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  • edited August 2020 Posts: 3,564
    DarthDimi wrote: »

    @BeatlesSansEarmuffs, I think both 'iterations' of Batman exist. In some, he's controlled, in others, he's the biggest maniac of them all. Batman really can be pretty unhinged. ;-)

    Oh, I will grant that many different iterations of Batman 'exist' -- DC has had Earth-1, Earth-2, Earth-Counterpoint, Earth New 52, and so many different incarnations of its more popular characters that it would be a full-time, crazy-making job to try to keep them all straight. The question is, which iteration makes the most "sense" of the character? For me, he can't really be a hero if he's a lunatic -- but he DOES work for me as a traumatized child who has grown up to become a major control freak. That's why he's got a contingency plan for everything and an army of lieutenants who have to toe his line (even if he himself does bend the rules from time to time.)
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    The whole "Batman must be crazy" line of thinking didn't appear until the late 70s and 80s. Before then, no one thought to apply "realistic" psychology to comics intended for 10 year olds (aside from Dr. Wertham, and we know where that led). Batman's origin was not often touched upon before the 1970s--it was just an excuse for him to wear a costume and have adventures. That changed when DC began "Marvelizing" Batman after the 60s camp craze wore off.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited August 2020 Posts: 14,945
    I think it's an issue with making more 'realistic' movies like the Nolans: the more normal the world he lives in the more insane and slightly worrying he becomes, even if the director tries to convince you he isn't. It's where I think Burton got it right: if you place him in a very stylised world then the character is easier to swallow (although of course Burton leant on him being brooding and troubled too).
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    As for the tone, I wouldn't go for Snyder or even Nolan. To me this feels more like the tone and style of a Fincher film. Se7en and The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, which are both films I love.

    +1

    I really love the tone and mood of this trailer. As you say, it's very Fincher. Which I think is perfectly suited to Batman as a character. The real star of this trailer has to be Greig Fraser. The cinematography is stunning.



    It's also hilarious to me as the scene with the media trucks was filmed next to my office in London and I was there that day. So weird seeing that road with a 'dark and edgy' filter 😂

    The style of the piece is intriguing. The set design is way more gothic than Nolan. but not in that overly Burton-esque. It certainly seems unique. It looks as though Matt Reeves is doubling down on the 'creepy church' aesthetic.

    If I had to flag a hesitation, it would be that (weirdly) Pattinson seems a little off. I was convinced that he'd be the perfect Bruce Wayne/Batman. But something isn't clicking just yet. Maybe it's the overly emo hair (I mean how hard is it to do hair?). I think the whole 'edgy' vibe is at risk of being contrived. This feels like a Batman built for the Gen Z crowd.

    He looked more like Bruce Wayne in Tenet...

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    Because Bruce Wayne only wears grey suits?

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    mtm wrote: »
    I think it's an issue with making more 'realistic' movies like the Nolans: the more normal the world he lives in the more insane and slightly worrying he becomes, even if the director tries to convince you he isn't. It's where I think Burton got it right: if you place him in a very stylised world then the character is easier to swallow (although of course Burton leant on him being brooding and troubled too).

    Agreed. Batman and Bond are characters that seem more realistic than those of an outright fantasy, but they still live in a fantasy world. It's a world that seems more like ours than Oz or Narnia, but a fantasy world nevertheless. The Nolan films took Batman as far as any films could into a realistic world, and I think they came up to the limits of that approach, excellent as they were. Burton placed Batman in a gothic-operatic phantasmagoria where someone like Batman made sense. And in the comics Frank Miller made Batman relevant by placing him in urban dystopias where his presence seemed necessary. Bond's stylized world of opulence, futuristic technology, and vast villains' lairs is similarly a fantasy world, all the more alluring for seeming to arise from our own, though it's still a fantasy. At times the Bond films have pressed too hard on the fantasy and came off as cartoonish; at other times they have leaned too hard on reality and disturbed the audience.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    It does seem like Reeves is striking that balance of realism and gothic to create something seemingly unique for this cinematic iteration of the character.
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    I am so hyped for Gotham Knights last time I was this hyped for a game period was 2016's Batman Telltale and before that I wanna say Arkham Origins 2013 (And before that Arkham City Bloodstone in 2010 lol)

    Iam just hoping Joker is not included in the villains
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    GadgetMan wrote: »

    That s cool, but the way this is phrased is weird. Why would he ask Nolan for advice?
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
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    GadgetMan wrote: »

    That s cool, but the way this is phrased is weird. Why would he ask Nolan for advice?

    Yeah, I think because he's still the most successful Batman director....commercially and critically.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    GadgetMan wrote: »
    GadgetMan wrote: »

    That s cool, but the way this is phrased is weird. Why would he ask Nolan for advice?

    Yeah, I think because he's still the most successful Batman director....commercially and critically.

    Sure, but it is Reeves who calls the shots now. He is the one Pattinson asks.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    I mean I'm sure if the new James Bond was working with Martin Campbell or Sam Mendes on a project when they were cast, they'd ask for some advice? Just a natural conversation to have. Doesn't undermine the director they'd be working with in any way.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    I mean I'm sure if the new James Bond was working with Martin Campbell or Sam Mendes on a project when they were cast, they'd ask for some advice? Just a natural conversation to have. Doesn't undermine the director they'd be working with in any way.

