Last Bond Movie You Watched

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  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Moonraker
    "One piddling little rocket." Was how Cubby referred to the book. And yet, THIS is supposed to be an improvement? They took one of Flemings best books (it's in my top 2), and took a steaming dump on it. At least the novelisation was an improvement on the film.

    Silver Anniversary Bondathon (1996-2021)
    1. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    2. From Russia With Love
    3. The Spy Who Loved Me
    4. Dr No
    5. Live And Let Die
    6. You Only Live Twice
    7. The Man With The Golden Gun
    8. Goldfinger
    9. Thunderball
    10. Moonraker
    11. Diamonds Are Forever
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    Moonraker
    "One piddling little rocket." Was how Cubby referred to the book. And yet, THIS is supposed to be an improvement? They took one of Flemings best books (it's in my top 2), and took a steaming dump on it. At least the novelisation was an improvement on the film.

    Silver Anniversary Bondathon (1996-2021)
    1. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    2. From Russia With Love
    3. The Spy Who Loved Me
    4. Dr No
    5. Live And Let Die
    6. You Only Live Twice
    7. The Man With The Golden Gun
    8. Goldfinger
    9. Thunderball
    10. Moonraker
    11. Diamonds Are Forever

    Quote from Bond himself.
    "Give the people what they want!"

    Not Bond fans, but the general public.
  • Posts: 1,595
    It's also important to remember that certain things don't translate perfectly well to screen, and it's similarly important to remember that certain things -- even if they do transfer well (by our assessment as die-hard Bond fans who are big enough fans to make an account on an internet forum) doesn't mean they will gross well at the box office.

    Of course, there's no way to know. I could be totally wrong. As much as I love talking about revisionist histories, and revising how I would want the series to go (Blofeld Trilogy with Connery haunts me with what could have been), there's also a part of me that would be afraid to touch anything. Butterfly effect and all that.

    Warts and all, I love the series. I also love the broad spectrum (as you note) that we get to choose from as fans. I'm one of the fans that can appreciate the Fleming but also appreciate the camp. I appreciate the down to earth and the bombastic, larger than life. I enjoy a mix of those things as well.

    @Last_Rat_Standing
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    It's also important to remember that certain things don't translate perfectly well to screen, and it's similarly important to remember that certain things -- even if they do transfer well (by our assessment as die-hard Bond fans who are big enough fans to make an account on an internet forum) doesn't mean they will gross well at the box office.

    Of course, there's no way to know. I could be totally wrong. As much as I love talking about revisionist histories, and revising how I would want the series to go (Blofeld Trilogy with Connery haunts me with what could have been), there's also a part of me that would be afraid to touch anything. Butterfly effect and all that.

    Warts and all, I love the series. I also love the broad spectrum (as you note) that we get to choose from as fans. I'm one of the fans that can appreciate the Fleming but also appreciate the camp. I appreciate the down to earth and the bombastic, larger than life. I enjoy a mix of those things as well.

    @Last_Rat_Standing

    Agreed @ThighsOfXenia

    It does give us a good mix of films based on what we're in the mood for. Serious, camp, outlandish, even creepy. And if we're not in the mood, then we can pick up one of the many books between Fleming and Gardner. We do have it nice as fans of the entire Bond universe that we have so much at our disposal to enjoy.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    In its anniversary year, I watched FYEO again. I think Roger gives one of his Best performances in this and of course the action and stunts are first class.
  • Posts: 7,493
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I had more than one friends over (two) on Sat. Night for the first time since Covid. They picked AVTAK. It wass fun enough.

    Of all Bond films they picked AVTAK? Interesting...
  • R1s1ngs0nR1s1ngs0n France
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    They have no interest in watching Brosnan or Craig films.

    My kind of friends ;)
  • Posts: 1,595
    @Last_Rat_Standing It's great. A wealth of things to enjoy based on mood or particular tastes.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    For Your Eyes Only
    Another example of a Bond film that I didn't used to like, writing it off as boring. But it has gradually climbed up my ranking. I still find it to be a little uneven, being a Moore era film, but I can appreciate that it was an honest attempt to try and wrestle the series back down to earth.

