Who should/could be a Bond actor? *SPOILERS*

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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited December 2020 Posts: 8,305
    Denbigh wrote: »

    I also don't get the Jim Carrey/Robert Pattinson comparison.

    I wouldn't go looking for logic in this thread! :)


    This has probably been shared before and seemed somehow relevant to this thread, but look at this video of Film '95 where filmgoers gave their opinions of GoldenEye, the big return of 007 to the screen. But who's that about 30 seconds in... ?
    :)

  • Wow!! Great spot!! God, I miss Barry Norman.
  • BrosnanLegendBrosnanLegend canada
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    i think it's either Aiden turner or Henry cavill if isn't neither of these 2, it is a sham.

    these 2 are far and away the best choices, cavill isn't the best actor but you dont need a method actor for a bond role! look at connery,moore and brosnan! and these 3 are the best!

    and please no american bond and especially not a non white 100% anglo saxon bond
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
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    Somehow I cannot stand Pattinson's face, nor his voice nor his demeanour.

    I don't see the appeal as well. Most of his 'best' performance are mediocre at best, i want someone who looks effortlessly good.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Speaking of James Purefoy a page back, a new interview with him on "the job I didn't get"

    https://www.radiotimes.com/news/film/2020-12-03/james-purefoy-james-bond-role/
  • FatherValentineFatherValentine England
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    mtm wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »

    I also don't get the Jim Carrey/Robert Pattinson comparison.

    I wouldn't go looking for logic in this thread! :)


    This has probably been shared before and seemed somehow relevant to this thread, but look at this video of Film '95 where filmgoers gave their opinions of GoldenEye, the big return of 007 to the screen. But who's that about 30 seconds in... ?
    :)


    Elba would have appeared in Absolutely Fabulous around the same time, where Patsy tells him he looks like Sean Connery. Very funny.
  • Posts: 13,234
    QBranch wrote: »
    Speaking of James Purefoy a page back, a new interview with him on "the job I didn't get"

    https://www.radiotimes.com/news/film/2020-12-03/james-purefoy-james-bond-role/

    Before Craig was cast, Purefoy would have been my first choice.
  • Posts: 4,412
    My perception has alwasy been that EON have tried to introduce a different style of Bond with a differenet style of actor. Based on this, any actor with similar qualities to DC is out.
  • Posts: 13,234
    I don't think its that black and white. With Lazenby they tried to redo a Connery style casting. Moore's first Bond movies were not very different in style and tone than Connery's last Bond film. Dalton was very different but let's not forget that he was a recast. I think overall and maybe with the exception of Craig, they have a generic portrait of the actor they are looking for, then they play his strengths or at least try to.
  • Posts: 1,297
    I think casting Craig was the first time Eon consciously went out of their way to break the established Bond mould. Craig's success may mean they will be bold again.
  • ColonelSun wrote: »
    I think casting Craig was the first time Eon consciously went out of their way to break the established Bond mould. Craig's success may mean they will be bold again.

    I certainly hope so. It's given the franchise the jolt it needed after the execrable Die Another Day. I'd love another daring and edgy choice, far removed from Aidan Turner or Henry Cavill. Bond was resting on its laurels before Craig. Please don't sleepwalk into irrelevance.
  • Posts: 12,581
    I remember thinking Purefoy looked like a promising candidate back then. Possibly more so than Clive Owen. Still, hard to say.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    I don't think its that black and white. With Lazenby they tried to redo a Connery style casting. Moore's first Bond movies were not very different in style and tone than Connery's last Bond film. Dalton was very different but let's not forget that he was a recast. I think overall and maybe with the exception of Craig, they have a generic portrait of the actor they are looking for, then they play his strengths or at least try to.

    Yes I think (other than Lazenby) they pretty much take what they can get and choose the strongest candidate, and then shape the film to the actor to some degree. Craig was maybe lightly less this way as the film had been designed to be more realistic (and that's why they were moving on from Brosnan) but there's an argument that he was too old for the part in the script.
  • Posts: 13,234
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    I remember thinking Purefoy looked like a promising candidate back then. Possibly more so than Clive Owen. Still, hard to say.

