »
    Possibly but I doubt it. You people and guys like @thelivingroyale crack me up. The same thing he's accusing me of, setting myself up for disappointment is exactly what he's doing to himself.

    Not really, because we never said we’d prefer a POC to get it. I’ve suggested tons of white actors on here over the years, and I’ve said many times that I’m sure whoever it is will be great, because I don’t think they’ve misfired with the casting. Me and @mtm have also agreed in the past that looks aren’t overly important when it comes to casting Bond. So, I don’t see how we’re setting ourselves up for disappointment, seeing as we’re fairly open minded about the casting. We just said it was a possibility. You’re the one desperately trying to convince yourself it’ll be cast the way you want, even ignoring quotes from the horse’s mouth telling you otherwise.

    And if she wasn’t allowed to say “Bond is white”, then why was she allowed to say he’s staying a man? A female Bond is a pretty popular suggestion in the media, and female led reboots are a bit of a trend at the minute. Shouldn’t she get “cancelled” for being sexist? I could be wrong of course. Maybe she is lying and being diplomatic. I don’t think that’s likely at all, but who knows. What you can’t say though is that you know that for certain. Even if you refuse to take her word on it, the amount of fans who would be fine with a POC getting the role, and some of the most popular suggestions in recent years (Idris Elba, Henry Golding, Rene Jean Page) should show you that “Bond can be played by any ethnicity” is an entirely valid perspective held by a lot of people. It’s absolutely projection to assume Barbara would never possibly agree with rhat perspective, with literally no evidence, and with multiple quotes saying the opposite. Even if she is lying, you don’t know.
  • 00Heaven00Heaven Home
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    Does any Bond historian know if a POC has auditioned for the part before? If not I must admit that's a little saddening.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    edited December 2021 Posts: 6,659
    To borrow from the term a “soft reboot “ , often being diplomatic is telling a “soft lie”

    To be clear, that’s an observation, not an accusation.
  • baerrttbaerrtt United kingdom
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    00Heaven wrote: »
    Does any Bond historian know if a POC has auditioned for the part before? If not I must admit that's a little saddening.

    I don't believe so no. Times have changed and I believe they'll be looking at other ethnicities for the part (Sope Dirisu is somebody I can see quite easily as Bond). This franchise has recast Moneypenny and Felix with non white actors so there's a precedent of sorts anyway.
  • Ancillary characters don't carry the same weight the lead character of a 70 year old IP. Bond isn't going to be anything but white. Mark my words.

    Also, the comparison to Barbara dismissing Bond as a woman isn't the same as her outright saying Bond is and will forever be a white man. The 2 aren't remotely the same. You're comparing apples to otanges.
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    Jimjambond wrote: »
    Ancillary characters don't carry the same weight the lead character of a 70 year old IP. Bond isn't going to be anything but white. Mark my words.

    Also, the comparison to Barbara dismissing Bond as a woman isn't the same as her outright saying Bond is and will forever be a white man. The 2 aren't remotely the same. You're comparing apples to otanges.

    I will say it I hope you are right. but I think you are wrong that being said let me be clear I would still give a bond of color a shot to see if he impresses me.

    if he does great.. if not shrugs is what it is.
  • baerrttbaerrtt United kingdom
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    Jimjambond wrote: »
    Ancillary characters don't carry the same weight the lead character of a 70 year old IP. Bond isn't going to be anything but white. Mark my words.

    Also, the comparison to Barbara dismissing Bond as a woman isn't the same as her outright saying Bond is and will forever be a white man. The 2 aren't remotely the same. You're comparing apples to otanges.

    If they choose a Poc your reaction will be interesting because quite frankly I have a feeling it will happen.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Jimjambond wrote: »
    Ancillary characters don't carry the same weight the lead character of a 70 year old IP. Bond isn't going to be anything but white. Mark my words.

    Also, the comparison to Barbara dismissing Bond as a woman isn't the same as her outright saying Bond is and will forever be a white man. The 2 aren't remotely the same. You're comparing apples to otanges.

