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  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    edited September 2020 Posts: 6,758
    Ludovico wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    I wish Jurassic Park never became a film franchise. The original is outstanding. Every single one after that gradually diminishes in quality (I haven't even seen Fallen Kingdom. I remember seeing the first trailer and saying, nope. Shut up and DON'T take my money)
    I remember really liking The Lost World way back when I saw it in theaters, but not as much anymore, though I suppose there are a few (very few) things here and there I kinda still like. III was awful and World was...ehh.
    I think each successive entry has only diluted the greatness of the original, and it's like, how many times must people be thought the same lesson about these things? Ugh. I always thought the concept of 'head canon' as childish, but for one time only I might make an exception for Jurassic Park sequels. [-(
    I agree, Jurassic Park should have been a one off, like E.T. or Close Encounter of the Third Kind. Same with Jaws, come to think of it.

    I was just about to mention Jaws as well.

    Except with Jaws it's hardly controversial.

    Also correct. Although the second one does have its fans.

    Stumbled upon this Jaws: The Revenge review from an Australian tv show while browsing through YouTube.
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    Police Academy 2-6 were reasonably entertaining , esp #5 & 6 is underrated imo
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Gene Siskel wasn’t that great as a movie critic. It always seemed that movies had to be personal. If he liked one movie he measured others like it to that standard. Ebert had a bit more range. Still, both are missed in general, in particular compared to Nostalgia Critic (barf).
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Gene Siskel wasn’t that great as a movie critic. It always seemed that movies had to be personal. If he liked one movie he measured others like it to that standard. Ebert had a bit more range. Still, both are missed in general, in particular compared to Nostalgia Critic (barf).

    Siskel only liked Connery as Bond, although he gave FYEO and OP thumbs up.
    Miss those guys. When they ganged up on a movie it was almost as hilarious as when they disagreed on a film.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Gene Siskel wasn’t that great as a movie critic. It always seemed that movies had to be personal. If he liked one movie he measured others like it to that standard. Ebert had a bit more range. Still, both are missed in general, in particular compared to Nostalgia Critic (barf).

    Siskel only liked Connery as Bond, although he gave FYEO and OP thumbs up.
    Miss those guys. When they ganged up on a movie it was almost as hilarious as when they disagreed on a film.

    Siskel only liking Connery as Bond was just one of many times he had personal basis, which made him a poor critic. Every Disney movie made after The Little Mermaid till his death, he measured against it (often calling the songs non classics, as soon as the movie came out).That’s him being a poor professional critic. I do miss these two, but I definitely miss Ebert a lot more.
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    This may be controversial, but I had never watched a Jurassic Park film until earlier this year. I think it was 3, whichever one has William H. Macy and Tea Leoni trying to find their son on the island, and that was only because it followed another film we were watching on lazy Saturday afternoon and we just didn't bother to change the channel. It wasn't a bad way to pass the time, I have to admit, but didn't encourage me to see others.

    People being pursued by CGI dinosaurs just never appealed to me. Just how many variations of that do we need? When the first one came out I couldn't have cared less. A friend got the VHS and I saw parts of the first, but not enough to make me interested in seeing the whole thing.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited September 2020 Posts: 8,009
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Gene Siskel wasn’t that great as a movie critic. It always seemed that movies had to be personal. If he liked one movie he measured others like it to that standard. Ebert had a bit more range. Still, both are missed in general, in particular compared to Nostalgia Critic (barf).

    Siskel only liked Connery as Bond, although he gave FYEO and OP thumbs up.
    Miss those guys. When they ganged up on a movie it was almost as hilarious as when they disagreed on a film.

    Siskel only liking Connery as Bond was just one of many times he had personal basis, which made him a poor critic. Every Disney movie made after The Little Mermaid till his death, he measured against it (often calling the songs non classics, as soon as the movie came out).That’s him being a poor professional critic. I do miss these two, but I definitely miss Ebert a lot more.

    They were a great double act. I disagreed with Siskel a lot, but I always enjoyed listening to him. The fact that he didn't really attempt to suppress his own personal tastes and/or dislikes made him more entertaining. The closest you get to that now is Kermode reviewing a Michael Bay or Sex And The City movie.
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    BT3366 wrote: »
    This may be controversial, but I had never watched a Jurassic Park film until earlier this year. I think it was 3, whichever one has William H. Macy and Tea Leoni trying to find their son on the island, and that was only because it followed another film we were watching on lazy Saturday afternoon and we just didn't bother to change the channel. It wasn't a bad way to pass the time, I have to admit, but didn't encourage me to see others.

    People being pursued by CGI dinosaurs just never appealed to me. Just how many variations of that do we need? When the first one came out I couldn't have cared less. A friend got the VHS and I saw parts of the first, but not enough to make me interested in seeing the whole thing.