    I would also like to take this opportunity to say that I have, too often, been unfair to Roger Moore in the past. He might look a little weathered since MR, but by no means as bad as I often made him out to be. In fact, I think he carries his age well here.

    Silver Anniversary Bondathon (1996-2021)
    1. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    2. From Russia With Love
    3. For Your Eyes Only
    4. The Spy Who Loved Me
    5. Dr No
    6. Live And Let Die
    7. You Only Live Twice
    8. The Man With The Golden Gun
    9. Goldfinger
    10. Thunderball
    11. Moonraker
    12. Diamonds Are Forever
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    I've always thought Roger gave one of his best performances as Bond in FYEO.
  • edited July 2021 Posts: 1,595
    I think the reason he carries his age so well is honestly John Glen. All three of his movies with Glen feel a bit more autumnal. They in no way attempt to pass him off as "in his prime." Glen is often labeled as a "workmanlike" director -- practical and story driven versus stylistic idiosyncrasies -- which is absolutely true, but he was pretty adept at directing actors as well.

    That said, AVTAK is the only one where his age *really* shows in my book. In OP he simply looks like a veteran, aging agent. I have so much fun with AVTAK precisely because everyone is so old and the villains are so youthful and virile. It's such a bizarre little oddity.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    I don't think it helped that he had 'a little work done' on his face, prior to AVTAK, doing him no favours.

    I see the workmanlike label applied to Glen a lot, I don't know if it is meant as a good thing or not. I think Glen had a keen eye for action sequences, and his films feature most of my favourite action sequences of the series. And though it isn't action packed, Bonds ascent up the side of St. Cyril's, has to be one of the most suspensful scenes of any Bond film.
  • edited July 2021 Posts: 1,595
    Workmanlike can be used sometimes as a pejorative (not in my case), but by and large I think it simply is just an accurate assessment of who Glen was at the helm. I absolutely agree that his background in action helped -- his 5 films features some of the best action in the series, bar none.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    I also remember reading that Roger hadn't fully recovered before he had to begin work on AVTAK. As for John Glen, I enjoyed all his films, so I regard " Workman like "
    as being code for an exceptional Professional .
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Octopussy
    Like FYEO, OP is another Bond that I have grown to like more over time.

    Silver Anniversary Bondathon (1996-2021)
    1. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    2. From Russia With Love
    3. Octopussy
    4. For Your Eyes Only
    5. The Spy Who Loved Me
    6. Dr No
    7. Live And Let Die
    8. You Only Live Twice
    9. The Man With The Golden Gun
    10. Goldfinger
    11. Thunderball
    12. Moonraker
    12. Diamonds Are Forever

  • edited July 2021 Posts: 1,595
    Quantum of Solace

    My relationship with this movie has been tumultuous. Loved it on release, cooled toward it, went through a period where I downright detested it, and then I began to look at it a bit differently as the odd duckling that it is and warmed to it a bit again, albeit in a different way.

    This viewing was pretty good, all in all. I plan to write about it. The editing doesn't bother me too much, in fact I've often argued it nicely mimics Bond's fractured psyche. The cinematography is absolutely phenomenal, not only the lighting but the shot choices and compositions are truly great. Overall this is just kinetic cinema. It never stops. There aren't any big, famous moments except for maybe Tosca. No truly memorable one-liners. Not a lot of glamour. It just moves like a blur. And a lot of the best images in the film, because of the editing, are these blink-and-you'll-miss-it moments of sheer *immediacy* in a way that reminds me of late-period Michael Mann (that's a favorable comparison - I love his recent works). Very visceral. I don't get why people call it pretentious simply because it has aesthetic ambitions beyond storytelling in an expositional sense.

    I'm warming back up to it. I'm still not convinced it does anything important re: Bond's character. It doesnt' really justify itslef too much, nor does it really develop anything from CR that we couldn't intuit anyway. I don't love how dour it is, even though I know that's the entire point.

