Daniel Craig Era in Retrospect:What does he mean to you.

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  • Posts: 6,665
    I’d buy that car. Whatever car that is.

    :-D

    Seriously now, what?!
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Escalus5 wrote: »
    It's a superficial performance more suited to an automobile advertisement.


    Surely this is hyperbole and you're stirring the pot.

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    peter wrote: »
    Escalus5 wrote: »
    It's a superficial performance more suited to an automobile advertisement.


    Surely this is hyperbole and you're stirring the pot.

    No.

    You asked me to explain my opinion -- I did. Whether you accept it is your problem, not mine.
  • edited February 2020 Posts: 6,665
    So what you’re saying, @Escalus5, is that you find Craig’s acting to be similar to Lazenby’s? Cause he was a car seller, ya know? ;)

    Seriously now, one can argue about many aspects of Mr. Craig’s suitability to play Bond (although many like myself will rightly say that discussion is moot and overdone, and that Mr, Craig has more than proven his suitability), but one cannot be seriously engaged in cinema and acting and say that he is a bad actor.

    I love Brosnan, I really do, and he undeniably looks the part, but wanna see bad acting? He’s a prime example of an overacting tv actor, who has a trademark painface and a set of poses that can fill a fashion catalog.

    Craig a bad actor? Surely you must be joking.

    And he was super invested in SF.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    There's no problem, @Escalus5 ... but c'mon, you don't like Craig's performance, whatever. But comparing it to a car commercial actor... It's a little over the top, don't you think? Hate Craig/love Craig, I think most people can agree his acting caliber is not, and has never been, on par with a TV commercial actor. That's just being silly.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    Also I don't remember ever hearing his accent slip, sorry couldn't resist that.

    "thing were about to get nasty"
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Escalus5 wrote: »
    It's a superficial performance more suited to an automobile advertisement.

    I agree. I find Craig one note and not very engaging. His emotionless performance as Bond would make for a perfect Vulcan in Star Trek though.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Escalus5 wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    Escalus5 wrote: »
    It's a superficial performance more suited to an automobile advertisement.


    Surely this is hyperbole and you're stirring the pot.

    No.

    You asked me to explain my opinion -- I did. Whether you accept it is your problem, not mine.

    Anger? Check. Bitterness? Check. Dalton fan? Check. Come on in, join the club.

    And if anyone is going to attack Dalton for his accent, at least put a modicum of effort in to it.

    "Things were about to turn nasteh."

    There, you can thank me any time you want.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Hmmm... car salesman in a commercial, to Vulcan. Different ends of the acting spectrum. I would know: once upon a time I was in commercials, and performing like a Vulcan would never have got me a gig (incidentally, commercial work pays quite well to the point that three commercials I did paid for my wedding, lol!).
  • Daniel316Daniel316 United States
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    What do I think of Craig in retrospect? well some may not like this but I find him to be a complete mockery of the Bond character and a terrible rip-off of Jason Bourne who was already awful to begin with. Craig has charisma, intriuge or acting ability like Connery, Dalton, Moore and Brosnan (the latter 2 especially) and his potrayal makes Bond look like an edgy emo whiny teenage wimp who cannot fight or learn to be a man. So yeah I think Craig is easily the worst Bond and I hope that the next Bond can make Bond be how he should be but I won't hold my breath on it.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Daniel316 wrote: »
    What do I think of Craig in retrospect? well some may not like this but I find him to be a complete mockery of the Bond character and a terrible rip-off of Jason Bourne who was already awful to begin with. Craig has charisma, intriuge or acting ability like Connery, Dalton, Moore and Brosnan (the latter 2 especially) and his potrayal makes Bond look like an edgy emo whiny teenage wimp who cannot fight or learn to be a man. So yeah I think Craig is easily the worst Bond and I hope that the next Bond can make Bond be how he should be but I won't hold my breath on it.

    Who "should (Bond) be", @Daniel316 ?
  • Daniel316Daniel316 United States
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    What the first 5 Bonds were? Bond before Craig was Suave, Classy, Badass, A ladies man, Humorous and saved the world on top of being fun to watch and being someone you wanted to be like. Craig fails to meet that description at every turn and his movies lack signature elements that made Bond what he is, so for that he is easily the worst Bond imo.