    Are you able to express why they're different? They seem extremely similar, and her different answers are rather striking.
  • mtm wrote: »
    Jimjambond wrote: »
    Ancillary characters don't carry the same weight the lead character of a 70 year old IP. Bond isn't going to be anything but white. Mark my words.

    Also, the comparison to Barbara dismissing Bond as a woman isn't the same as her outright saying Bond is and will forever be a white man. The 2 aren't remotely the same. You're comparing apples to otanges.

    Are you able to express why they're different? They seem extremely similar, and her different answers are rather striking.

    James Bond is a man, the whole world knows this, just like the whole world knows Mickey mouse is a mouse and not a giraffe. Making James Bond a woman is just a stupid idea and is an infinitely worse notion than changing Bond's ethnicity. Fortunately the world isn't too far gone for there to be outrage to keep a man what he is. It's a far easier and cleaner dismissal of Bond being a woman than it is to say, "Folks, we the producers hereby are thrilled to let you all know that James Bond will never be a person of colour. Stick that up your dojo and we look forward to seeing you in cinemas. Thanks, bye".
    However, with ethnicity there's more flexibility and hypothetical components to toy around with as a possibility that'll keep the Bond chatter perpetually going but it doesn't mean it'll actually happen.
  • baerrtt wrote: »
    Jimjambond wrote: »
    Ancillary characters don't carry the same weight the lead character of a 70 year old IP. Bond isn't going to be anything but white. Mark my words.

    Also, the comparison to Barbara dismissing Bond as a woman isn't the same as her outright saying Bond is and will forever be a white man. The 2 aren't remotely the same. You're comparing apples to otanges.

    If they choose a Poc your reaction will be interesting because quite frankly I have a feeling it will happen.
    I have zero doubt that the next Bond actor will be a white man. We can see a parade of non white British actors being suggested all day long but it's a smoke screen...and when I'm proven right, just remember this moment.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Jimjambond wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Jimjambond wrote: »
    Ancillary characters don't carry the same weight the lead character of a 70 year old IP. Bond isn't going to be anything but white. Mark my words.

    Also, the comparison to Barbara dismissing Bond as a woman isn't the same as her outright saying Bond is and will forever be a white man. The 2 aren't remotely the same. You're comparing apples to otanges.

    Are you able to express why they're different? They seem extremely similar, and her different answers are rather striking.

    James Bond is a man, the whole world knows this, just like the whole world knows Mickey mouse is a mouse and not a giraffe. Making James Bond a woman is just a stupid idea and is an infinitely worse notion than changing Bond's ethnicity. Fortunately the world isn't too far gone for there to be outrage to keep a man what he is. It's a far easier and cleaner dismissal of Bond being a woman than it is to say, "Folks, we the producers hereby are thrilled to let you all know that James Bond will never be a person of colour. Stick that up your dojo and we look forward to seeing you in cinemas. Thanks, bye".
    However, with ethnicity there's more flexibility and hypothetical components to toy around with as a possibility that'll keep the Bond chatter perpetually going but it doesn't mean it'll actually happen.

    Yes I agree, there is indeed flexibility in his race and a possibility it will happen then. That's all we've been saying, glad you understand.
  • JeremyBondonJeremyBondon Seeking out odd jobs with Oddjob @Tangier
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    mtm wrote: »
    Jimjambond wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Jimjambond wrote: »
    Ancillary characters don't carry the same weight the lead character of a 70 year old IP. Bond isn't going to be anything but white. Mark my words.

    Also, the comparison to Barbara dismissing Bond as a woman isn't the same as her outright saying Bond is and will forever be a white man. The 2 aren't remotely the same. You're comparing apples to otanges.

    Are you able to express why they're different? They seem extremely similar, and her different answers are rather striking.