    But all in all, great watching experience. I'd be shot on sight for saying this on some forums, but I know here it gets a lot of love (probably too much). This movie is currently experiencing something of a renaissance. From a purely cinematic perspective, ignoring aspects of script and plot, it's a very compelling experience.

    edit: I find that the older I get the more I tend to meet films "on their own terms" so I generally like most Bond films more over time, not less. So, I'm not sure how much my ranked list will actually change.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    A View To A Kill
    Unlike FYEO and OP, AVTAK doesn't appear to be climbing up my list. Walken made for asuperb villain, but I struggle to find anything else good to say. The Renault 11 chase was good, up until it good cut in half, then half again.

    Silver Anniversary Bondathon (1996-2021)
    1. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    2. From Russia With Love
    3. Octopussy
    4. For Your Eyes Only
    5. The Spy Who Loved Me
    6. Dr No
    7. Live And Let Die
    8. You Only Live Twice
    9. The Man With The Golden Gun
    10. Goldfinger
    11. Thunderball
    12. Moonraker
    13. A View To A Kill
    14. Diamonds Are Forever
  • edited July 2021 Posts: 1,595
    Skyfall

    The plot holes are gargantuan, obviously. But, this is a Bond film, so I'm really not going to hold that against it too much. I will a little bit, though, because this is one of the more egregious extended plot holes in the series. There's a stretch here that is undeniably some of the best in the Bond series. Right around the time that Bond gets back into action up until Bond and M leave the hearing (although the chase does lag and lull a bit, in my opinion). Watching this on the heels of QOS made it feel a little slow paced, but I imagine anything would.

    Heck, I'm not even British, much less in favor of British imperialism, and even I am often moved to tears by M's Tennyson moment with Bond sprinting through the city. Incredible moment. The DB5 moment also gets me every time.

    My favorite scenes, though, are Shanghai - Macau - Silva's lair. That stretch is just unbelievably good.

    The Home Alone stuff doesn't work quite as well for me, but, like QOS, the parts I don't love are really helped by Deakins.

    This is probably Craig's best performance, and certainly the most Fleming. Marlohe as Severine is extremely impactful and memorable given her short screentime. The throughline theme of failure is really interesting (Silva does technically accomplish what he set out to do, even if it wasn't by his hand). Although it's interesting, it does kind of prevent a real sense of closure or victory, even if that coda scene in Mallory's office does give me goosebumps (shame SP came afterward).

    Obviously this is arguably the most beautiful Bond film. I know my thoughts are very scattered. I'm tired. This may have slipped a bit in my rankings, but that says more about some other films and my love of them and less about this one. It isn't that Act 3 is bad, per say, but it just doesn't live up to what came before. THat's true of a lot of Bond films, but the Home Alone stuff just doesn't work that well. That said, I'll sit through it time and time again for Deakins' images. The man simply makes searing imagery with his cinematography. Perhaps the best living cinematographer. Oh, and Newman's score is growing on me over time.

    SP is next.....
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    edited July 2021 Posts: 12,837
    Skyfall
    The throughline theme of failure is really interesting (Silva does technically accomplish what he set out to do, even if it wasn't by his hand).
    That point is interesting to me, @ThighsOfXenia, with the idea that likewise MI6 ends Silva's mischief but with its own sacrifice. So there is success with a cost on both sides as well.

  • edited July 2021 Posts: 1,595
    Yeah. I'm not sure if it improves or lessens my opinion of the movie or not. But it is an interesting tidbit. He remains the only villain (even though it is by proxy) to truly succeed at his plan in a Bond film.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    I see it as Silva failing his mission three times.

