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  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    The making doc Wreckage & Rage is a fascinating insight to what went wrong with Alien 3, although the assembly cut gets close to what Fincher intended, I seriously prefer this to Aliens now.

    Alien is the outright masterpiece of the franchise and never likely to be topped.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I agree 100% concerning Avatar; it did nothing for me and I have zero interest in the approaching sequels. I'm amazed at how broad the plans are for the future of that franchise. Not only are there sequels but also theme parks, traveling shows and more. How many people do you come across who are hungry for more Avatar?
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    I know, @talos7. I don't understand the enthusiasm for more Avatar, if there really is any. Like you, I'd prefer it if Cameron dived back into Terminator, gave it his full undivided, and continued on with that franchise rather than Avatar.

    At least we know that's two less sold seats for Avatar 2 than before.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    I think and I might be wrong but Cameron is going to get a rude awakening when the first film of this intended set of sequels lands.

    His run of billion dollar blockbuster can't last forever, he's been very lucky considering the sub standard product he's put out lately.

    That being said Car, Chase/Crash Porn is topping the box office so what do I know.
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    talos7 wrote: »
    Oh believe me, I am no fan of Blomkamp. He has not lived up to the promise of his initial films. But, I do think do a film, or series of films, that shows a alternate direction that a story could have taken is very valid, In fact, If James Cameron does return to the Terminator franchise I would not be surprised if he does a direct sequel to T2, disregarding the sequels that have been done by others. This would allow him to reestablish his vision and continue the "Cameron Universe" and avoid the mess that followed when he was not involved.

    James Cameron will have no time for any other movies for the next 8 years as he will be busy with all those Avatar movies
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    You're talking about Fast and Furious 8, @Shardlake. I went to see it only because my Missus dragged me along. For the life of me, I can't understand the flak that Lazenby still gets for his inadequate first-time acting skills, when Vin Diesel, who has been in countless movies by now, is still the same block of wood in every single movie he's been in. The guy seriously can't act.

    Avatar 2 will be hyped to the max when it eventually comes out. Younger, modern cinema-goers are easily swayed by clever and sustained marketing campaigns than my generation ever were. In fact nowadays, if the movie doesn't have a clever and relentless campaign, they think the movie is crap, even though the TV spots show all the best bits.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    fjdinardo wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Oh believe me, I am no fan of Blomkamp. He has not lived up to the promise of his initial films. But, I do think do a film, or series of films, that shows a alternate direction that a story could have taken is very valid, In fact, If James Cameron does return to the Terminator franchise I would not be surprised if he does a direct sequel to T2, disregarding the sequels that have been done by others. This would allow him to reestablish his vision and continue the "Cameron Universe" and avoid the mess that followed when he was not involved.

    James Cameron will have no time for any other movies for the next 8 years as he will be busy with all those Avatar movies

    This is one reason someone else will be directing. I have little doubt that he already knows the story he wants to tell and will have his ideas, his vision implemented by a hand picked surrogate.

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    fjdinardo wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Oh believe me, I am no fan of Blomkamp. He has not lived up to the promise of his initial films. But, I do think do a film, or series of films, that shows a alternate direction that a story could have taken is very valid, In fact, If James Cameron does return to the Terminator franchise I would not be surprised if he does a direct sequel to T2, disregarding the sequels that have been done by others. This would allow him to reestablish his vision and continue the "Cameron Universe" and avoid the mess that followed when he was not involved.

    James Cameron will have no time for any other movies for the next 8 years as he will be busy with all those Avatar movies
    So what's Blomkamp up to? I hear he can't even get a gig directing traffic after Chappie.


    Bringing this back to Alien, here's the entire score for Alien Covenant by Jed Kurzel...


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    bondsum wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Oh believe me, I am no fan of Blomkamp. He has not lived up to the promise of his initial films. But, I do think do a film, or series of films, that shows a alternate direction that a story could have taken is very valid, In fact, If James Cameron does return to the Terminator franchise I would not be surprised if he does a direct sequel to T2, disregarding the sequels that have been done by others. This would allow him to reestablish his vision and continue the "Cameron Universe" and avoid the mess that followed when he was not involved.