    James Bond is a man, the whole world knows this, just like the whole world knows Mickey mouse is a mouse and not a giraffe. Making James Bond a woman is just a stupid idea and is an infinitely worse notion than changing Bond's ethnicity. Fortunately the world isn't too far gone for there to be outrage to keep a man what he is. It's a far easier and cleaner dismissal of Bond being a woman than it is to say, "Folks, we the producers hereby are thrilled to let you all know that James Bond will never be a person of colour. Stick that up your dojo and we look forward to seeing you in cinemas. Thanks, bye".
    However, with ethnicity there's more flexibility and hypothetical components to toy around with as a possibility that'll keep the Bond chatter perpetually going but it doesn't mean it'll actually happen.

    Yes I agree, there is indeed flexibility in his race and a possibility it will happen then. That's all we've been saying, glad you understand.

    Plot twist, ethnicity doesn't equal race.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited December 2021 Posts: 11,128
    mtm wrote: »
    Jimjambond wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Jimjambond wrote: »
    Ancillary characters don't carry the same weight the lead character of a 70 year old IP. Bond isn't going to be anything but white. Mark my words.

    Also, the comparison to Barbara dismissing Bond as a woman isn't the same as her outright saying Bond is and will forever be a white man. The 2 aren't remotely the same. You're comparing apples to otanges.

    Are you able to express why they're different? They seem extremely similar, and her different answers are rather striking.

    James Bond is a man, the whole world knows this, just like the whole world knows Mickey mouse is a mouse and not a giraffe. Making James Bond a woman is just a stupid idea and is an infinitely worse notion than changing Bond's ethnicity. Fortunately the world isn't too far gone for there to be outrage to keep a man what he is. It's a far easier and cleaner dismissal of Bond being a woman than it is to say, "Folks, we the producers hereby are thrilled to let you all know that James Bond will never be a person of colour. Stick that up your dojo and we look forward to seeing you in cinemas. Thanks, bye".
    However, with ethnicity there's more flexibility and hypothetical components to toy around with as a possibility that'll keep the Bond chatter perpetually going but it doesn't mean it'll actually happen.

    Yes I agree, there is indeed flexibility in his race and a possibility it will happen then. That's all we've been saying, glad you understand.

    Plot twist, ethnicity doesn't equal race.

    That’s not relevant to the post you quoted.
    And it is indeed what Ms Broccoli said, as I and others have pointed out, so why you think that’s some kind of killing blow to point that out is beyond me.
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    mtm wrote: »
    Jimjambond wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Jimjambond wrote: »
    Ancillary characters don't carry the same weight the lead character of a 70 year old IP. Bond isn't going to be anything but white. Mark my words.

    Also, the comparison to Barbara dismissing Bond as a woman isn't the same as her outright saying Bond is and will forever be a white man. The 2 aren't remotely the same. You're comparing apples to otanges.

    Are you able to express why they're different? They seem extremely similar, and her different answers are rather striking.

    James Bond is a man, the whole world knows this, just like the whole world knows Mickey mouse is a mouse and not a giraffe. Making James Bond a woman is just a stupid idea and is an infinitely worse notion than changing Bond's ethnicity. Fortunately the world isn't too far gone for there to be outrage to keep a man what he is. It's a far easier and cleaner dismissal of Bond being a woman than it is to say, "Folks, we the producers hereby are thrilled to let you all know that James Bond will never be a person of colour. Stick that up your dojo and we look forward to seeing you in cinemas. Thanks, bye".
    However, with ethnicity there's more flexibility and hypothetical components to toy around with as a possibility that'll keep the Bond chatter perpetually going but it doesn't mean it'll actually happen.

    Yes I agree, there is indeed flexibility in his race and a possibility it will happen then. That's all we've been saying, glad you understand.


