No Time to Die production thread (MINOR SPOILERS ALLOWED)

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  • Posts: 225
    mtm wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    Regardless of what happens to NTTD there is the possibility that the era of theatrical releases may be coming to an end. It may be a loooong time before people are comfortable being in a public theater and many people seem fine to view first run films on streaming.

    Yeah that does sound believable.

    I don't see it. People would still be going to non-essential stores if local and national governments didn't force them into self-distancing/quarantine. Pound for pound, a night at the movies is still a relatively inexpensive form of mass entertainment. Warner Brothers could be optimistic in slotting WW84 for August but they're in contact with the same experts that governments/other industries are consulting. We'll have a good idea of where we're all at with this thing come mid-May.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 6,094
    delfloria wrote: »
    Theatrical releases are always going to be a thing, I would say. We may experience a shift in the way films in general are produced, and the excessive amounts that are spent on them, though.

    I say that simply because the way the streaming model is currently (and it's pretty much the same across the board, regardless of whether it's Disney or Netflix), there's no way films costing $250million+ are going to be regularly premiered on platforms like that where they have no chance of recouping their cost.

    What may happen is we'll see a reduction in the massive numbers of financially bloated blockbusters that are released every year. We'll still get films like that in theatres, while anything up to a mid-sized film could be put out on a streaming services where the numbers are more likely to balance out.

    As much as I ALWAYS watch 007 films in theaters and NEVER watch them on video, I can't help but think that if theaters cease to be viable venues it is still more likely that blockbusters will be produced and released on streaming but their pricing will reflect their budgets as the norm in the future. Theaters make their money at the concession stands and not from the films themselves. Though I would HATE to see NTTD premiere digitally, I have the terrible feeling that NTTD will be released on streaming. Perhaps we'd see it on the big screen at a revival theater.

    So we're not talking a subscription price when it comes to streaming, we're talking about a one-off payment for each film when it's released, ala NowTV? I don't know. It'd have to be a pretty hefty price hike and people were already complaining about the price of tickets for theaters as it was, in my experience. I just don't see it as a viable model, and if they increase the price to compensate for it then they're just delaying the inevitable.

    It's apples and oranges in terms of production costs, but I am curious to see what sort of money THE INVISIBLE MAN did on its first day of release.
  • DrClatterhandDrClatterhand United Kingdom
    Posts: 349
    I'd watch it on my phone if I could. Not too precious about the cinema these days. They're generally populated by people that don't seem to want to watch a film with any real intent. Folk talk, eat really noisily, go on their mobiles, take 8 toilet breaks, etc.
    I hope Netflix and others finally kill theaters off. They've been dying out for years.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,432
    I'd watch it on my phone if I could. Not too precious about the cinema these days. They're generally populated by people that don't seem to want to watch a film with any real intent. Folk talk, eat really noisily, go on their mobiles, take 8 toilet breaks, etc.
    I hope Netflix and others finally kill theaters off. They've been dying out for years.

    The idea of watching a new Bond film on a phone is the last of last resorts. In a hospital bed with COVID-19 and hours to live, sign me up. Otherwise, screw that. However, I do accept that most people are Philistines and have no genuine interest in the artistic/cultural merit of cinema.
  • Posts: 230
    Burgess wrote: »
    ertert wrote: »
    Burgess wrote: »
    ertert wrote: »
    imranbecks wrote: »
    I have a strong feeling the movie will be released digitally come November if the situation doesn't improve worldwide. Right now it doesn't look like it's gonna improve TBH. I'm sure I speak for some, or many Bond fans when I say that we just want to see the movie. So for me, i don't mind it being released digitally. And the last thing I want is for them to keep pushing the release to a later date. Was planning to watch it at IMAX but oh well.... Digital release is still better than not getting to see it at all or if it keeps getting delayed and delayed till who knows when this whole Covid-19 will end.

    Agreed 100%. Waiting another year+ to see the film would really suck. Most pandemics last years, not months. Anybody who thinks this will be over by November is ignoring all currently available evidence. Especially with how poorly many governments are responding to this. They should release it digitally and then get right going on B26 rather than waiting another 3 years to even start it.

    As far as Safin and the car chase, it was stated in the Total Film article that Safin is commanding his minions from a helicopter, so I don't think he drives in it. We will see though!

    "Over" is relative term right now. I don't think anyone, besides the American President, has any illusion that COVID-19 will be eliminated or resolved by November. The hope is to ride out the climax into early Spring so that we don't overtax our resources. COVID-19 will be with us for the foreseeable future. November 2020 may not be like November 2019 but it hopefully, in terms of the economy and medicine, will be better than March 2020.

