Do you have any concerns or niggles about NTTD ,or are you full of confidence ?

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  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    Not one bit, as someone who hated SPECTRE I was initially cautious about another DC Bond film but as soon as things filtered through and Boyle was gone and Cary on board my optimism shot up, then that Wright was back as Felix. Also Cary, Burns & PWB on script duties reworking P&W's outline, I think we could have the strongest script of the era possibly.

    I think they need to have ESB in there because he is linked to the Bond, Madeline story and if Waltz can deliver a great performance and redeem what he gave us in SP then great.

    Malek looks truly creepy and that voice is fantastic. No problems with Nomi also the dialogue seemed fine to me, I forget how amazing the dialogue was in the Brosnan era, you'll need to remind me.

    Also pieces of dialogue in the trailer are taken out of context and just snatches, they may well have different meaning than is implied here. M is most likely talking about Nomi when he asks where is 007 but we'll have to wait and see.

  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Just jumping in (not reading anything to hopefully remain as spoiler-free as I can) to say I am SO looking forward to this!!! I'll be seeing it on day 1- then I'll be back for the inevitable polarized discussions. ;)
  • BirdlesonBirdleson San Jose, CAModerator
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    Maybe I’m old fashioned, but regardless of any other aspect of the film, I’ll be bummed out if at the end Bond is not alive, 007 and unattached.
  • I'm more excited for NTTD now after the trailer. Yes, it's a definite Spectre sequel and Madeline is a major plot point again. But this looks, feels and sounds more in line with CR/SF.

    I'm also hoping that after No Time To Die is released it will improve Spectre viewing.
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    I’m also hopeful NTTD can make SP a little better in hindsight. Most importantly I’m optimistic it will at least be better than SP. It’s very premature, but based on everything I’ve seen/heard/speculate, I suspect it won’t beat out any of Craig’s first 3 for me but will top NTTD. 13-18 range in the overall ranking perhaps. I can’t back it up too much but that’s my early gut prediction.
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    Maybe I’m old fashioned, but regardless of any other aspect of the film, I’ll be bummed out if at the end Bond is not alive, 007 and unattached.

    @Birdleson same I want Bond as 007
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython https://007homemedia.blogspot.com
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    I'm also hoping that after No Time To Die is released it will improve Spectre viewing.

    I'm at least hoping they improve on Madeleine's character, and the direction they're taking her with NTTD seems more promising and she won't just be a Tracy 2.0 like initially conceived.

    The biggest surprise I don't expect to happen is watch Blofeld's breakout be lead by Mr. Hinx. If that actually happens, it's an automatic 10, just because I'd love to see it, but that I'd commend EON for being able to keep that on a tight lid.

    Again, I don't expect it. But I can dream.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded Dancing at midnight under the BeBop Moon
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    @Jordo007 besides the Noh mask, what Japanese influence is there?
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    @Jordo007 besides the Noh mask, what Japanese influence is there?
    There's plenty in this shot, including the way they're seated.
    8pBdiEN.png[/img]
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    Why is bond kneeling like that
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    Still hoping for the YOLT novel influence! Garden of death, strangulation, amnesia etc!
  • DrinmanDrinman New York
    edited December 2019 Posts: 21
    Denbigh wrote: »
    @Jordo007 besides the Noh mask, what Japanese influence is there?
    There's plenty in this shot, including the way they're seated.
    8pBdiEN.png[/img]
    Is that a splattering of blood in the far left corner? Had to zoom in on my phone to notice it.

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    Drinman wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    @Jordo007 besides the Noh mask, what Japanese influence is there?
    There's plenty in this shot, including the way they're seated.
    8pBdiEN.png[/img]
    Is that a splattering of blood in the far left corner? Had to zoom in on my phone to notice it.

    Great catch; I believe you’re right!
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    Tuck91 wrote: »
    Why is bond kneeling like that
    If Bond injures his knee during the film it'd be quite interesting torture to make him sit on his knees?
  • I would not be surprised if they wrote in the "knee that works" line to cover the probable fact that Craig was still limping a little from his damaged ankle. If so, genius.
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    Do you have any concerns or niggles about NTTD?

    If they decided to put the money shots in the trailer - like they always do - I can't help feeling a bit underwhelmed. Oh, here's Bond on a bike again, and driving his car. What made me a Bond fan in the first place was Bond using all these crazy gadgets and using all kinds of strange vehicles to get out of an impossible situation.

    It's been 40 years since I became a Bond fan. And I still prefer escapism over the more grounded-in-reality-personal-drama-inner-journey stuff they have been feeding us the last 13 years. I now realize that CR wasn't the reboot. All 4 - and probably 5 - are. Great movies on their own, but for the next fase I just don't want Bond's life to suck anymore.
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    It’s likely safin that tries to kill Bond in Matera. Who else would wire the grave to blow up. Not sure how bond thinks it’s madeline.