    ;))
  • edited December 2021 Posts: 1,160
    I don’t see what the big deal is about a POC Bond. Just about every person I’ve spoken to about it is on board with the idea. As long as he’s British, handsome, charming, suave, convincing as a cold blooded killer, etc. there’ll be no complaints. I think it’s a fairly small subset of the overall audience that is opposed to the idea and if the actor gives a good performance they’ll come around. Obviously there’ll always be those who will never accept it no matter how good the portrayal is, but who really cares about what they think?
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    I don’t see what the big deal is about a POC Bond. Just about every person I’ve spoken to about it is on board with the idea. As long as he’s British, handsome, charming, suave, convincing as a cold blooded killer, etc. there’ll be no complaints. I think it’s a fairly small subset of the overall audience that is opposed to the idea and if the actor gives a good performance they’ll come around. Obviously there’ll always be those who will never accept it no matter how good the portrayal is, but who really cares about what they think?


    Let's face it: A lot of hardcore Bond fans are extremely conservative. This is mainly where the dissent comes from. The general audience is more than open for a black Bond.
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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    jobo wrote: »
    I don’t see what the big deal is about a POC Bond. Just about every person I’ve spoken to about it is on board with the idea. As long as he’s British, handsome, charming, suave, convincing as a cold blooded killer, etc. there’ll be no complaints. I think it’s a fairly small subset of the overall audience that is opposed to the idea and if the actor gives a good performance they’ll come around. Obviously there’ll always be those who will never accept it no matter how good the portrayal is, but who really cares about what they think?


    Let's face it: A lot of hardcore Bond fans are extremely conservative. This is mainly where the dissent comes from. The general audience is more than open for a black Bond.

    Yeah I think you're right: and that makes sense really- fans are only fans because they liked the way it used to be. That's not a criticism, it's just the nature of fandom. So a larger subset of fans will be opposed to change than the general audience are.
  • JeremyBondonJeremyBondon Seeking out odd jobs with Oddjob @Tangier
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    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Jimjambond wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Jimjambond wrote: »
    Ancillary characters don't carry the same weight the lead character of a 70 year old IP. Bond isn't going to be anything but white. Mark my words.

    Also, the comparison to Barbara dismissing Bond as a woman isn't the same as her outright saying Bond is and will forever be a white man. The 2 aren't remotely the same. You're comparing apples to otanges.

    Are you able to express why they're different? They seem extremely similar, and her different answers are rather striking.

    James Bond is a man, the whole world knows this, just like the whole world knows Mickey mouse is a mouse and not a giraffe. Making James Bond a woman is just a stupid idea and is an infinitely worse notion than changing Bond's ethnicity. Fortunately the world isn't too far gone for there to be outrage to keep a man what he is. It's a far easier and cleaner dismissal of Bond being a woman than it is to say, "Folks, we the producers hereby are thrilled to let you all know that James Bond will never be a person of colour. Stick that up your dojo and we look forward to seeing you in cinemas. Thanks, bye".
    However, with ethnicity there's more flexibility and hypothetical components to toy around with as a possibility that'll keep the Bond chatter perpetually going but it doesn't mean it'll actually happen.

    Yes I agree, there is indeed flexibility in his race and a possibility it will happen then. That's all we've been saying, glad you understand.

    Plot twist, ethnicity doesn't equal race.

    That’s not relevant to the post you quoted.
    And it is indeed what Ms Broccoli said, as I and others have pointed out, so why you think that’s some kind of killing blow to point that out is beyond me.

    They are not the same. That is all.
    mtm wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    I don’t see what the big deal is about a POC Bond. Just about every person I’ve spoken to about it is on board with the idea. As long as he’s British, handsome, charming, suave, convincing as a cold blooded killer, etc. there’ll be no complaints. I think it’s a fairly small subset of the overall audience that is opposed to the idea and if the actor gives a good performance they’ll come around. Obviously there’ll always be those who will never accept it no matter how good the portrayal is, but who really cares about what they think?


    Let's face it: A lot of hardcore Bond fans are extremely conservative. This is mainly where the dissent comes from. The general audience is more than open for a black Bond.

    Yeah I think you're right: and that makes sense really- fans are only fans because they liked the way it used to be. That's not a criticism, it's just the nature of fandom. So a larger subset of fans will be opposed to change than the general audience are.

