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  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
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    @Mathis1 You don't understand the praise for GE while I don't understand the love for TB.
  • LTK was 13 for me, one place above FYEO as well. I’ve warmed a lot on this film over the years, I initially didn’t care for it much at all. It still gets a bit dull for me in the middle, and I wish it had a little more budget behind it, but the opening and closing acts are pretty phenomenal and I like it as a brutal little detour from the typical Bond film. It’s be nice if we got an atypical Bond film again in the near future, I’ve always wanted an almost horror film tinged Bond film, like the creepy aspects of LALD dialed up to the extreme.
  • BirdlesonBirdleson San Jose, CAModerator
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    Here's where it get's unpredictable. 10 of my Top 11 are still in (QOS would take its place in that elite pantheon in lieu of TLD in my world, with YOLT in the 12 spot). Sadly, I believe that LALD will, probably go next, which I have comfortably at #6.
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    @Mathis1 You don't understand the praise for GE while I don't understand the love for TB.

    I wouldnt be a massive fan of TB myself!
    But still find it watchable and Connery is at the height of his powers! GE though...ugh...I'll save my rant until it comes up!!
  • zebrafishzebrafish <°)))< in Octopussy's garden in the shade
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    LTK? Too high for me, had it at #20. It feels like a regular US-action movie on a budget. Just does not tick the right boxes for me.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Defender of Timothy Dalton, George Lazenby, Éric Serra & Bond '83!
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    I absolutely love LTK. In fact, it was me who put it first. My favourite Bond film, possibly my favourite film all together.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    it was me who put it first. My favourite Bond film, possibly my favourite film all together.
    Bless your heart!
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    I love Licence To Kill. It has steadily climbed up in my estimation the last few years and likely will continue to do so. It's currently my #8.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    I had LTK at #9. Now that OHMSS is getting its due praise, LTK along with TLD are the films in the series most ripe for a "second look" by the general public.
  • DwayneDwayne New York City
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    I had LTK at number 15, so I regard it a little less favorably than most of you.

    In its’ favor is a great performance by Dalton and Kamen’s score is one of the best IMO. That said, I found some of the violence somewhat gratuitous (*), and the less said about Talisa Soto’s “Lupe” the better. While I can certainly appreciate LTK, it is rarely the Bond movie that I insert in the DVD player on a rainy Sunday afternoon.

    That said, I think that a major factor in the film’s poor box office (US) was LTK misfortune to be released in a summer that brought us: “Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade” (5/24), “Star Trek V: The Final Frontier” (6/9), “Ghostbusters II” (6/16), “Honey, I Shrunk the Kids” (6/23), and…oh yes…”Batman” (6/23) followed by “Lethal Weapon 2” (7/7). Poor LTK just got lost. Every other summer (since 1977) had seen the release of a Bond movie and I think that general audiences may have simply taken 007 for granted.

    I’ve often wondered how the Dalton era would have played out if EON had taken “a year off” and done more to hype Dalton.

    ** “…well it was never made for six and seven-year olds…” - says me in my best Dalton voice!!!
  • edited April 18 Posts: 476
    I love LTK and have it at number 2.
    I think it would have worked better as Dalton's third film though. It was a pretty big departure from the usual Bond fare, and as such, it might have been good for audiences to get to know Dalton in more than one conventional Bond film before twisting things as much as they did. Don't know how much that would have helped US box office, but it would feel more natural to do it that way.

  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
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    @ProfJoeButcher Good point.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Defender of Timothy Dalton, George Lazenby, Éric Serra & Bond '83!
    edited April 18 Posts: 5,259
    Ok amigos, not long before we can dive into the top 10, but we still have one entry to reveal before we can.

    STARRING
    Roger Moore as James Bond 007

    WITH
    Jane Seymour, Yaphet Kotto, Geoffrey Holder & Julius W. Harris

    LIVE AND LET DIE

    MUSIC BY George Martin
    DIRECTED BY Guy Hamilton

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    LALD turned out to be the favourite of one participant, providing it with one gold medal. It also managed to secure three 5th spots. In addition it received nine more top 10 placements and five top 15's.