    What kind of advice?
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
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    mtm wrote: »
    Have you seen that it's possible to solve the riddle shown in the trailer? Just in case you want to have a try, as a reminder before you click on the answer the riddle in the card is "What does a liar do when he's dead?"
    https://www.firstshowing.net/2020/did-you-solve-the-riddle-hidden-in-the-batman-teaser-heres-how/

    That's very cool. Nice riddle with a funny answer.
    Does this mean that we see Batman sitting in his office for ten minutes and finally cracking the code?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited August 2020 Posts: 14,945
    Denbigh wrote: »
    I mean I'm sure if the new James Bond was working with Martin Campbell or Sam Mendes on a project when they were cast, they'd ask for some advice? Just a natural conversation to have. Doesn't undermine the director they'd be working with in any way.

    I think it kind of does, doesn't it? It's not their film so they shouldn't really direct an actor on it, and advising someone of how to play a role is, basically, directing them. Unless it is purely technical stuff like 'make sure you drink plenty of water' or something.
    mtm wrote: »
    Have you seen that it's possible to solve the riddle shown in the trailer? Just in case you want to have a try, as a reminder before you click on the answer the riddle in the card is "What does a liar do when he's dead?"
    https://www.firstshowing.net/2020/did-you-solve-the-riddle-hidden-in-the-batman-teaser-heres-how/

    That's very cool. Nice riddle with a funny answer.
    Does this mean that we see Batman sitting in his office for ten minutes and finally cracking the code?

    Yes it's a good proper riddle! :)
    Good point though, how will the pictograph thing work in a film? If he's just going to come out of a darkened room and say 'I solved it!' there's kind of no point in it being there, but watching him solve it will be really boring! :D
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited August 2020 Posts: 5,869
    mtm wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    I mean I'm sure if the new James Bond was working with Martin Campbell or Sam Mendes on a project when they were cast, they'd ask for some advice? Just a natural conversation to have. Doesn't undermine the director they'd be working with in any way.
    I think it kind of does, doesn't it? It's not their film so they shouldn't really direct an actor on it, and advising someone of how to play a role is, basically, directing them. Unless it is purely technical stuff like 'make sure you drink plenty of water' or something.
    Honestly, not at all. I don't think giving advice is the same as directing really, especially if you're not the director, and asking a director whose worked on the property before for their own thoughts on it, isn't asking what to do, because the beauty of advice is that you do what you want with it. Pattinson could take it and use it as a way to feel more confident with the role he's been given, or be like "cool" and get on with it.

    Either way, I'm sure Pattinson greatly respects Reeves, and that they have full control over what's going on.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited August 2020 Posts: 8,034
    Mountain out of a molehill being made here. The new Batman has a large role in a film made by a previous Batman trilogy director...

    They are professionals and, but they're also human and I'm sure it was an elephant in the room at some point that they likely both acknowledged without undermining anyone.

    That being said, it's often been the norm for actors to ask previous actors of the same part for advice. Didn't Reeves' mention that Pattinson had spoken to Bale?
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    I'm sure it was an elephant in the room at some point that they likely both acknowledged without undermining anyone.
    100%, and yeah he did speak to Bale.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
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    I even read somewhere that Travis Knight asked Michael Bay for advice when he was directing Bumblebee. And as we saw with the finished film, they're very different directors. I think it's normal asking for advice....asking for advice doesn't mean one isn't harbouring his own style or thoughts. I see asking for advice in this context, as a way of simply showing respect.
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    Still excited :D
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
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    Trailer in lego.

  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    edited September 2020 Posts: 13,006
    Tenet Lego. Lego Tenet. Pretty compelling. Even on the wrong thread.

  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    The Batman has resumed production, no word if Pattinson has returned to set yet:

    https://deadline.com/2020/09/the-batman-resumes-production-in-uk-after-robert-pattinson-covid-19-shutdown-1234578714/
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    The Batman has resumed production, no word if Pattinson has returned to set yet:

    https://deadline.com/2020/09/the-batman-resumes-production-in-uk-after-robert-pattinson-covid-19-shutdown-1234578714/

    I hope so
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    He was spotted in London yesterday with his girlfriend and seems to be doing well. I imagine he'll be on set as soon as :)
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    He was spotted in London yesterday with his girlfriend and seems to be doing well. I imagine he'll be on set as soon as :)

    I assume you mean Bruce Wayne was spotted in London? ;-)

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    Alternative 90s : Voosloo as mr Freeze , Cross/Luner as Poison Ivy

    55 anniversary since filming started on Batman 60s series
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    Tracy wrote: »
    Alternative 90s : Voosloo as mr Freeze , Cross/Luner as Poison Ivy

    55 anniversary since filming started on Batman 60s series

    personally i would prefer Patrick Stewart as Freeze and Uma thruman was fine as poison ivy though the lines were BAAAAD
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited September 2020 Posts: 4,109
    More alternative casting: Jack Palance as Shame in Batman 66 and Cliff Robertson as Carl Grissom in Batman 89. I think I see Palance as Shame based on his performance in City Slickers (1991).
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    WB: History of the Joker
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