    Agreed and fair enough, I just think it's completely unrealistic to think people will be going to the movies in November and I'm wondering what the financial implications are of delaying it another 1-2 years vs. releasing on streaming in November.

    If they release go Google Play where you can pay $5 to rent it or $20 to buy it, or a subscriber-based platform like Netflix. I don't know how the economics of any of that work.

    Good point but, anecdotally, if people can't be convinced not to go on Spring break then convincing them to come out to a theater in seven months won't be an issue.

    Good point right back.
  • edited March 2020 Posts: 5,200
    I know at least one Bond fan that has since died from covid-19 and I suppose he would've loved to see it on a phone, on a streaming service, or whatever. To call people on their death beds or sick and worried they'll die, Philistines, at this point, is simply nonsensical.

    I adore cinema and the artistic and cultural merit of cinema. That being said, these are war times, and as such, we have to adapt and think outside our preference boxes.

    How many Bond fans will die and have been dying without watching the film because the industry insists on a venue that may be dead by next year? And if they do open theatres by then, how many people will feel comfortable enough to go to these crowded places? There will be post traumatic syndrome, diverse fobias, social anxiety,...

    People have to make peace with the fact that this whole situation is forcing the world to change rapidly, and if we want to survive, literal and psychologically, we'll have to revise, reform, renew, rethink.

    If one day all of this goes away, then there will be a time to come back to what we love, the way we love it. Now, we are at war.

    I won't be distraught if the film gets released on the telly, on the web,... There are bigger problems to worry about. Bond would be a welcomed and cool balm. That's all.

    It's not as if it getting released online would be the end of the world as we know it. Because the end of the world as we know it has been happening for the last week or so.

    Let's all adapt and try our best to be our best, shall we?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited March 2020 Posts: 6,034
    Burgess wrote: »
    ertert wrote: »
    Burgess wrote: »
    ertert wrote: »
    imranbecks wrote: »
    I have a strong feeling the movie will be released digitally come November if the situation doesn't improve worldwide. Right now it doesn't look like it's gonna improve TBH. I'm sure I speak for some, or many Bond fans when I say that we just want to see the movie. So for me, i don't mind it being released digitally. And the last thing I want is for them to keep pushing the release to a later date. Was planning to watch it at IMAX but oh well.... Digital release is still better than not getting to see it at all or if it keeps getting delayed and delayed till who knows when this whole Covid-19 will end.

    Agreed 100%. Waiting another year+ to see the film would really suck. Most pandemics last years, not months. Anybody who thinks this will be over by November is ignoring all currently available evidence. Especially with how poorly many governments are responding to this. They should release it digitally and then get right going on B26 rather than waiting another 3 years to even start it.

    As far as Safin and the car chase, it was stated in the Total Film article that Safin is commanding his minions from a helicopter, so I don't think he drives in it. We will see though!

    "Over" is relative term right now. I don't think anyone, besides the American President, has any illusion that COVID-19 will be eliminated or resolved by November. The hope is to ride out the climax into early Spring so that we don't overtax our resources. COVID-19 will be with us for the foreseeable future. November 2020 may not be like November 2019 but it hopefully, in terms of the economy and medicine, will be better than March 2020.

    Agreed and fair enough, I just think it's completely unrealistic to think people will be going to the movies in November and I'm wondering what the financial implications are of delaying it another 1-2 years vs. releasing on streaming in November.

    If they release go Google Play where you can pay $5 to rent it or $20 to buy it, or a subscriber-based platform like Netflix. I don't know how the economics of any of that work.

    Good point but, anecdotally, if people can't be convinced not to go on Spring break then convincing them to come out to a theater in seven months won't be an issue.

    I think folks' perceptions will shift pretty quickly. In a month or two those kids will most probably have a different point of view.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 4,198
    Univex wrote: »
    I know at least one Bond fan that has since died from covid-19 and I suppose he would've loved to see it on a phone, on a streaming service, or whatever. To call people on their death beds or sick and worried they'll die, Philistines, at this point, is simply nonsensical.

    I adore cinema and the artistic and cultural merit of cinema. That being said, these are war times, and as such, we have to adapt and think outside our preference boxes.

    How many Bond fans will die and have been dying without watching the film because the industry insists on a venue that may be dead by next year? And if they do open theatres by then, how many people will feel comfortable enough to go to these crowded places? There will be post traumatic syndrome, diverse fobias, social anxiety,...

    People have to make peace with the fact that this whole situation is forcing the world to change rapidly, and if we want to survive, literal and psychologically, we'll have to revise, reform, renew, rethink.

    If one day all of this goes away, then there will be a time to come back to what we love, the way we love it. Now, we are at war.