    I still don't understand what people found Bondian in Clive Owen.
  • Ludovico wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    I remember thinking Purefoy looked like a promising candidate back then. Possibly more so than Clive Owen. Still, hard to say.

    I still don't understand what people found Bondian in Clive Owen.

    The film Croupier played a big part. He wore a tuxedo and looked Bondian. He's a really flat actor though. We certainly dodged a bullet. I really hope EoN surprise us again.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited December 2020 Posts: 8,305
    Ludovico wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    I remember thinking Purefoy looked like a promising candidate back then. Possibly more so than Clive Owen. Still, hard to say.

    I still don't understand what people found Bondian in Clive Owen.

    I think this thread proves that if a guy has dark hair, is six foot and has worn a bow tie that's all some folks need- acting and screen presence don't come into it.
  • mtm wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    I remember thinking Purefoy looked like a promising candidate back then. Possibly more so than Clive Owen. Still, hard to say.

    I still don't understand what people found Bondian in Clive Owen.

    I think this thread proves that if a guy has dark hair, is six foot and has worn a bow tie that's all some folks need- acting and screen presence don't come into it.

    Very true. Good job they're not working in casting. Babs will honour her instincts again. We'll get someone interesting. Bond has been elevated by the Craig era.
  • FatherValentineFatherValentine England
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    mtm wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    I remember thinking Purefoy looked like a promising candidate back then. Possibly more so than Clive Owen. Still, hard to say.

    I still don't understand what people found Bondian in Clive Owen.

    I think this thread proves that if a guy has dark hair, is six foot and has worn a bow tie that's all some folks need- acting and screen presence don't come into it.

    Very true. Good job they're not working in casting. Babs will honour her instincts again. We'll get someone interesting. Bond has been elevated by the Craig era.

    It hasn't been elevated at all. Two of the Craig films are among the worst in the series for a start. His era is no better or worse than any of the other actor's run in the role. He has good moments and bad moments just like the others.

    Fair point about people you perceive to be poor actors or lacking screen presence, but this idea that Eon has to choose an actor that looks nothing like how James Bond has been portrayed in the past, unless it falls into 'fan casting', is bonkers.

    How far do we take this as a strategy for casting? I always thought Michael Kitchen had great screen presence. Should he have been Bond?

    And I am not saying that they should only stay with 6ft and black hair, but that if they do, it doesn't automatically mean it is poor 'fan casting'.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    I think it's hard to pick just one actor when out there is several good candidates.
  • @FatherValentine
    I just hope EoN don't pick someone on looks alone, to the detriment of the franchise. Yes, there are two weaker entries in Craig's era so far, but he's been absolutely solid. If Cavill had presence and could act better than an amateur dramatics ham, he'd be a great choice. I just pray we get someone who is the whole package. Imagine a tall, dark, handsome actor with the chops and presence of someone like Tom Hardy or Craig. I'm just concerned we'll get an A-Team level of actor like Brosnan.
  • FatherValentineFatherValentine England
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    I get what you are saying, and your response here is utterly reasonable.

    I just sometimes think you go a bit far and it looks like you are championing people purely BECAUSE they look different from Brosnan.

    Not that you have to reign your opinions in on my account, but it sometimes comes across like your opinions are the exact opposite of what you say you don't want - i.e. that someone like Cavill might get cast because of his looks, and you want Jack Lowden to be cast because of his looks (only that his deviate from the default).

    Anyway, Jack Lowden is a good enough actor, but he's not THAT good, he does look like the YouTuber ChrisMD.
  • @FatherValentine
    Not exactly. I'm not saying I particularly want Lowden; I have a strong feeling it's going to be him. I'm not entirely sure why.
    I'd love an actor that had the looks of Jon Hamm, the charisma of Moore, the presence of Connery, the chops of Craig, the physical prowess of Lazenby and the ruthlessness of Dalton.
    My frustration lies in the fact that there only seems to be subpar choices out there. My expectations are too high.
  • Ludovico wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    I remember thinking Purefoy looked like a promising candidate back then. Possibly more so than Clive Owen. Still, hard to say.

    I still don't understand what people found Bondian in Clive Owen.

