"Did i overcomplicate the plot ?" - Skyfall Appreciation & Discussion

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  • edited January 2015 Posts: 1,146
    patb wrote: »
    appreciation
    əpriːʃɪˈeɪʃ(ə)n,-sɪ-/
    noun
    noun: appreciation; plural noun: appreciations

    1.
    recognition and enjoyment of the good qualities of someone or something.

    Yes, and how you arrive at that point is through analysis.

    And respectful dialogue.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited January 2015 Posts: 23,883
    @doubleohdad I agree with the need for debate and open mindedness, but some people don't feel comfortable discussing cons when they like something and vice versa. Furthermore, this is an appreciation thread as has been drilled home.

    I'd just start a Skyfall debate thread if there isn't already one. I've never been a fan of lover or hater threads really. There's always room for a different view. Nothing's perfect. I learn from different points of view, but that's me.

    And don't waste time debating on the hater thread either. I see you and @Getafix have been having a great discussion on there. The thread does not deserve that. It's reserved for hating.
  • Posts: 4,541
    "and how you arrive at that point is through analysis.

    And respectful dialogue" does not appear within the title of the thread
  • edited January 2015 Posts: 1,146
    Again, sir, I reply that you are attempting to tell me where to go to express my opinion, and I reply that as long as I am stating my opinions, viewpoints and analysis in a polite way, I see no reason for me to not add to a thread. If you do choose to address my points, that is up to you, sir. My definition of appreciation is through analysis and don't think it's fair for my thoughts to be attempted to be edited. This debate is based more on your perception of my content, and under those terms is not fair.

    Simply ignore me, sir, respectfully.
  • Posts: 250
    It's basically the best Bond film made since the 60s, and maybe the richest and best-assembled one of the bunch. Certainly the above-and-below the line talent is at an unprecedented level, with the notable exceptions being John Barry and Ken Adam. Unfair standards to hold anyone against, those two. Gassner and Newman do tremendous work anyway.

    Otherwise Baird doesn't get a hair out of place, Deakins delivers the best photography of the whole damn series (I love Freddie Young but YOLT hardly among his finer efforts, although it's a major logistical feat), Mendes and Witt meld together perfectly, and the acting is really superb across the board. Most of all it feels as though there are far more gears and cogs to the thing, it's a larger world that Bond is a part of, there are other prime movers beyond himself and the antagonist. I normally would have been appalled at M as a deuteragonist but it works magnificently. Both Dench and Craig are at their peak (funnily enough my second-favourite Craig performance was also under the auspices of Mendes).

    It's got actual thematic heft too, which is something that previous films have only prodded at. The plot holes are irrelevancies as far as I'm concerned, I've never been bothered by them at all and I've never understood why people get so caught up on the logistics of how a film moves without actually engaging with the story itself.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded Riding a white swan to Matera
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    Yes, I still think Skyfall is a great Bond film. I expect it will stay in my top 10 or 12 for quite some time. I adore the cinematography, but I also enjoy the heck out of the whole film.

    Thanks, @FourDot, for keeping this as an appreciation thread, which others may at times find difficult to do.
  • Pajan005Pajan005 Stockholm, Sweden
    edited January 2015 Posts: 432
    What annoys me sometimes is that nowadays people pick the films apart too much. They tend to forget the heart of picture.

    SF was the first Bond film I saw in the cinema. It has to count as one of the best cinema experiences I've had. It made me realize how rich the Bond universe was, and how important it was for them evolve depending on what time they were made.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 4,043
    Spot on four dot, this still is ranking no. 2 behind OHMSS for me. Still love it and as you said the plot holes are irrelevant.

    Just hope Spectre can be as good, things are looking promising on that front so fingers crossed.
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    I really have to shift around my rankings, because this film, Casino and OHMSS have put themselves forward so much for me lately. I'm a connery guy, but man these are three damn good movies.
  • Posts: 4,541
    Fourdot - spot on and thanks for your input, one can only imagine Skyfall with the input of Barry, could have raised it to another level. I think its easy to take SF for granted and I am pretty sure that after a couple of inferior movies, people will look back at Skyfall with more affection and even more fans will come to realise what a great contribution it is/was.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited January 2015 Posts: 23,883
    Fellas, in all fairness, it pulled in $1.1bn and is looked upon quite favourably by critics and fandom alike.