    James Cameron will have no time for any other movies for the next 8 years as he will be busy with all those Avatar movies
    So what's Blomkamp up to? I hear he can't even get a gig directing traffic

    Well we know he wants to do Alien 5 but unfortunately Scott is not letting him.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @bondsum, video doesn't play due to the country I'm in, unfortunately. Was wanting to hear a taste of the score.
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    http://collider.com/alien-5-neill-blomkamp-ridley-scott/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=collidersocial
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    “There was never a screenplay, just an idea that evolved into a pitch of 10 pages…I was always just a producer, but it didn’t go any further because Fox decided that it didn’t want to do it.”

    Shame
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @fire_and_ice, that's a bit more reassuring than them having a full script and being close to casting before it was shut down. 'Alien: Covenant' better wow me, since that's what we'll end up with instead of 'Alien 5.' Again: Blomkamp has yet to impress me as a director, but the ideas he had with that pitch are much more intriguing to me than a 'Prometheus' continuation.

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    I heard that after Covenant maybe two or three further films are lined up, Covenant has my interest despite its obvious flaws I like ideas that were let's say set up in Prometheous.

    Blomkamp's idea was intriguing and the thought of seeing Hicks again was a win win for me.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    For good or bad you can believe Scott squashed Blomkamp's Alien.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @talos7, that's definitely what happened.

    @fire_and_ice, you sure there will be that many? I was under the impression this was going to be a new trilogy that started with 'Prometheus,' so whatever follows 'Alien: Covenant' will be a direct prequel to 'Alien,' which, in turn, will likely involve a new team, LV-426, and maybe the Derelict beacon (sort of like the playable storyline from the 'Alien: Isolation' video game, which was awesome).
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    fjdinardo wrote: »
    bondsum wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Oh believe me, I am no fan of Blomkamp. He has not lived up to the promise of his initial films. But, I do think do a film, or series of films, that shows a alternate direction that a story could have taken is very valid, In fact, If James Cameron does return to the Terminator franchise I would not be surprised if he does a direct sequel to T2, disregarding the sequels that have been done by others. This would allow him to reestablish his vision and continue the "Cameron Universe" and avoid the mess that followed when he was not involved.

    James Cameron will have no time for any other movies for the next 8 years as he will be busy with all those Avatar movies
    So what's Blomkamp up to? I hear he can't even get a gig directing traffic

    Well we know he wants to do Alien 5 but unfortunately Scott is not letting him.
    It had nothing to do with Scott, it was the suits at Fox that pulled the plug.
  • QsAssistantQsAssistant All those moments lost in time... like tears in rain
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    @talos7, that's definitely what happened.

    @fire_and_ice, you sure there will be that many? I was under the impression this was going to be a new trilogy that started with 'Prometheus,' so whatever follows 'Alien: Covenant' will be a direct prequel to 'Alien,' which, in turn, will likely involve a new team, LV-426, and maybe the Derelict beacon (sort of like the playable storyline from the 'Alien: Isolation' video game, which was awesome).

    Yes it was! I don't know if it's canon or not but to me it is. Had Isolation been an actual movie I feel it would've surpassed Alien on all fronts.
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    @bondsum, video doesn't play due to the country I'm in, unfortunately. Was wanting to hear a taste of the score.
    Sorry about that, @Creasy47, sometimes these vids lock out other countries. It plays in the UK, if anyone is interested. There's excerpts of Jerry Goldsmith's Alien score in there, unlike Prometheus. It's a very haunting, atmospheric soundtrack.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @bondsum, no worries, thanks for sharing, anyway! A haunting soundtrack is exactly what I'm looking for.

    I hope that 'Alien 5' wasn't canned solely due to audience confusion - 'Alien: Covenant' is a prequel, whereas 'Alien 5' would've been a sequel. It's not remotely confusing. I feel like there was something else at play that led to them canceling it.
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    bondsum wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    bondsum wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
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    It had nothing to do with Scott, it was the suits at Fox that pulled the plug.

    I don't buy that whatsoever
  • QsAssistantQsAssistant All those moments lost in time... like tears in rain
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    Just for fun here are all the cut scenes for the game Alien: Isolation. The sequel to the first Alien. It's about Amanda Ripley trying to find out what happened to her mother, Ellen Ripley.
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    I don't buy it was Fox that pulled the plug on Alien 5. I think it was Scott himself in fear that Neil's movie would be better than his prequels
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I forgot the game opened up with the classic logo from the original 'Alien.' It was the tiny touches like that that elevated the game even higher for me.