    Really, back then looking at Croupier (strange but interesting movie) I'll sleep when Im dead, the BMW films, and The Bourne Identity and to me this guy was born to play Bond. Great versatile actor, looked the part, could carry the drama, comedy, and action I can't see what was not Bondian about him.
  • @FatherValentine
    Not exactly. I'm not saying I particularly want Lowden; I have a strong feeling it's going to be him. I'm not entirely sure why.
    I'd love an actor that had the looks of Jon Hamm, the charisma of Moore, the presence of Connery, the chops of Craig, the physical prowess of Lazenby and the ruthlessness of Dalton.
    My frustration lies in the fact that there only seems to be subpar choices out there. My expectations are too high.

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  • @parkert5
    He's one of the subpar choices to me.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
    edited December 2020 Posts: 3,845
    I don't know, but I've never felt Craig was completely unconventional for Bond. Craig looks like John Richardson who auditioned alongside Lazenby for OHMSS. And Craig also looks very much like Patrick McGoohan who was offered the role, but rejected it because he felt the character was too promiscuous. And I think McGoohan was offered Dr. No & then LALD.
  • Posts: 13,234
    parkert5 wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    I remember thinking Purefoy looked like a promising candidate back then. Possibly more so than Clive Owen. Still, hard to say.

    I still don't understand what people found Bondian in Clive Owen.

    Really, back then looking at Croupier (strange but interesting movie) I'll sleep when Im dead, the BMW films, and The Bourne Identity and to me this guy was born to play Bond. Great versatile actor, looked the part, could carry the drama, comedy, and action I can't see what was not Bondian about him.

    I have only seen The Bourne Identity and I think the BMW advert and I still don't see it. I mean he looks the part because he wore a tux? Anybody can wear a tux.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    parkert5 wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    I remember thinking Purefoy looked like a promising candidate back then. Possibly more so than Clive Owen. Still, hard to say.

    I still don't understand what people found Bondian in Clive Owen.

    Really, back then looking at Croupier (strange but interesting movie) I'll sleep when Im dead, the BMW films, and The Bourne Identity and to me this guy was born to play Bond. Great versatile actor, looked the part, could carry the drama, comedy, and action I can't see what was not Bondian about him.

    I have only seen The Bourne Identity and I think the BMW advert and I still don't see it. I mean he looks the part because he wore a tux? Anybody can wear a tux.

    Clive Owen was odd in that he often alternated between giving charismatic movie-star performances, and flat, dull performances. He was great in the TV series Chancer, very good in Croupier, and oozed charisma in the movie Gosford Park; on the other hand he gave a very low-energy performance in King Arthur and several other starring roles. I think he might have been great as Bond... but he might just as easily been lacklustre. I've never known what to make of him. Sometimes he had that spark, sometimes he didn't.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    parkert5 wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    I remember thinking Purefoy looked like a promising candidate back then. Possibly more so than Clive Owen. Still, hard to say.

    I still don't understand what people found Bondian in Clive Owen.

    Really, back then looking at Croupier (strange but interesting movie) I'll sleep when Im dead, the BMW films, and The Bourne Identity and to me this guy was born to play Bond. Great versatile actor, looked the part, could carry the drama, comedy, and action I can't see what was not Bondian about him.

    I have only seen The Bourne Identity and I think the BMW advert and I still don't see it. I mean he looks the part because he wore a tux? Anybody can wear a tux.

    Clive Owen was odd in that he often alternated between giving charismatic movie-star performances, and flat, dull performances. He was great in the TV series Chancer, very good in Croupier, and oozed charisma in the movie Gosford Park; on the other hand he gave a very low-energy performance in King Arthur and several other starring roles. I think he might have been great as Bond... but he might just as easily been lacklustre. I've never known what to make of him. Sometimes he had that spark, sometimes he didn't.

    Yeah. I had friends who were obsessed with the idea of Owens as the perfect Bond; to me, he could nail the depressed Bond at the beginning of a proper adaption of YOLT, but that's it for me.
  • FatherValentineFatherValentine England
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    I never wanted Owen. His voice always seemed too 'TV' for me. For once I agree with @DrClatterhand in that he was a safe, unimaginative choice. The choice for people who weren't really Bond obsessives. Saying that, he probably could have done it give the chance, but there were better options at the time. As Craig proved.



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