    I never cared or any of those movies.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    I wish Jurassic Park never became a film franchise. The original is outstanding. Every single one after that gradually diminishes in quality (I haven't even seen Fallen Kingdom. I remember seeing the first trailer and saying, nope. Shut up and DON'T take my money)
    I remember really liking The Lost World way back when I saw it in theaters, but not as much anymore, though I suppose there are a few (very few) things here and there I kinda still like. III was awful and World was...ehh.
    I think each successive entry has only diluted the greatness of the original, and it's like, how many times must people be taught the same lesson about these things? Ugh. I always thought the concept of 'head canon' as childish, but for one time only I might make an exception for Jurassic Park sequels. [-(

    The problem I have with Jurassic World (and every time he’s a lead) is Chris Pratt. Dude has no range. I don’t see how Hollywood keeps casting him as a lead. As Reddit said, any actor can do what he does. I’m sure he’s a nice guy but a leading action man? NO WAY! On the other hand, I greatly enjoy Bryce Dallas Howard. She’s very underrated. Plus, she seems like a lady.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    BT3366 wrote: »
    This may be controversial, but I had never watched a Jurassic Park film until earlier this year. I think it was 3, whichever one has William H. Macy and Tea Leoni trying to find their son on the island, and that was only because it followed another film we were watching on lazy Saturday afternoon and we just didn't bother to change the channel. It wasn't a bad way to pass the time, I have to admit, but didn't encourage me to see others.

    People being pursued by CGI dinosaurs just never appealed to me. Just how many variations of that do we need? When the first one came out I couldn't have cared less. A friend got the VHS and I saw parts of the first, but not enough to make me interested in seeing the whole thing.

    I never cared or any of those movies.

    Me neither. Boring stuff.
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    I stumbled upon the first and original Jurassic Park film on TV once and thought I would give it a try. About twenty minutes in I gave up. The concept simply doesn't interest me at all.

    It is the same with the Alien films. It doesn't matter how many times I'm told by action film junkies they are great films. I simply have no interest in watching a fake, alien monster, let alone several of them... There are so many other great films out there I'd rather watch.
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    Saw Jurassic Park when it was originally released. Huge publicity and all about the effects. But i never liked it. Did nothing for me. Never bothered with the sequels or reboot!
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Those who never bothered with or even disliked the original Jurassic Park - how do you feel about other Spielberg fantasy/creature films like Jaws or even ET?
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Saw Jurassic Park when it was originally released. Huge publicity and all about the effects. But i never liked it. Did nothing for me. Never bothered with the sequels or reboot!

    Saw it on release as well. I quite enjoyed it, watched it the year after on VHS, then... Then completely forgot about it and never watched any sequel. The original JP had an original premisse, groundbreaking special effects and a mostly solid cast. The sequels have a tired and derivative premisse, competent but unoriginal special effects and forgettable casts. Why this became a franchise is beyond me.
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    Love 'Jaws'
    Hate 'E T.'!!
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    Well, I've never seen ET, though it's on the watchlist.

    I loved Jaws, but that one isn't really about the creature anyway. It's about three people from different socio-economical backrgrounds trying to get along and work together. The shark is only a device to get them in that situation.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Those who never bothered with or even disliked the original Jurassic Park - how do you feel about other Spielberg fantasy/creature films like Jaws or even ET?
    Those who never bothered with or even disliked the original Jurassic Park - how do you feel about other Spielberg fantasy/creature films like Jaws or even ET?

    Never enjoyed them.
  • ThunderballThunderball playing Chemin de Fer in a casino, downing Vespers
    edited September 2020 Posts: 776
    I was a dinosaur fanatic as a small boy back in the early to mid-'80s. When I saw Jurassic Park in the theater at age 13 almost 14, it reawakened the dinosaur-lover in me. When that first dinosaur appears, a Brachiosaurus if I remember right, I wept. That is the only time computer-generated special effects did that to me. Even though Spielberg is my second favorite film director and even though this isn't my favorite film of his, not even close (that's E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial, my #1 favorite film ever), it still runs deep.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Love 'Jaws'
    Hate 'E T.'!!

    Oh mate, how can you hate E.T??!!! 😮😁

    I must admit, Spielberg was my idol growing up. He really sparked my love and interest in movies.

    I saw Jurassic Park 4 times at the cinema. I loved it. But I've always loved Dinosaurs 👍
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    Oddly the Jurassic Park film I enjoyed the most was the third one. Seemed less pretentious and had more of an old school B movie vibe, which I love.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Those who never bothered with or even disliked the original Jurassic Park - how do you feel about other Spielberg fantasy/creature films like Jaws or even ET?
    Those who never bothered with or even disliked the original Jurassic Park - how do you feel about other Spielberg fantasy/creature films like Jaws or even ET?