    The general audience isn't black and white about it. Pun intended. A lot do care and a lot don't. Wouldn't be surprised if it's about the same in % as on here.
  • edited December 2021 Posts: 12,717
    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Jimjambond wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Jimjambond wrote: »
    Ancillary characters don't carry the same weight the lead character of a 70 year old IP. Bond isn't going to be anything but white. Mark my words.

    Also, the comparison to Barbara dismissing Bond as a woman isn't the same as her outright saying Bond is and will forever be a white man. The 2 aren't remotely the same. You're comparing apples to otanges.

    Are you able to express why they're different? They seem extremely similar, and her different answers are rather striking.

    James Bond is a man, the whole world knows this, just like the whole world knows Mickey mouse is a mouse and not a giraffe. Making James Bond a woman is just a stupid idea and is an infinitely worse notion than changing Bond's ethnicity. Fortunately the world isn't too far gone for there to be outrage to keep a man what he is. It's a far easier and cleaner dismissal of Bond being a woman than it is to say, "Folks, we the producers hereby are thrilled to let you all know that James Bond will never be a person of colour. Stick that up your dojo and we look forward to seeing you in cinemas. Thanks, bye".
    However, with ethnicity there's more flexibility and hypothetical components to toy around with as a possibility that'll keep the Bond chatter perpetually going but it doesn't mean it'll actually happen.

    Yes I agree, there is indeed flexibility in his race and a possibility it will happen then. That's all we've been saying, glad you understand.

    Plot twist, ethnicity doesn't equal race.

    That’s not relevant to the post you quoted.
    And it is indeed what Ms Broccoli said, as I and others have pointed out, so why you think that’s some kind of killing blow to point that out is beyond me.

    They are not the same. That is all.
    mtm wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    I don’t see what the big deal is about a POC Bond. Just about every person I’ve spoken to about it is on board with the idea. As long as he’s British, handsome, charming, suave, convincing as a cold blooded killer, etc. there’ll be no complaints. I think it’s a fairly small subset of the overall audience that is opposed to the idea and if the actor gives a good performance they’ll come around. Obviously there’ll always be those who will never accept it no matter how good the portrayal is, but who really cares about what they think?


    Let's face it: A lot of hardcore Bond fans are extremely conservative. This is mainly where the dissent comes from. The general audience is more than open for a black Bond.

    Yeah I think you're right: and that makes sense really- fans are only fans because they liked the way it used to be. That's not a criticism, it's just the nature of fandom. So a larger subset of fans will be opposed to change than the general audience are.

    The general audience isn't black and white about it. Pun intended. A lot do care and a lot don't. Wouldn't be surprised if it's about the same in % as on here.

    I’m fine if they change it up and fine if they stick with white guys, but if they do change his race, then I think it’ll much more popular an idea than it is on here. I’m sure there’d be a backlash, but the discourse around this sort of thing is always mostly in online spheres. Most people probably don’t even know Bond was based on a book series, nevermind caring about how faithful it is. I think the vast majority just want to see a good film, and even most of those who will swear to “never watch Bond again” would probably see it out of curiosity (look at when they turned Doctor Who into a woman, a lot of moaning online, but then it got the biggest ratings it’d seen for years).

    Might lose them a few Daily Mail readers, but the publicity it’d grab, and the potential of using that publicity to win over the younger demographic Bond has been struggling with, would outweigh the risk of that imo. I think it could be good for the success of the series, providing the film was good (again to use Doctor Who as an example, almost all those new viewers then stopped watching it again because it was dire).
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 11,128
    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Jimjambond wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Jimjambond wrote: »
    Ancillary characters don't carry the same weight the lead character of a 70 year old IP. Bond isn't going to be anything but white. Mark my words.

    Also, the comparison to Barbara dismissing Bond as a woman isn't the same as her outright saying Bond is and will forever be a white man. The 2 aren't remotely the same. You're comparing apples to otanges.