    Bond and Dali Benssalah fight in matera. If Jamaica and Cuba are 5 years later and he is there then safin is obviously the connection.
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    On the latest JAMES BOND RADIO podcast it was speculated that Felix is killed off which motivates Bond to come out of retirement.
    Pure speculation granted, but if that turned out to be the case I probably outright wouldn't like the film at all.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger On Her Secret Majesty s Service
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    On the latest JAMES BOND RADIO podcast it was speculated that Felix is killed off which motivates Bond to come out of retirement.
    Pure speculation granted, but if that turned out to be the case I probably outright wouldn't like the film at all.

    Throw him to the sharks.
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    On the latest JAMES BOND RADIO podcast it was speculated that Felix is killed off which motivates Bond to come out of retirement.
    Pure speculation granted, but if that turned out to be the case I probably outright wouldn't like the film at all.

    Throw him to the sharks.

    I wouldn't mind that, but I'd rather not have him killed off.
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    I’m feeling more confident now that I’ve watched the trailer. Was a bit worried before.

    It wouldn’t matter to me in principle if Malek is No. It would depend on how well (or badly) they executed the idea. But I doubt they would go down the route of a straightforward villain reboot. They’re more likely to do some nuances or subtle hints that only a small part of the audience would get, a bit like the way that the wound on Waltz’s face at the end of SP calls back to Pleasance’s scar in YOLT.

    I really, really, really hope we see a Garden of Death. And an octopus fight!
  • edited December 2019 Posts: 9,821
    https://screenrant.com/no-time-die-movie-fix-spectre-mistakes-james-bond/

    I am hopeful NTTD can indeed be a great Bond film and make SP look better. Going into Bond 25 I definitely would have much preferred the classic standalone approach with all-new characters outside Bond + the MI6 gang and Felix, but of course the Craig era has a much tighter continuity than the films before. Though it wouldn't be my own first choice, the direction they're going gives them an opportunity to reach really epic heights and redeem much about SP that didn't work - especially Blofeld.

    My preferred approach moving forward is still standalone Bond adventures which I hope they go back to with the next actor + era, but I am hopeful NTTD can successfully carry the big load of being a great Bond film as well as redeeming SP to some extent. I do love QOS, so I don't immediately dismiss a direct sequel, but after SP I am wary. I also think in general a standalone approach is just easier in making great Bond films and keeping longevity.
  • silva13silva13 Australia
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    I'm really looking forward to NTTD! Fingera crossed it will give Waltz a chance to be the Blofeld he is capable of delivering though.

    I guess my only problem with the DC era is the way it keeps getting retconned. They had no plans of Spectre and instead made Quantum and then throwing in the Silva connection at the last minute in Spectre. Mr White & M were meant to be killed off in QOS and somehow both became pivotal story points in the next two films. I just wish they pre planned slightly thus being able to probably go back to a release every two or three years.
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    I don't have any concerns or niggles about this film. I don't.

    I have loved the Craig era, even though Spectre is terribly weak. And it eventually ate at me. But it was a collective failure in desperate times: they needed to release a film... and the material they went into production with was messy. Very messy. All the way through. And it was so bad Mendes wanted to leave (and they should have let him go, shelve the film, and start fresh-- easier said than done when you have partners that need to meet the bottom line, or financial forecasts).

    With B25 there were issues. I heard from people close to the production that the Boyle/Hodge script really didn't sit well with anyone -- they may have had a "golden idea" pre-script stage, but...;

    Once the script was done, no one liked it. The Boyle vision wanted to "re-make" Bond. Craig butted heads with this, and;

    So did Universal. The "golden idea" was still there (whatever that was), but the script lacked...

    It was proposed to Boyle that new writers needed to come on board to punch the script/action into proper gear.

    I understand that's when Boyle declined-- he didn't want anyone but himself and Hodge to do re-writes.

    This led to the parting of the ways.

    And here's where I have full confidence in the new film:

    Broccoli wasnt held ransom by Boyle's vision.

    She and her team then reached out to the film community immediately to interview interested filmmakers...

    Fukunaga came calling-- and supposedly this wasn't his first time.

    And, Fukunaga, being a great story-teller tossed out everything from Boyle and started afresh.

    And from what I see from the trailer, it is far more interesting than the the trailer they gave us for Spectre.

    Bond is under siege in the new trailer, both emotionally (he thinks Madeleine has betrayed him), and physically (he has to out-run the assassins trying to kill them).