    1) He tries to shoot M at the hearing, hitting Mallory instead. Result: FAIL

    2) *He himself* wants to kill her at the battle of Skyfall. Remember he yells at this henchmen, "Everyone, listen to me! Don't you dare touch her. She's mine." One of the henchmen injures her, leading to her death. Result: FAIL

    3) By the end, Silva's plan had changed from wanting to kill M, to wanting M to shoot both of them through the head at the same time. And then Bond arrived. Result: FAIL
  • Posts: 1,595
    Right. By proxy he succeeds. M is killed. I suppose Silva *himself* fails, but his broader goal is accomplished. That said, his suicidal ideation means he didn't truly succeed, because his goal was clearly one of emotional motivation rather than accomplishing some "task."
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    The Living Daylights
    Wonderfull stuff. No surprise that TLD remains my #1. That said, I do understand the complaints regarding the villains. Sandwiched in between Max Zorin, and Franz Sanchez, they do feel a bit lacking. Whittaker has a neat little quirk with his wargames, but he isn't the most threatening villain.

    Silver Anniversary Bondathon (1996-2021)
    1. The Living Daylights
    2. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    3. From Russia With Love
    4. Octopussy
    5. For Your Eyes Only
    6. The Spy Who Loved Me
    7. Dr No
    8. Live And Let Die
    9. You Only Live Twice
    10. The Man With The Golden Gun
    11. Goldfinger
    12. Thunderball
    13. Moonraker
    14. A View To A Kill
    15. Diamonds Are Forever
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    Had a weird urge to watch SPECTRE last night, and I do believe there's a cracking Bond film in there trying to get out.

    Craig is as usual excellent, even with some of the weak dialogue he's stuck with. I love the scene between Craig and Belluci and I wish her screen time was expanded with Q's being lessened.

    The train scenes are my favourite and the fight with Hinx is one of the series best.

    But it would take a lot of changes to turn this into anything resembling a good Bond film.
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    I agree about those scenes as well and I really love them both. The Hinx fight is absolutely fantastic. I can't get over how terrible a name Hinx is, but I'm not going to hold that against it.
  • Posts: 230
    Octopussy

    5 things I like and 5 I do not:

    Like

    1. The location cinematography in India is one of the best in the series.

    2. One of the best beat-the-villain-in-a-game scenes

    3. One of the series best spy-then-escape-from-the-villains-lair scenes

    4. Underrated score

    5. Love the auction scene



    Not

    1. Man Moore is looking old. The love scenes between Moore and Adams are at least of two people closer to the same age than normal, but like the scene with Moore and Cassandra Harris in FYEO, it looks more like two retired old people than anything sexy.

    2. The rickshaw chase was a little too on-the-nose with all of the India cliches.

    3. Wayborn's mannerisms are intolerable. I want her off the screen every second she is on there.

    4. Maybe the hardest plot in the series to follow.

    5. The handful of silly moment REALLY stand-out in comparison to the serious tone of the rest of the film. Tarzan yell, gorilla suit, clown suit, whatever the hell the ending was with the Octopus cult storming the castle.
  • edited July 2021 Posts: 1,595
    Man, the idea that in order for something to be sexy it has to be between two extremely young people is a huge bummer. I think Moore's scenes with Maud Adams are phenomenal. Not to mention, Adams is only 38. And she's stunning. Does that really look like a retired old person to you?

    They look great together. She is the one person throughout Moore's entire tenure as Bond that I could see Bond settling down with or at least forming a genuinely meaningful relationship with. That has always improved my estimation of OP a lot.

    I think OP is Roger's late period film in which his age is most "natural," in that generally he seems to be this veteran agent, most importantly he is given a (mostly) age appropriate leading lady to work with, and there's a general autumnal feel to it tht Glen brings to all three of Moore's final films. Yes, he looks quite old. But it doesn't really get to me.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I don't think Moore looks "old" in OP, let alone too old. And with Maud, he has tremendous chemistry. It's the jump from OP to AVTAK that makes me see Moore's age, unfortunately because of all the wrong reasons.
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    I think Sir Roger looked great in OP.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I know that I’m a broken record, but Roger would have been helped tremendously with better, shorter haircuts in his later films. I don’t know if he thought it made him look more current but it had the opposite effect.
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