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She suggested Rupert Friend last time around.
Wow...you're not a fan of Craig? I suppose if you prescribe to the idea of Bond being the gentleman spy - in the same mould of Roger Moore or even David Niven - then I guess that DC wouldn't be your favourite.
DC added such reality and believability to the character. When I watch CR, I don't see 'Daniel Craig playing the same role that others before him did', (I get that with Brosnan). Instead I see James Bond (the person). He ridded the role of the self-knowing aspect. He made Bond a real character that we as an audience could invest in. He was more thoughtful, introspective and bruised. He was still macho, tough and suave. They didn't make him any less 'cool' - perhaps he was a bit less of a snob and not overly vain about his appearance (unlike Brosnan and more akin to Dalton). But I like that...Craig made Bond more dangerous and believable. This is the type of Bond I like....
Exactly...I'll admit that Chalamet looks young and skinny. But if he were to get the part or be seriously in the mix, he'd have to transform to some degree. It be incumbent on him to do so. Much in the same way that Alicia Vikander transformed to be Lara Croft, Ben Affleck to be Batman, Daniel Craig did in CR, etc.
Plus, Chalamet is interesting and a provocative choice. It would get legions of people excited and even those less happy would feel compelled to chip into the conversation. If someone predictable and dull like Henry Cavill got cast it would be greeted with a collective shrug.
Certainly not Fleming. But I could be wrong. Honestly aside from his not being British as @suavejmf very reliably reminds us, I could easily see Chalamet as Bond in a decade, per your photo above @Pierce2Daniel. I think he has an edge that is critical.
"...as @suavejmf and @Univex very reliably remind us..."
I also wonder why the two of you seem to be the angriest with regards to this topic.
The point isn't that Chalamet could or should be Bond, it's that he as a suggestion is being disregarded for the wrong reasons.
Thank you :-bd lol
But caps don't necessarily mean anger. I'm just tending to the myopic folk who see Bond in a scrawny American teenager. All for health's sake, you know, the guys who made the danger signs weren't angry ;)
Just realised that...you know... (D)anger. lol Caps and all.
I actually find most suggestions funny. Black handsome actors, skinny stylish Americans, short stumpy hooligans,... The net has broadened and no one cares about the literary character and his depiction anymore. Which I've learned that it's fine, cause in this brave new world there are no facts, just opinions. And mine and everyone else's is valid no matter what. And that's the true democracy.
I'm being ironic, of course. But one has to, these days. Or one really gets angry.
I read the most inane opinions here, and I find it inane that I cannot criticise them for being inane. I know most people want forums to be like any other social media. But I was the impression they weren't, and that there were such things as wrongs and rights, and truths and lies, and facts and opinions. It's not my opinion that Bond is a certain way. Bond was well written and described and depicted within close parameters for the last half dozen decades. Wanna change that? Go ahead. I'll be off that train.
But this is a non angry, lucid person here. I love surrealist discussions. So please people. Chalamet has Bond. An American as Bond. Barry Nelson set the precedent, I believe. So, why not? :D
For the record, as far as American actors versus British actors go, I agree with you and Mr. Suave; at the end of the day I think a British actor should play Bond.
Also I don't think anyone has told you you can't criticize opinions that you view as inane, and I'm very sorry if you feel victimized in that way, especially by me, as that wasn't my intention.
With regards to Chalamet, I don't think anyone here was suggesting that he should play Bond. The body is something that can be practically altered, as people can become more or less fit. Bale is a good example. Coming off of The Machinist, or Vice, no one would ever suggest him for Bond. But, if we're looking at purely physicality, after Bruce Wayne? The face, however, is something that is more or less set in stone, and I think people were remarking that he has a good, dark edge to the look of his face that might be appropriate for Bond.
DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT, THROUGH THE ABOVE, SAYING CHALAMET SHOULD PLAY BOND. Just wanted to throw that in there, again, to avoid hurting anyone's feelings.
Well that's not explicitly true, but I get your point in context. He wasn't born a British citizen, and didn't learn the accent before the age of 25.
All I'm saying I guess is that on the topic of "The Close Parameters on which James Bond is Written and Described and Depicted" there seems to be a list of parameters that matter, and parameters that don't, and the distinction between these lists seems arbitrary.
Since we're so heart set on finding an American actor who isn't even remotely traditionally Bondian, but can break the mold and open new doors for Barbara, I say we need an established bad ass.