    It does get the love already.
  • Posts: 1,146
    I sat through the Jack Ryan and James Bourne films and always thought, "why can't the Bonds be like this?" so I feel pretty happy with the tone of these films today.
    Lots of intrigue, smart storytelling and great action.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited March 2015 Posts: 7,321
    2dtdggj.jpg

    This scene was filmed on this day in 2012, and, as I've said before, is one of my favourite scenes in the entire franchise. Makes me want to watch Skyfall again, will likely pop it in this weekend!
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    2dtdggj.jpg

    This scene was filmed on this day in 2012, and, as I've said before, is one of my favourite scenes in the entire franchise. Makes me want to watch Skyfall again, will likely pop it in this weekend!

    That's great photo!
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    The perspective makes it look a bit like an Escher painting, where Bond and the henchman are pointing guns at eachother's head!
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Silva looks like such a ponce in that photo. A dangerous ponce however. Brilliant scene and fantastic photo.
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    Is Bardem in this new Sean Penn film? The Gunman?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Getafix wrote: »
    Is Bardem in this new Sean Penn film? The Gunman?

    Yes he is.. I'm going to try and see it this weekend or early next week. Looks good from the trailer.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    Posts: 4,508
    SF is deeper and more polished than any Bond film ever made. This shouldn't be a surprise considering the director, the best to ever tackle a Bond film. SF presents two interrelated themes: growing old ("Old dog, new tricks") and the battle of the traditional ("the old ways are the best") and the new. The contrast between the Shanghai and Scotland is a stunning illustration of this theme. Plus, the scene between Q and Bond in the National Gallery is nothing short of genius--not just for a Bond film, but any film.

    I am the same age as DC, and these themes hit me hard. Growing old sucks ("It's a young man's game") and I am constantly fluctuating between the old and the new. I hate reading on devices (I want books) but love my social media.

    I could go on and on about SF. But there's not much left to say on this thread.

    (And, yes, Newman's score is wonderful.)
  • It has so many enjoyable things: PTS, Adele song, Silva's island, cinematography, new old characters introduction, Bond-M-Silva ...
  • By the way, the video language is Spansh Latino, not Spanish from Spain (Castilian) version.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Fellas, in all fairness, it pulled in $1.1bn and is looked upon quite favourably by critics and fandom alike.

    It does get the love already.

    Im sure thats how Michael Bay justifies Transformers 4.



  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,321
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Fellas, in all fairness, it pulled in $1.1bn and is looked upon quite favourably by critics and fandom alike.

    It does get the love already.

    Im sure thats how Michael Bay justifies Transformers 4.



    I guess you decided to ignore "and is looked upon quite favourably by critics and fandom alike". Nobody here thinks box office alone is indicative of the quality of a movie.
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Fellas, in all fairness, it pulled in $1.1bn and is looked upon quite favourably by critics and fandom alike.

    It does get the love already.

    Im sure thats how Michael Bay justifies Transformers 4.



    I guess you decided to ignore "and is looked upon quite favourably by critics and fandom alike". Nobody here thinks box office alone is indicative of the quality of a movie.

    The fact that Transformers 4 made over a billion would seem to indicate that it went down well with fans if not the critics.

  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,321
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Fellas, in all fairness, it pulled in $1.1bn and is looked upon quite favourably by critics and fandom alike.

    It does get the love already.

    Im sure thats how Michael Bay justifies Transformers 4.



    I guess you decided to ignore "and is looked upon quite favourably by critics and fandom alike". Nobody here thinks box office alone is indicative of the quality of a movie.

    The fact that Transformers 4 made over a billion would seem to indicate that it went down well with fans if not the critics.

    I don't know what opinion Transformers fans had of T4, but I'm certain they all went to see it. If we agree anywhere, it's that box office results are certainly no indicator of quality of product.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    Posts: 4,508
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Fellas, in all fairness, it pulled in $1.1bn and is looked upon quite favourably by critics and fandom alike.

    It does get the love already.

    Im sure thats how Michael Bay justifies Transformers 4.



    Yes, using BO numbers is a bandwagon argument. BUT... as has been discussed previously, a comparison between T4 and SF isn't a fair one. The two franchises appeal to different audiences for different reasons. Skyfall was not a teeny-bopper action flick, nor was it based on a comic book hero; it was a serious spy film with themes that appealed more to older audiences who don't typically turn out in droves. From that standpoint, it was an enormous success.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Box office is indicative of generated curiosity, not appreciation.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,321
    Dredging this up for a piece on Roger Deakins.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    edited September 2015 Posts: 5,131
    DC was his usual excellent self. Severine was one of the most alluring Bond girls in the entire series (within her very breif appearance).
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited September 2015 Posts: 7,321
    I still say that the scene beginning with Bond and Silva going outside (after the introduction) on the Dead Island up until Bond captures Silva is one of my favourite scenes in the franchise (despite Bond's controversial reaction to Severine being killed).

    To me, doesn't get much more Bond than this:
    sf6-cl-jkt1.jpg
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