  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    peter wrote: »
    Hmmm... car salesman in a commercial, to Vulcan. Different ends of the acting spectrum. I would know: once upon a time I was in commercials, and performing like a Vulcan would never have got me a gig (incidentally, commercial work pays quite well to the point that three commercials I did paid for my wedding, lol!).

    If Vulcans advertised cars I'd probably make a more conscious effort to watch more advertisements, @peter
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Daniel316 wrote: »
    What the first 5 Bonds were? Bond before Craig was Suave, Classy, Badass, A ladies man, Humorous and saved the world on top of being fun to watch and being someone you wanted to be like. Craig fails to meet that description at every turn and his movies lack signature elements that made Bond what he is, so for that he is easily the worst Bond imo.

    It's a shame, but I feel Craig ticks these boxes for me. I know when he rose out of the ocean in CR he had ladies hearts fluttering (as well as some males); he was sardonic in humour (i.e. he didn't need to say "I thought Christmas only comes once a year" to get a laugh (please see Craig order a room in QoS); and although his films are grounded, he is doing his job.

    But, in the end, as you say, your opinion. Not out to change it. Thanks for expanding.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    peter wrote: »
    Hmmm... car salesman in a commercial, to Vulcan. Different ends of the acting spectrum. I would know: once upon a time I was in commercials, and performing like a Vulcan would never have got me a gig (incidentally, commercial work pays quite well to the point that three commercials I did paid for my wedding, lol!).

    If Vulcans advertised cars I'd probably make a more conscious effort to watch more advertisements, @peter

    Actually, @CraigMooreOHMSS .... (lol)

    I just find it hard to believe someone is calling Craig a poser when that was Brosnan's repertoire. He didn't kiss a woman without posing to "kiss" a woman. He posed "punches". He posed "listening". He posed "emotions"... Out of all the Bond's, Pierce was the poser. The others worked inside of their strengths.

    In my opinion.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    peter wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    Hmmm... car salesman in a commercial, to Vulcan. Different ends of the acting spectrum. I would know: once upon a time I was in commercials, and performing like a Vulcan would never have got me a gig (incidentally, commercial work pays quite well to the point that three commercials I did paid for my wedding, lol!).

    If Vulcans advertised cars I'd probably make a more conscious effort to watch more advertisements, @peter

    Actually, @CraigMooreOHMSS .... (lol)

    I just find it hard to believe someone is calling Craig a poser when that was Brosnan's repertoire. He didn't kiss a woman without posing to "kiss" a woman. He posed "punches". He posed "listening". He posed "emotions"... Out of all the Bond's, Pierce was the poser. The others worked inside of their strengths.

    In my opinion.

    I actually like each actor to have played Bond quite a bit, so it's even more difficult for me to contribute to this particular line of thinking, @peter. I would say Pierce worked to his strengths, too - that is why he was so popular after all! Likewise, the same goes for Craig, although I do think he fit the rookie agent description a lot better (at least so far, NTTD looks like it's going to change my mind!)

    There's a diplomatic answer for you, to say the least. :))
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    peter wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    Hmmm... car salesman in a commercial, to Vulcan. Different ends of the acting spectrum. I would know: once upon a time I was in commercials, and performing like a Vulcan would never have got me a gig (incidentally, commercial work pays quite well to the point that three commercials I did paid for my wedding, lol!).

    If Vulcans advertised cars I'd probably make a more conscious effort to watch more advertisements, @peter

    Actually, @CraigMooreOHMSS .... (lol)

    I just find it hard to believe someone is calling Craig a poser when that was Brosnan's repertoire. He didn't kiss a woman without posing to "kiss" a woman. He posed "punches". He posed "listening". He posed "emotions"... Out of all the Bond's, Pierce was the poser. The others worked inside of their strengths.

    In my opinion.

    I actually like each actor to have played Bond quite a bit, so it's even more difficult for me to contribute to this particular line of thinking, @peter. I would say Pierce worked to his strengths, too - that is why he was so popular after all! Likewise, the same goes for Craig, although I do think he fit the rookie agent description a lot better (at least so far, NTTD looks like it's going to change my mind!)

    There's a diplomatic answer for you, to say the least. :))

    Unfortunately, no how hard I tried, Brosnan was never Bond to me (although I enjoyed him thoroughly in other roles outside of Bond). I think the other actors, for better, or worse, played to their more natural charms.