Here he is.......the new James Bond
@NickTwentyTwo, my entire post was made in jest and in response to your "being angry" comment. No need to get upset up about it. I was having fun with some irony. Also, I think that hair or eye colour are small phenotypical details in comparison to race, gender or nationality. There are bigger parameters than others.
The Chalamet question is as ludicrous as the Elba question. We can spend time discussing it, but I don't see the point. The sky is blue, period. If it has clouds or not, and if that makes it white or grey doesn't take away the fact that it's blue and it doesn't open up the chance for it being green or purple. We can paint it green, and call that interpretation and artistic freedom, but it won't be an apt representation of the true sky.
And one other thing, people seem to mistake criticism and annoyance with playing the victim. I'm not victimising myself and I'm not angry. Some of us just don't like it when threads are hijacked by the social media pc all-is-valid crowd. That's all.
But seriously, no hard feelings @Univez or anyone else. The floor is yours.
He would not be an amazing Bond.
Exactly. One, he’s a midget and two, he’s not ‘leading man’ material in the traditional sense. He looks like an ‘Everyman.’
The above assumes he could pull off the accent as well. Otherwise that’s reason three.
Yes I’m with you there: disagreeing with someone is one thing, rudeness is another. But I got bullied and told what an awful person I am last time I suggested that, so best to leave the bullies to it.
The idea that there is a list of characteristics of a literary character which are ordered in terms of importance to an adaptation, and that order is matter of personal preference or opinion which is somehow not up for debate, is such a self-evidently anti-art standpoint. Apparently there’s only one way to interpret art and it’s in the hands of those who shout the loudest.
I’d take him over Chamalet.
As long as the character is portrayed as a British heterosexual then it doesn't matter.
I say this as someone who would prefer a British actor. But there is no logic behind it.
I also get being a bit possessive over the role, but these days with Hollywood being more open to British actors than ever before, I do think it is difficult to justify without sounding jingoistic.
I would prefer a British actor for the role, of course, or at least an actor who's made Britain his home for a decent length of time.
That said perhaps if Eon sells, the new producers will see fit to change Bond's nationality altogether. Card Sense Jimmy Bond could make a return. Perhaps Bond could be a Texan just like his good buddy Felix?
If that ends up the case............I hereby present the new James Bond.....
Back to this.
Name one male US actor that can portray an authentic British/ English/ Scottish accent?
I can name one only, John Lithgow.
Look at Downey Jr, Keane Reeves, Dick Van Dyke etc all terrible. Pantomime.
I'll even help you with this my friend :) John Lithgow was ridiculous in Cliffhanger, full on pantomime. And don't even get me started on his Churchill.
So there, I'm with you on this. Bond is an household product and should remain so. So should've, for example, Sherlock Holmes. And I'm a huge Holmes fan and a huge Downey Jr. fan. The only reason I like Ritchie's films is because Downey is so genius at what he does, and he has played Chaplin to a tee, that I forget his nationality. But this is very very rare in American actors. Just the other day I cringed endlessly while watching that lousy new version of Rebecca with Hammer being just, well, a hammer, a tool. Please keep Bond close to home, ok? Thank you.
But hey, if these guys do insist on an American playing Bond, I've said this times and times again, here's their candidate. An almost perfect match, wouldn't you say? ;)
Well, this argument has come up before, and whenever anyone suggests a name you say that their British accent is terrible. So it can't actually be proven either way, can it.
Chalamet in The King, for example, is pretty flawless. You will no doubt say otherwise. But for me it is. It is a particular kind of English accent and aimed at a particular genre (historical epic with Shakespearean pretensions), but there is nothing to suggest his accent isn't authentic sounding.
There is nothing from what I recall in Sherlock Holmes that makes Downey Jr's accent stand out. he sounds like a movie star delivering movie star lines, but to say it's like Van Dyke's accent is just wrong imo.
Anyway - the Spinal Tap boys would count as three with perfect English accents. Surely everyone agrees on that? So it is not like it is unheard of.
I’ve been told by several British friends that Jonathan Hillerman was convincing, and he was from Texas!
I do agree, most are painfully bad.
Yes, there's no point. It's too easy to say 'no, that was rubbish'. I think there are a few, I remember probably the most impressive that comes to mind in recent years was when I watched that Strike Back thing on Sky One (don't judge me! :) ) :
With regards to Chamalet....It’s ok as you say. Flawless....no.
But his physical attitudes, facial appearance and stature make him unsuitable.
Downey Jr....no. Rubbish. A passable ‘impression’. Certainly an American putting it on though.