    There is far more URGENCY in this trailer than all of Spectre the film.
  • The_Bleeding_HeartThe_Bleeding_Heart Oakland, CA
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    peter wrote: »
    I don't have any concerns or niggles about this film. I don't.

    I have loved the Craig era, even though Spectre is terribly weak. And it eventually ate at me. But it was a collective failure in desperate times: they needed to release a film... and the material they went into production with was messy. Very messy. All the way through. And it was so bad Mendes wanted to leave (and they should have let him go, shelve the film, and start fresh-- easier said than done when you have partners that need to meet the bottom line, or financial forecasts).

    With B25 there were issues. I heard from people close to the production that the Boyle/Hodge script really didn't sit well with anyone -- they may have had a "golden idea" pre-script stage, but...;

    Once the script was done, no one liked it. The Boyle vision wanted to "re-make" Bond. Craig butted heads with this, and;

    So did Universal. The "golden idea" was still there (whatever that was), but the script lacked...

    It was proposed to Boyle that new writers needed to come on board to punch the script/action into proper gear.

    I understand that's when Boyle declined-- he didn't want anyone but himself and Hodge to do re-writes.

    This led to the parting of the ways.

    And here's where I have full confidence in the new film:

    Broccoli wasnt held ransom by Boyle's vision.

    She and her team then reached out to the film community immediately to interview interested filmmakers...

    Fukunaga came calling-- and supposedly this wasn't his first time.

    And, Fukunaga, being a great story-teller tossed out everything from Boyle and started afresh.

    And from what I see from the trailer, it is far more interesting than the the trailer they gave us for Spectre.

    Bond is under siege in the new trailer, both emotionally (he thinks Madeleine has betrayed him), and physically (he has to out-run the assassins trying to kill them).

    There is far more URGENCY in this trailer than all of Spectre the film.

    +1. Especially to your last point about the element of urgency that's apparent in this trailer. What I LOVE about NTTD already is that it seems to be combining Casino Royale's dynamism and the directness of Quantum of Solace; I know most don't enjoy QoS, but for me, it moves at a clip and nothing feels wasted. Skyfall and Spectre were polished but moved ploddingly along. Here, it's a totally different story.
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    @peter Glad to hear your thoughts and insight about the Boyle/Hodge situation. I suppose the producers must have been really taken by whatever the golden idea was, but the script/tone was too out of whack for their liking. I like to think we dodged a bullet, especially if it’s true it was about Bond being incarcerated most of the film.
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    @FoxRox -- Like you, I think a bullet was dodged.
  • edited December 2019 Posts: 388
    I don't know where to put this, but I just wanted to comment on the Nomi as 007 rumor.

    If she is 007, then I have to imagine they've handled it such that Bond gets his title back. I just don't see the producers letting Bond not have his number back at the end of the film. Just seems like political suicide. They're wiser than that.

    If my hunches are right, my question is how do they get Bond's number reassigned?

    They're not just going to say, 'welcome back Bond, here's your old number. Sorry Nomi, you get 0050 now.' I feel that goes against the strong female character thing they're going for in this film.

    That makes me wonder if Nomi either dies or ends up as a traitor. It seems like the only way they could make it work.
  • The_Bleeding_HeartThe_Bleeding_Heart Oakland, CA
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    JamesStock wrote: »
    I don't know where to put this, but I just wanted to comment on the Nomi as 007 rumor.

    If she is 007, then I have to imagine they've handled it such that Bond gets his title back. I just don't see the producers letting Bond not have his number back at the end of the film. Just seems like political suicide. They're wiser than that.

    If my hunches are right, my question is how do they get Bond's number reassigned?

    They're not just going to say, 'welcome back Bond, here's your old number. Sorry Nomi, you get 0050 now.' I feel that goes against the strong female character thing they're going for in this film.

    That makes me wonder if Nomi either dies or ends up as a traitor. It seems like the only way they could make it work.

    I can't help but think Nomi's a femme fatale/the "bad" Bond girl that starts out as an ally to Bond but ends up being a traitor (possibly working for Safin). If they go that route in the film I wouldn't complain.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited December 2019 Posts: 2,630
    I think there's no reason to give Bond his "title" back... he's retired and I still think he will be at the end of the film, but can finally move on with/without Madeleine. Nomi will be 007 throughout the film, and there will be friction in their relationship, which will develop into mutual respect, and Nomi will be someone James Bond would be proud to call be 007. The film will end however it ends, and James Bond will return.

    The way I'd ask people to view the relationship is to imagine if Craig's James Bond had to meet the former 007. I think Nomi and Bond are gonna find that they are more similar than they may think.
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