    I won't be distraught if the film gets released on the telly, on the web,... There are bigger problems to worry about. Bond would be a welcomed and cool balm. That's all.

    It's not as if it getting released online would be the end of the world as we know it. Because the end of the world as we know it has been happening for the last week or so.

    Let's all adapt and try our best to be our best, shall we?

    I basically agree with you. If it's November 2020 and there's no vaccine and I'm sitting in a theater and someone coughs or sneezes, I know it's going to take me right out of the film.

    So at that point, if we're looking at 12-18 months from now for a vaccine, I'd rather the movie be (1) released on streaming or (2) released in summer or fall 2021.

    I trust that BB and MGW will think this through. They did, after all, see that early April 2020 was untenable.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 8,132
    Will their judgment be even ahead of our own, @echo? Likely.
  • matt_u wrote: »
    I refuse to see the most epic modern Bond film ever on a bloody laptop.

    Get a projector. I have only ever seen Spectre projected, never seen it on a TV or a laptop.
  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
    Posts: 2,415
    Is this really Malek? At the same time it does looks like Safins lair at Pinewood. The insta-account that reposted it also claims it's from Esquire Spain:

    New promo photo for the 25th James Bond movie “No time to die” in @esquirees by @gregwilliamsphotography


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  • RC7RC7
    edited March 2020 Posts: 10,432
    Univex wrote: »
    I know at least one Bond fan that has since died from covid-19 and I suppose he would've loved to see it on a phone, on a streaming service, or whatever. To call people on their death beds or sick and worried they'll die, Philistines, at this point, is simply nonsensical.

    I adore cinema and the artistic and cultural merit of cinema. That being said, these are war times, and as such, we have to adapt and think outside our preference boxes.

    How many Bond fans will die and have been dying without watching the film because the industry insists on a venue that may be dead by next year? And if they do open theatres by then, how many people will feel comfortable enough to go to these crowded places? There will be post traumatic syndrome, diverse fobias, social anxiety,...

    People have to make peace with the fact that this whole situation is forcing the world to change rapidly, and if we want to survive, literal and psychologically, we'll have to revise, reform, renew, rethink.

    If one day all of this goes away, then there will be a time to come back to what we love, the way we love it. Now, we are at war.

    I won't be distraught if the film gets released on the telly, on the web,... There are bigger problems to worry about. Bond would be a welcomed and cool balm. That's all.

    It's not as if it getting released online would be the end of the world as we know it. Because the end of the world as we know it has been happening for the last week or so.

    Let's all adapt and try our best to be our best, shall we?

    Hold your horses. That isn’t what’s I said, is it? Don’t put words in my mouth.

    I said in specific circumstances, i.e. on my death bed, I’d lap up the chance to see it via a phone.

    However, and this was in response to a specific post about Netflix hopefully killing off theatres, I recognise there are many Philistines out there. Particularly here in the UK where we are playing catch-up with places like Germany who’ve ring-fenced 50bn to help workers in the freelance sectors of the arts/culture.

    As someone who is in that sector I’m exceptionally lucky to still be in work unlike manly of my colleagues who are up shit creek without a paddle.

    I’m fully aware of the horrific nature of this virus, and it’s impact is far reaching, but it doesn’t nullify all lines of conversation. I’m happy to wait and see this movie in theatres, even if it takes 18 months.

    EDIT: Just to confirm - this is a point of view that I hold regardless of the current situation as the conversation of streaming v cinema is not a new one. I’m in no way being flippant about the impact this may have on people physically and mentally (myself included) going forward. Just to clarify.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    Posts: 2,541
    How about releasing the film for 60th anniversary :D , i believe virus & all the panic, anxiety would be gone by that time.
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
    Posts: 684
    I am very lucky to own a large screen and projector so I would be fine to pay 20 $/EUR to watch the new Bond film at home - still would prefer to go to the cinema though. I like the experience. But it‘s so unclear by now what the world will look like in November.

    Everything may be back to normal - means: All movie theaters are open to 100% of their capacity again - then NTTD has a huge chance to make more money than Skyfall did. But if it‘s open to maybe 50% EoN may think about another move or really a digital release.

    I guess a lot comes down to these experimental digital releases and how much they can make utilizing this model. It will be very interesting to see.

    Anyway - I don‘t mind to wait until November for NTTD ... but waiting another year then would really annoy me.
  • edited March 2020 Posts: 3,266
    SeanCraig wrote: »
    I am very lucky to own a large screen and projector so I would be fine to pay 20 $/EUR to watch the new Bond film at home - still would prefer to go to the cinema though. I like the experience. But it‘s so unclear by now what the world will look like in November.