    Not much to report on the other end of the spectrum, with one 24th and one 21st spot, giving it two bottom 5 endings.

    LALD collected 154 points in total.

    That's the same amount as LTK, so technically they both ended up 11th. In an attempt to differentiate them, I looked at the amount of 1st and last places, but that was tied too, so I went for most top 10 placements, which LALD won.

    I admit that's rather arbitrary, but I had to go with something here. I prefer to look at it as a shared 11th place anyway.
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    Ironic that, GoldenGun, since LTK uses elements from the novel of LALD!! I have Rogers debut at 9, my second favourite after OP. Always an enjoyable watch, it has strong set pieces (the opening briefing with M, the Crocodile farm, bus chase, first meet with Solitaire,Kananga reveals his plan, TeeHee train fight, boat chase) and a memorable set of villains!
    One of the best theme songs too, it will always be a favourite Bond movie of mine!
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
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    I hoped it would find the way in the top 10. I love LALD (apart from Rosie) and the boat chase is full of great stunts and jokes. One of my favourite movie scenes in general. And a film with snakes, crocs and sharks is another reason to love it. I miss the wild animals in the newer entries.
  • zebrafishzebrafish <°)))< in Octopussy's garden in the shade
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    I miss the wild animals in the newer entries.

    Komodo Dragons are cooooool!
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited April 18 Posts: 10,832
    Awesome film, saw this one near the beginning of my discovery of Bond and have loved it ever since. Very rich in colour, culture and musically too. A sterling start for Roger.

    Yeah, I miss the animal threats. Hoping Bond encounters a centipede in Jamaica in NTTD.
  • Slazenger7Slazenger7 Gothenburg, Sweden
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    #9th place. Definitely a favorite of mine. I love the flirts with blaxploitation films and that early 70’s feel. I love the George Martin score as well, best non-Barry score. And Maccas theme song is probably my favorite of the series.
  • BirdlesonBirdleson San Jose, CAModerator
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    As I said earlier, 6th place for me. The first Bond film I saw at the theatre without my parents (I was 11).
  • Max_The_ParrotMax_The_Parrot ATAC to St Cyril’s
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    Awwww c'mon guys give Rog a break, look, he’s devastated!!! Number 5 on my list, I’ve never grown tired of watching this film, it’s a fun filled romp from start to finish. @GoldenGun are you SURE you’ve not made a mistake with the counting of Thunderball? :)

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  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I'll be honest: I think LALD has two of the most beautiful Bond girls in the entire series: Jane Seymour and cutie Madeline Smith.

    And yes, there are good moments in the film. But overall, it's a silly movie. I had it at #18. Moore is okay but not cemented in the role yet. The boat chases are pretty cool, but other action scenes in the film are few and dull. The climax is... well, barely there. (I don't mind something a bit smaller than the big battles of TSWLM or YOLT, but this is Bond, Kananga, one shark and a gas pellet.) Also, that investigation into the death of those three agents really didn't amount to much, now did it? I think the film has potential; I love Kananga's organisation with spies and thugs everywhere. I love Kananga's entourage, including Tee-Hee and Whisper. Yaphett is an energetic villain too. But LALD barely transcends a TV production; it lacks a certain cinematic feel for me.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Defender of Timothy Dalton, George Lazenby, Éric Serra & Bond '83!
    edited April 18 Posts: 5,259
    @Mathis1 It is indeed, I never really understand why LTK is often described as non-Bondian since there is so much Fleming in there. I'd even say it's one of the most Bondian ones.

    @Max_The_Parrot Sorry my feathered friend, TB has quite a few admirors actually ;).

    Now concerning LALD. I used to appreciate it less than I do now, but it still isn't a top entry for me.