    Pretty much every time I get through the first half hour of 'Aliens,' I find myself wanting a film focused on her daughter setting out to find her, before coming across a Xenomorph of some sort. Of course, it would mess with the continuity (particularly the fact that nothing of the sort is mentioned to Ellen after she wakes up, but then again, it could've been hidden and classified by company higher-ups, much like the events of the first movie).
  • QsAssistantQsAssistant All those moments lost in time... like tears in rain
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    That or FOX just has more faith in Scott than Blomkamp.
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    No, I think Alien 5 was cancelled when the suits at Fox saw the total gross for Chappie, having already seen TriStar Pictures stung by the under-performing Elysium.

    I don't think audience confusion would be the sole reason for cancellation, especially as these superhero and Star Wars movies are constantly chopping and changing actors and their timelines between each movie.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    That or FOX just has more faith in Scott than Blomkamp.

    Why they couldn't have given audiences both is still beyond me - I don't buy the confusion nonsense. Then again, these are likely the same people who moped around in mass confusion because they couldn't understand the 'Quantum of Solace' title - as if something like a dictionary never existed before.
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    @talos7, that's definitely what happened.

    @fire_and_ice, you sure there will be that many? I was under the impression this was going to be a new trilogy that started with 'Prometheus,' so whatever follows 'Alien: Covenant' will be a direct prequel to 'Alien,' which, in turn, will likely involve a new team, LV-426, and maybe the Derelict beacon (sort of like the playable storyline from the 'Alien: Isolation' video game, which was awesome).

    I'll try to find the link regarding the additional films

    Edited: https://www.joe.ie/movies-tv/ridley-scott-to-make-as-many-as-three-more-prometheus-films-512997

    @Creasy47 I knew I had read it somewhere, so it appears Scott said three films including Covenant
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    @talos7, that's definitely what happened.

    @fire_and_ice, you sure there will be that many? I was under the impression this was going to be a new trilogy that started with 'Prometheus,' so whatever follows 'Alien: Covenant' will be a direct prequel to 'Alien,' which, in turn, will likely involve a new team, LV-426, and maybe the Derelict beacon (sort of like the playable storyline from the 'Alien: Isolation' video game, which was awesome).

    I'll try to find the link regarding the additional films

    Edited: https://www.joe.ie/movies-tv/ridley-scott-to-make-as-many-as-three-more-prometheus-films-512997

    @Creasy47 I knew I had read it somewhere, so it appears Scott said three films including Covenant

    Apologies, you were right! Don't know how I forgot about the article where he said he'd love to make them endlessly if there's a desire for them. I just hope he doesn't let himself get to the point where the movies eventually bomb and are stopped, and we don't get a proper 'Alien' prequel like he's mentioned over the last five or so years.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    bondsum wrote: »
    You're talking about Fast and Furious 8, @Shardlake. I went to see it only because my Missus dragged me along. For the life of me, I can't understand the flak that Lazenby still gets for his inadequate first-time acting skills, when Vin Diesel, who has been in countless movies by now, is still the same block of wood in every single movie he's been in. The guy seriously can't act.

    Avatar 2 will be hyped to the max when it eventually comes out. Younger, modern cinema-goers are easily swayed by clever and sustained marketing campaigns than my generation ever were. In fact nowadays, if the movie doesn't have a clever and relentless campaign, they think the movie is crap, even though the TV spots show all the best bits.

    I've only seen the first one and that was enough for me, if I want to watch something with decent car chases etc in, I'll stick with French Connection, Bullitt and of course Ronin, those 3 have set the bench mark and have yet to be topped.

    Two expensive cars casually chasing each other round Rome certainly isn't going to sate that appetite. Give me Popeye Doyle in the most visceral and thrilling car pursuit in cinematic history any day of the week.

    I'm probably wrong and Avatar will yet again coin it in for the King of the World, I'm not the audience it's targeting and I'll be honest I've not seen Avatar and all the better for it, the trailer was enough, heavy effects films have long been not impressing me.

    I don't know whether it was Ridley that put the kyboshes on Blompkamp's Alien 5 or not, although not outright I think he'd had an influence, especially if he has more of these films planned, you wanted one a film from the same universe stealing your thunder would you?


  • QsAssistantQsAssistant All those moments lost in time... like tears in rain
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    Is there only concept art for Alien 5 or did Blokamp actually release his idea for it? I'm curious where Newt is in the concept art. If they were to have her in it I would imagine it would be a different actress because the original Newt is now a grade school teacher.
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