    Everything may be back to normal - means: All movie theaters are open to 100% of their capacity again - then NTTD has a huge chance to make more money than Skyfall did. But if it‘s open to maybe 50% EoN may think about another move or really a digital release.

    I guess a lot comes down to these experimental digital releases and how much they can make utilizing this model. It will be very interesting to see.

    Anyway - I don‘t mind to wait until November for NTTD ... but waiting another year then would really annoy me.

    They will not postpone if for another year.

    What happened to this thread? :-?
  • OctopussyOctopussy Piz Gloria, Schilthorn, Switzerland.
    Posts: 1,081
    Contraband wrote: »
    Is this really Malek? At the same time it does looks like Safins lair at Pinewood. The insta-account that reposted it also claims it's from Esquire Spain:

    New promo photo for the 25th James Bond movie “No time to die” in @esquirees by @gregwilliamsphotography


    Christ! He looks pretty terrifying in this photo.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 6,094
    RC7 wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    I know at least one Bond fan that has since died from covid-19 and I suppose he would've loved to see it on a phone, on a streaming service, or whatever. To call people on their death beds or sick and worried they'll die, Philistines, at this point, is simply nonsensical.

    I adore cinema and the artistic and cultural merit of cinema. That being said, these are war times, and as such, we have to adapt and think outside our preference boxes.

    How many Bond fans will die and have been dying without watching the film because the industry insists on a venue that may be dead by next year? And if they do open theatres by then, how many people will feel comfortable enough to go to these crowded places? There will be post traumatic syndrome, diverse fobias, social anxiety,...

    People have to make peace with the fact that this whole situation is forcing the world to change rapidly, and if we want to survive, literal and psychologically, we'll have to revise, reform, renew, rethink.

    If one day all of this goes away, then there will be a time to come back to what we love, the way we love it. Now, we are at war.

    I won't be distraught if the film gets released on the telly, on the web,... There are bigger problems to worry about. Bond would be a welcomed and cool balm. That's all.

    It's not as if it getting released online would be the end of the world as we know it. Because the end of the world as we know it has been happening for the last week or so.

    Let's all adapt and try our best to be our best, shall we?

    Hold your horses. That isn’t what’s I said, is it? Don’t put words in my mouth.

    I said in specific circumstances, i.e. on my death bed, I’d lap up the chance to see it via a phone.

    However, and this was in response to a specific post about Netflix hopefully killing off theatres, I recognise there are many Philistines out there. Particularly here in the UK where we are playing catch-up with places like Germany who’ve ring-fenced 50bn to help workers in the freelance sectors of the arts/culture.

    As someone who is in that sector I’m exceptionally lucky to still be in work unlike manly of my colleagues who are up shit creek without a paddle.

    I’m fully aware of the horrific nature of this virus, and it’s impact is far reaching, but it doesn’t nullify all lines of conversation. I’m happy to wait and see this movie in theatres, even if it takes 18 months.

    EDIT: Just to confirm - this is a point of view that I hold regardless of the current situation as the conversation of streaming v cinema is not a new one. I’m in no way being flippant about the impact this may have on people physically and mentally (myself included) going forward. Just to clarify.

    Yes, I didn't read what you said as being flippant or dismissive either and I am in full agreement with you regarding streaming. I can only speak for myself, but I am also happy to wait.
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    Not a single "big chief" of a major studio has said that they will turn to streaming. WWII has been delayed until August.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 6,094
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    Not a single "big chief" of a major studio has said that they will turn to streaming. WWII has been delayed until August.

    We're aware.
  • edited March 2020 Posts: 4,251
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    Not a single "big chief" of a major studio has said that they will turn to streaming. WWII has been delayed until August.

    You can't release on streaming. These films costs a lot of money and they need theatrical distribution. Otherwise the current business model of $200m+ blockbusters cannot survive in the marketplace without global cinema releases. This is the ecosystem that model operates in.

    The absolute worst case scenario is that all 2020 blockbusters become 2021 blockbusters.

    This is more likely than people think as all the big 2021 film currently being filmed have stopped filming and may well not be ready for 2021.......
    Contraband wrote: »
    Is this really Malek? At the same time it does looks like Safins lair at Pinewood. The insta-account that reposted it also claims it's from Esquire Spain:

    New promo photo for the 25th James Bond movie “No time to die” in @esquirees by @gregwilliamsphotography


    Adore this picture. Great find @Contraband

    Clearly from the latest 'Bond on Set' or whatever it is that Greg William is working on....can we assume that the photo is Malek in costume?