    That being said, I love Tee Hee, Baron Samedi and Miss Caruso. Rog is great in it too, I like the Martin score, as well as the title sequence and there is also some fine stunt work to behold. Oh and the dialogue is good, Hedison is an excellent Felix and I quite enjoy Pepper going utterly bonkers too.

    As I've said before, it's telling that even an entry I don't consider a favourite has so much that I enjoy about it.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Digitalia
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    Pretty much as expected. I was the one who had it in 24th place, making me its smallest fan. I love the New York taxi scene and the alligator stunt, but not much else.

    In the tournament LALD and LTK were also tied in their match-up, but in the final results list LALD managed 11th and LTK ended on 13th, with FYEO in between.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Defender of Timothy Dalton, George Lazenby, Éric Serra & Bond '83!
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    Interesting that LALD-FYEO-LTK end up 11th-13th on both occasions.
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
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    I actually had it at 11th so it's the second time (along with DAD) that my personal ranking matched the group's.

    It will be interesting to see how the rest fall in place.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Defender of Timothy Dalton, George Lazenby, Éric Serra & Bond '83!
    Posts: 5,259
    Tomorrow we'll be diving into our top 10. These are the candidates:

    - Dr. No
    - From Russia with Love
    - Goldfinger
    - Thunderball
    - On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    - The Spy Who Loved Me
    - The Living Daylights
    - GoldenEye
    - Casino Royale
    - Skyfall

    The ranking so far:
    11. Live and Let Die / Licence to Kill
    13. For Your Eyes Only
    14. Quantum of Solace
    15. Octopussy
    16. Moonraker
    17. You Only Live Twice
    18. Tomorrow Never Dies
    19. The Man with the Golden Gun
    20. The World Is Not Enough
    21. A View to a Kill
    22. Spectre
    23. Diamonds Are Forever
    24. Die Another Day
    25. Never Say Never Again
  • As @Mathis pointed out, how appropriate Live and Let Die and Licence to Kill should have pulled a draw with both incorporating many elements of the same novel and David Hedison's portrayal of Felix in both.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 4,223
    Dwayne wrote: »
    I had LTK at number 15, so I regard it a little less favorably than most of you.

    In its’ favor is a great performance by Dalton and Kamen’s score is one of the best IMO. That said, I found some of the violence somewhat gratuitous (*), and the less said about Talisa Soto’s “Lupe” the better. While I can certainly appreciate LTK, it is rarely the Bond movie that I insert in the DVD player on a rainy Sunday afternoon.

    That said, I think that a major factor in the film’s poor box office (US) was LTK misfortune to be released in a summer that brought us: “Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade” (5/24), “Star Trek V: The Final Frontier” (6/9), “Ghostbusters II” (6/16), “Honey, I Shrunk the Kids” (6/23), and…oh yes…”Batman” (6/23) followed by “Lethal Weapon 2” (7/7). Poor LTK just got lost. Every other summer (since 1977) had seen the release of a Bond movie and I think that general audiences may have simply taken 007 for granted.

    I’ve often wondered how the Dalton era would have played out if EON had taken “a year off” and done more to hype Dalton.

    ** “…well it was never made for six and seven-year olds…” - says me in my best Dalton voice!!!

    Poor Dalton had the spectre of Brosnan and Connery hanging over him in the summer of '89!
  • Here's my prediction for the rest of the list:

    10. Thunderball
    9. The Living Daylights
    8. Dr. No
    7. GoldenEye
    6. The Spy Who Loved Me
    5. Skyfall
    4. On Her Majesty’s Secret Service
    3. From Russia With Love
    2. Goldfinger
    1. Casino Royale

    I feel fairly certain DN, TB, and TLD will be the next three in some order. Then TSWLM, GE, and SF will fall into the middle ground in some order as beloved but maybe not too universally beloved wild cards. Then FRWL, GF, OHMSS, and CR will round out the top four in some order.
  • BirdlesonBirdleson San Jose, CAModerator
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    Lately GF has been falling to FRWL, CR and OHMSS. I expect that to be the case here. DN will probably take 5th.
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