    I cringed many times during the Brosnan's tenure (minus TND-- he was at his most natural there)
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    peter wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    Hmmm... car salesman in a commercial, to Vulcan. Different ends of the acting spectrum. I would know: once upon a time I was in commercials, and performing like a Vulcan would never have got me a gig (incidentally, commercial work pays quite well to the point that three commercials I did paid for my wedding, lol!).

    If Vulcans advertised cars I'd probably make a more conscious effort to watch more advertisements, @peter

    Actually, @CraigMooreOHMSS .... (lol)

    I just find it hard to believe someone is calling Craig a poser when that was Brosnan's repertoire. He didn't kiss a woman without posing to "kiss" a woman. He posed "punches". He posed "listening". He posed "emotions"... Out of all the Bond's, Pierce was the poser. The others worked inside of their strengths.

    In my opinion.

    I actually like each actor to have played Bond quite a bit, so it's even more difficult for me to contribute to this particular line of thinking, @peter. I would say Pierce worked to his strengths, too - that is why he was so popular after all! Likewise, the same goes for Craig, although I do think he fit the rookie agent description a lot better (at least so far, NTTD looks like it's going to change my mind!)

    There's a diplomatic answer for you, to say the least. :))

    Unfortunately, no how hard I tried, Brosnan was never Bond to me (although I enjoyed him thoroughly in other roles outside of Bond). I think the other actors, for better, or worse, played to their more natural charms.

    I cringed many times during the Brosnan's tenure (minus TND-- he was at his most natural there)

    I agree re: TND. His best performance. He was at his physical best there too, after being slightly light in frame in GE.

    But anyway, to take it back to Dan. He has brought me many moments of joy and I will be sad to see him go. Pierce was my childhood Bond, whereas Dan's take on the character was well-timed with my transition to adulthood in the late 00s, and that certainly had a big impact on me. I still remember seeing CR in a packed out theatre, and many of the individual moments of audience cheers are etched into my memory - Le Chiffre's torture scene being one in particular.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    To listen some of you it's like someone took your favourite toy and did unspeakable things with it.

    Oh the bitterness.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
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    Daniel is not my favorite bond but he is damn good actor. I seriously don't understand how can people say his acting is superficial. He is miles ahead than any bond actor(except Connery) or most action stars today.
  • Daniel316Daniel316 United States
    edited February 2020 Posts: 210
    I don't see how Craig, someone who acts like a statue for his whole tenure as Bond is better than the other Bond actors much less Roger Moore, Pierce Brosnan or Sean Connery who have way more talent, Charisma and range than Craig ever has lol. Craig is like the Max Payne movie to The original 5 Actor's Max Payne 2, in the sense that the latter is far better and refined to the Original source Material and isn't something that takes a dump on what the source material stood for (unLike The Max Payne Movie which does take a dump on what tthe Max Payne IP stood for and what Craig does to Bond). Tbh I thought he had a good start with Casino Royale and Quantum Of Solace and it looked as if he was gonna go back to how Bond should. See if Craig was how he was for his first 2 but slowly evolved into the Bond of old (by Skyfall he should've been that) then I wouldn't mind it so much, it's just I can't stand them trying to distance themselves from how Bond was for 40+ years, I mean his movies just feel so unbondian it's not even funny. Full disclosure I used to like Craig and his movies as a kid and Saw them all in theaters (NTTD will be the first I don't see) but when I got older and had time to reflect (after Spectre) while I was watching em again I realized that they not only weren't as exciting as the previously entries but they also felt so off and now I see why, it's because they changed everything and I don't like that. Regardless If you like him that's fine I ain't gonna jump on ya for liking him, I just don't like his style or how they stripped away what made Bond fun and who he was and to me he isn't a true Bond as a result of that, I watch Bond to have fun and escape reality not to watch a depressing moody and soap opera Level melodrama that reminds me of real life. Anyway that about raps up my thoughts I think.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
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    Controversial opinion: No bond actor (even Connery) could deliver something without any dialogues which Craig did in SF marksmanship scene. Look up at 1:25