    We have only seen Safin in two costumes.....
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 6,094
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    Not a single "big chief" of a major studio has said that they will turn to streaming. WWII has been delayed until August.

    You can't release on streaming. These films costs a lot of money and they need theatrical distribution. Otherwise the current business model of $200m+ blockbusters cannot survive in the marketplace without global cinema releases. This is the ecosystem that model operates in.

    The absolute worst case scenario is that all 2020 blockbusters become 2021 blockbusters.

    This is more likely than people think as all the big 2021 film currently being filmed have stopped filming and may well not be ready for 2021.......

    This is a good, original point. I could have sworn I read it somewhere before, though! ;)
  • edited March 2020 Posts: 3,266
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    Not a single "big chief" of a major studio has said that they will turn to streaming. WWII has been delayed until August.

    We're aware.

    I know that all of us are aware. This streaming panic is not necessary at all.

    Suaimhneas.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 6,094
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    Not a single "big chief" of a major studio has said that they will turn to streaming. WWII has been delayed until August.

    We're aware.

    I know that all of us are aware. This streaming panic is not necessary at all.

    Suaimhneas.

    It's an interesting conversation though, mo chara!
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    But I'm here to counterattack ;-)

    Sláinte.

    :)>-
  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
    Posts: 2,415
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    Not a single "big chief" of a major studio has said that they will turn to streaming. WWII has been delayed until August.

    You can't release on streaming. These films costs a lot of money and they need theatrical distribution. Otherwise the current business model of $200m+ blockbusters cannot survive in the marketplace without global cinema releases. This is the ecosystem that model operates in.

    The absolute worst case scenario is that all 2020 blockbusters become 2021 blockbusters.

    This is more likely than people think as all the big 2021 film currently being filmed have stopped filming and may well not be ready for 2021.......
    Contraband wrote: »
    Is this really Malek? At the same time it does looks like Safins lair at Pinewood. The insta-account that reposted it also claims it's from Esquire Spain:

    New promo photo for the 25th James Bond movie “No time to die” in @esquirees by @gregwilliamsphotography


    Adore this picture. Great find @Contraband

    Clearly from the latest 'Bond on Set' or whatever it is that Greg William is working on....can we assume that the photo is Malek in costume?

    We have only seen Safin in two costumes.....

    @Pierce2Daniel I can't find the damn source, spanish magazine. Frustating. I would assume there's more pics of him from the set.

    And I don't think it's Safin's clothes at all. Rami is dressed as himself in designers suit (Tom Ford maybe) for the photoshoot and Greg W / the magazine have just placed him in that cool environment.
  • RyanRyan Canada
    Posts: 354
    I'd honestly be okay with it going to streaming/digital purchase if this continues beyond reasonable control. Certainly I'd prefer to see a new Bond up on the big screen but current events are unprecedented. The global landscape is changing by the day. I'd happily set up some time during quarantine to watch the film completely undistracted in the comfort of my home. It's not ideal but there are bigger things to worry about than a new Bond film, I'm afraid. In the grand scheme of things it's just not that important. Yes, the film cost a lot of money, but it's also not making any money by seeing no release at all in the near future. Sitting on it for two years seems unlikely.

    Side note - I'm not sure why some people think that streaming = watching it on your phone. I wouldn't want to experience a new Bond for the first time on my phone, but streamed to my 4K television? Why not.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited March 2020 Posts: 3,638
    Contraband wrote: »
    Is this really Malek? At the same time it does looks like Safins lair at Pinewood. The insta-account that reposted it also claims it's from Esquire Spain:

    New promo photo for the 25th James Bond movie “No time to die” in @esquirees by @gregwilliamsphotography


    How much glass and highed there wil be this time..



    ;)

    Deisgn/look already look like inprovement (very Dr No/GE), with i hope longer use of it too. If wil be big los if not.

  • TuxedoTuxedo Europe
    Posts: 214
    Sorry, this is not the right threat but I felt to share. All cinemas are closed in Germany but we can support them online. Go to hilfdeinemkino.de and pick your local theatre. Then you can support that theatre in streaming cinema ads.
  • HildebrandRarityHildebrandRarity Centre international d'assistance aux personnes déplacées, Paris, France
    Posts: 222
    Univex wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    I love them all. Well, except for this one:
    hqdefault.jpg

    Think that's bad? Hold my beer...

    https://drivetribe.com/p/is-this-1987-aston-martin-lagonda-Farm5vPdR1Kj2l3u_JcJSQ?iid=YSoOwbWfRX6OrzdsWBELWw

    Oh my, they made it worse!!
    Brilliant ;)

    I think it’s extremely good looking.

    For a hearse, I mean.
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