    Are you able to express why they're different? They seem extremely similar, and her different answers are rather striking.

    James Bond is a man, the whole world knows this, just like the whole world knows Mickey mouse is a mouse and not a giraffe. Making James Bond a woman is just a stupid idea and is an infinitely worse notion than changing Bond's ethnicity. Fortunately the world isn't too far gone for there to be outrage to keep a man what he is. It's a far easier and cleaner dismissal of Bond being a woman than it is to say, "Folks, we the producers hereby are thrilled to let you all know that James Bond will never be a person of colour. Stick that up your dojo and we look forward to seeing you in cinemas. Thanks, bye".
    However, with ethnicity there's more flexibility and hypothetical components to toy around with as a possibility that'll keep the Bond chatter perpetually going but it doesn't mean it'll actually happen.

    Yes I agree, there is indeed flexibility in his race and a possibility it will happen then. That's all we've been saying, glad you understand.

    Plot twist, ethnicity doesn't equal race.

    That’s not relevant to the post you quoted.
    And it is indeed what Ms Broccoli said, as I and others have pointed out, so why you think that’s some kind of killing blow to point that out is beyond me.

    They are not the same. That is all.

    Yes that’s what we’re saying, glad you agree. The Broccolis won’t change one but they may change the other.
    As you say, that is all, no need to speak about it any further.
    mtm wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    I don’t see what the big deal is about a POC Bond. Just about every person I’ve spoken to about it is on board with the idea. As long as he’s British, handsome, charming, suave, convincing as a cold blooded killer, etc. there’ll be no complaints. I think it’s a fairly small subset of the overall audience that is opposed to the idea and if the actor gives a good performance they’ll come around. Obviously there’ll always be those who will never accept it no matter how good the portrayal is, but who really cares about what they think?


    Let's face it: A lot of hardcore Bond fans are extremely conservative. This is mainly where the dissent comes from. The general audience is more than open for a black Bond.

    Yeah I think you're right: and that makes sense really- fans are only fans because they liked the way it used to be. That's not a criticism, it's just the nature of fandom. So a larger subset of fans will be opposed to change than the general audience are.

    The general audience isn't black and white about it. Pun intended. A lot do care and a lot don't. Wouldn't be surprised if it's about the same in % as on here.

    No I think that’s unlikely, fans and the general audience quite often have different priorities. Fans are certainly less progressive by their very nature, it’s just logical.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited December 2021 Posts: 1,471
    Plot twist, ethnicity doesn't equal race.
    True. English, Scottish, Welsh - all British, all the same race, but different ethnic groups. So BB's comment that Bond can be any British 'ethnicity' isn't a reference to race, it's saying the actor can be English, Scots, Welsh or Northern Irish. Technically, anyway. But we know what she really meant - because who speaks in strict technical terminology all the time? She says 'franchise' when she means 'series', after all! ;)
  • My number 1 choice: Jack Lowden

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  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Jimjambond wrote: »
    My number 1 choice: Jack Lowden

    Jack-Lowden.jpg

    Absolutely, he’s very high on my lists of potential Bonds

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  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe Moderator
    edited December 2021 Posts: 12,784
    I really wouldn’t use Doctor Who as any kind of ‘how to’. People were told that if they didn’t like it, then don’t watch it. They certainly did that. Even the defence of looking at the consolodated figures, instead of the overnight figures, doesn’t hold up. They might have lost Daily Mail readers, but at least they earned Twitter followers....

    And let’s not be so short sighted to fling poo at only one demographic. Articles were so quick to pile on and go after the fans that were against Jodie Whittaker. But where was this same positivity when fan girls were throwing a fit that Matt Smith should be replaced by a wrinkly old man. I do love a good double standard. Plus those who only want outside the box casting, just to piss off the fans. That is just childish.