    Never enjoyed them.

    You never enjoyed Jaws? That is a rarity, for sure.
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    Those who never bothered with or even disliked the original Jurassic Park - how do you feel about other Spielberg fantasy/creature films like Jaws or even ET?

    Jaws is decent, though severly overrated. E. T. is a dross...
  • edited September 2020 Posts: 17,241
    A very controversial opinion: I'm not that much a fan of Steven Spielberg…

    He's made a lot of films that you'd obviously consider good – but none of his films have really stuck with me.
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    Those who never bothered with or even disliked the original Jurassic Park - how do you feel about other Spielberg fantasy/creature films like Jaws or even ET?
    I saw Jaws when I was a kid when it was released long after all the hype and never was a huge fan but I own it and still appreciate it. But the difference between Jaws and Jurassic Park is sharks are a real thing and have always fascinated and caused fear, which makes its premise more gripping. It could happen to you.

    I never read the Michael Crichton Jurassic Park novel, but it's a case where it sounds more interesting than the screen version. Dinosaurs just don't do it for me.

    As for ET, never seen it and never had any desire to. I was a teen when it came out and it seemed like kiddie show, not something I would want to waste time on and I've always been amazed that for years it was the top grossing film of all time.
  • edited September 2020 Posts: 6,682
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Oddly the Jurassic Park film I enjoyed the most was the third one. Seemed less pretentious and had more of an old school B movie vibe, which I love.
    I prefer 2 and 3 over 1.

    I like how simple and small the story of 3 is. For the most part, it is a rescue mission, and that's it. No large groups of people, just an unlucky few who venture into the island, willingly or not. I love the ruse of "Kirby Enterprises" (always run a background check...), and the character of Udesky. Sam Neill is very cool as well, but that goes without saying. I love the sense of dark humor that he can convey in his roles.

    In 2, I enjoy seeing how Malcolm has changed after the events of the first film; he's moodier and lacking the arrogance of before. Arliss Howard was born to play his role. Pete Postlethwaite is terrific as well, and that story about Mount Everest is a satisfying yet succinct way in which to convey his character's mindset.

    One of my favorite moments from the film is that brilliant transition from the screaming woman to Malcolm yawning in the subway, with the palm trees ad behind him. There's also that scene in which Stormare faces those tiny dinosaurs. At first there appears to be no significant danger, but slowly, the scene becomes more sinister and those small creatures become more threatening...

    I also really like the music score of the film, and especially the main theme.

    There are some really cool deleted scenes in the DVD, including a board meeting with Ludlow that explains much of what happened after 1, and a fight scene with Tembo that fleshes out both Tembo and Ajay's characters. I understand why they were cut (they do say one must be ruthless in editing...), but I'm happy they were included in the DVD as they're terrific.

    1 is my least favorite but it's a splendid film as well, and after all, without it, films 2 and 3 wouldn't exist.
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    A very controversial opinion: I'm not that much a fan of Steven Spielberg…

    He's made a lot of films that you'd obviously consider good – but none of his films have really stuck with me.


    I am with you on this. Spielberg has a workmanlike, professional knowledge of film making and an incredible eye for action. But his films mostly lack heart and rearly hit home on an emotional level. Schindler´s List and Saving Private Ryan are his best films in my opinion, but I would class neither as true masterpieces.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Interesting to hear these things from multiple people at once, considering I rarely hear them from anyone, well....ever. Controversial, indeed!

    How do people feel about Raiders of the Lost Ark, then? One of the best adventure films ever made, for me. Ticks all of the boxes as "pure cinema".
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Interesting to hear these things from multiple people at once, considering I rarely hear them from anyone, well....ever. Controversial, indeed!

    How do people feel about Raiders of the Lost Ark, then? One of the best adventure films ever made, for me. Ticks all of the boxes as "pure cinema".

    I used to love it and thought it was one of the best movies ever, but as I have grown older I see there is a lot of bad stuff in there. Enjoyable kid movie, but it isn t even the best Jones film.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,009
    Interesting to hear these things from multiple people at once, considering I rarely hear them from anyone, well....ever. Controversial, indeed!

    How do people feel about Raiders of the Lost Ark, then? One of the best adventure films ever made, for me. Ticks all of the boxes as "pure cinema".

    I used to love it and thought it was one of the best movies ever, but as I have grown older I see there is a lot of bad stuff in there. Enjoyable kid movie, but it isn t even the best Jones film.

    Which one is? The Last Crusade?
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    I would say Munich is my favourite of his, with Jaws coming in second. Many of the others are good without being great. At least for me that is.
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