    This was by far my favorite moment of Craig Era.
  • Posts: 4,599
    "Licence to Thrill" is one of my favourite books about Bond as it looks at Bond changing as a refection of how our culture/society has changed. The book needs updating IMHO as the DC era has continued this trend. I hate to label it as "snowflake" but there is a huge contrast between the RM era ("Nobody did it better") and the DC era. An era where our country doubt's itself re it's future and what role it should play with inner divisions and arguments. An era where mental health is high on the agenda: "get a grip" is rejected in favour of self help books, discussion groups, counselling etc etc. Clearly, this has reflected DC's era with much time spent looking inwards at personal history, relationships and emotions rather than the more traditional Bondian pursuits.Depending on you interpretation of this era, this has either been an opportunityh for DC to shine as an actor or some form of restriction. IMHO, over the era, he has spent too much time frustrated, angry, resentful, love lost etc etc. Not his fault at all as its down to the scripts but (though little fault of his own) his era wont be remembered with the same warmth and fondness as the RM era (for example).
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
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    Controversial opinion: No bond actor (even Connery) could deliver something without any dialogues which Craig did in SF marksmanship scene. Look up at 1:25

    This was by far my favorite moment of Craig Era.

    Very true, i would definitly put him above the others in acting talent (yes, even Connery).
    Craig plays Bond internally a lot, which we hadn't seen much of before, if any. Some people can't get used to that.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    edited February 2020 Posts: 4,043
    I'm wondering why a certain individual ie. @Daniel316 has just turned up to spill vitriol about Craig on here when a new film with that actor in it is about to be released.

    I'm sorry but what a bitter little troll you are my friend, a bit pathetic really, although this will no doubt send the anti DC brigade charging to defend your bitterness.
  • Posts: 6,665
    Controversial opinion: No bond actor (even Connery) could deliver something without any dialogues which Craig did in SF marksmanship scene. Look up at 1:25

    This was by far my favorite moment of Craig Era.

    Not a controversial opinion. As far as I'm concerned, that is a fact. You, sir, are absolutely correct.
  • Daniel316Daniel316 United States
    edited February 2020 Posts: 210
    Funny you'd call me a troll Shardlake, if you must know I've been a member here since last year and posted a fair amount back then but I stopped as I got busy and forgot about this place due to HAVING lots of other places to check. But the fact that you're calling me a troll because I'm expressing my actual real life feelings on Craig in a civil and respectful manner is disrespectful. I figured you'd be at least respectful back but I see I was wrong. I figured I'd come back and express my thoughts on the franchise in an environment like this to see other's thoughts on the same topics but see people like you who accuse others of being a troll just cause they have an opinion you don't like is what makes me want to not bother engaging in a place like this, don't make this place like R/JamesBond, that place is a literal echo chamber where people are ridiculed for not having an opinion that's considered the Norm. You don't have to like my opinions or me, but I'd at least appreciate if you'd show some decentcy and respect for me as I have for everyone here because this place should be a civil place of discussion regardless of someone's opinion being controversial. But regardless have a nice day good sir.
  • Posts: 6,727
    Controversial opinion: No bond actor (even Connery) could deliver something without any dialogues which Craig did in SF marksmanship scene. Look up at 1:25

    This was by far my favorite moment of Craig Era.

    I've mentioned it in another thread, but the scene in QOS, on the plane with Mathis, where he is drowning his sorrows over a picture of Vesper, he says a lot without actually talking, is one of my favourite sequences with Craig! (Another is the first meeting of him and Vesper in CR!)
  • Daniel316Daniel316 United States
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    That scene with Mathis was good yeah I agree there. Though tbh most anything with Mathis was good. Not a fan of the Vesper meeting scene though, it just feels like it's trying to sound super deep and complex but comes off as a teenage fanfiction that tries too hard to be something special. Vesper is great in every other scene though (love the one where she hands him the Tux and tells him he has to dress like a real man lol), crazy since Eva Green only had like 3 years or so of acting experience at the time I think.
  • Posts: 6,727
    Daniel316 wrote: »
    That scene with Mathis was good yeah I agree there. Though tbh most anything with Mathis was good. Not a fan of the Vesper meeting scene though, it just feels like it's trying to sound super deep and complex but comes off as a teenage fanfiction that tries too hard to be something special. Vesper is great in every other scene though (love the one where she hands him the Tux and tells him he has to dress like a real man lol), crazy since Eva Green only had like 3 years or so of acting experience at the time I think.

    I like the way it's written, apart from the Omega moment! But it's the chemistry between them that I love!
    I had only seen Eva Green in The Dreamers (you actually see a LOT of Eva in it ahem!) before CR. A very good movie!
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