    I think Bond should remain white, but I am under no illusion that Bond will stay that way. If not the 7th actor, then maybe the 8th. But it IS going to happen.
  • edited December 2021 Posts: 12,717
    I really wouldn’t use Doctor Who as any kind of ‘how to’. People were told that if they didn’t like it, then don’t watch it. They certainly did that. Even the defence of looking at the consolodated figures, instead of the overnight figures, doesn’t hold up.

    But more people than ever did watch it. Then it turned out to be not very good, so the ratings gradually fell again. The gender change won them viewers, then the awful episodes lost them.

    I’m not saying they should use that as a model of how to (I think it’s a really impressive feat of failure, taking all that goodwill and attention and pissing it away), but we were talking about how general audiences would respond, and I think Doctor Who is a sign of how bold casting like that can grab attention. It suddenly became part of the national consciousness again over night, after years of waning interest during Capaldi. Casting a POC as Bond would garner even more publicity, you’d immediately get eyes all over the world on the brand again. People who hadn’t bothered with Bond films for years would be curious about how it’d be. Where Doctor Who went wrong was failing to actually make the show any good. If EON went bold with the casting, drummed up that curiosity, and then followed it up with a really good film, then they could turn a lot of that curiosity into new fans.

    I’m not using this as an argument in favour of casting a POC either, as I’ve said before, I really don’t mind either way. But I do think it’s a commercially viable option, and that audiences as a whole wouldn’t reject it like fans on here would.
  • JeremyBondonJeremyBondon Seeking out odd jobs with Oddjob @Tangier
    edited December 2021 Posts: 1,154
    I really wouldn’t use Doctor Who as any kind of ‘how to’. People were told that if they didn’t like it, then don’t watch it. They certainly did that. Even the defence of looking at the consolodated figures, instead of the overnight figures, doesn’t hold up. They might have lost Daily Mail readers, but at least they earned Twitter followers....

    And let’s not be so short sighted to fling poo at only one demographic. Articles were so quick to pile on and go after the fans that were against Jodie Whittaker. But where was this same positivity when fan girls were throwing a fit that Matt Smith should be replaced by a wrinkly old man. I do love a good double standard. Plus those who only want outside the box casting, just to piss off the fans. That is just childish.

    I think Bond should remain white, but I am under no illusion that Bond will stay that way. If not the 7th actor, then maybe the 8th. But it IS going to happen.

    The question remains dear @MajorDSmythe , for what reason? That's the sensitive point for both the yay and nay sides.

    I have a much better solution. CREATE a new character, a black fellow in this case but could also be of Asian descent. After all we want to keep the options open and not only favour one other 'colour' because they tend to be more vocal/ supported. How hard is it to CREATE a cracking new suave male agent? Exactly, there aren't any reasons not to. In fact it is more logical than to paint Bond a color he never was, for the heck of it.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 6,659
    I really wouldn’t use Doctor Who as any kind of ‘how to’. People were told that if they didn’t like it, then don’t watch it. They certainly did that. Even the defence of looking at the consolodated figures, instead of the overnight figures, doesn’t hold up. They might have lost Daily Mail readers, but at least they earned Twitter followers....

    And let’s not be so short sighted to fling poo at only one demographic. Articles were so quick to pile on and go after the fans that were against Jodie Whittaker. But where was this same positivity when fan girls were throwing a fit that Matt Smith should be replaced by a wrinkly old man. I do love a good double standard. Plus those who only want outside the box casting, just to piss off the fans. That is just childish.

    I think Bond should remain white, but I am under no illusion that Bond will stay that way. If not the 7th actor, then maybe the 8th. But it IS going to happen.

    The question remains dear @MajorDSmythe , for what reason? That's the sensitive point for both the yay and nay sides.

    I have a much better solution. CREATE a new character, a black fellow in this case but could also be of Asian descent. After all we want to keep the options open and not only favour one other 'colour' because they tend to be more vocal/ supported. How hard is it to CREATE a cracking new suave male agent? Exactly, there aren't any reasons not to. In fact it is more logical than to paint Bond a color he never was, for the heck of it.

    Absolutely.

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