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  • edited January 2021 Posts: 2,896
    I remember watching those episodes as a kid (when they were rerun in the '80s) and being spooked that the credits never named the actor. Just "?".

    Maybe Batman took its cue from Blofeld's credit in From Russia With Love?
  • Gotham PD Series at HBO Max Enlists Joe Barton as New Showrunner

    The upcoming Gotham PD series at HBO Max has found its new showrunner in Joe Barton, Variety has learned.

    Barton previously created and wrote the BBC Two/Netflix drama series “Giri/Haji.” He also previously wrote the feature film “The Ritual.”

    The Gotham PD show will exist in the same world as the upcoming film “The Batman” from Matt Reeves. It is said to build on the film’s examination of the anatomy of corruption in Gotham City.

    https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/gotham-pd-series-hbo-max-showrunner-joe-barton-1234882681/

    What's the over-under on this shooting in the UK, given that the new Batman movie is also filming there and the showrunner is a British man and who has never made a tv program outside Britain before?
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    i am more intrigued by batman Soul of the dragon
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    i am more intrigued by batman Soul of the dragon

    I watched it last night. Lots of fun, and it's not just a Kung Fu film homage: I counted at least 7 Bond references!
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I used to be a proud defender and loyal fan of DC's animated output, but somehow, in recent times, the spark seems to have gone missing. Batman Ninja was one of the last really outstanding films, in my opinion, with Hush moderately acceptable as well. I'll probably check SOTD out soon, but it's not a priority for me any more.
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    I think most of DC's animated films have been disappointments. Tying animation closer to the comics storylines has been a mistake. The only DC animated films I'd be delighted to re-watch are New Frontier, Crisis on Two Earths, Under the Red Hood, The Flashpoint Paradox, and Soul of the Dragon.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
    edited January 2021 Posts: 4,247
    Batman: The Dark Knight Returns is a top DC animation, with a thunderous score by Christopher Drake that Hans Zimmer would be very proud of :)>-
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    https://screenrant.com/batman-animated-series-reboot-kevin-smith-hbo-max/

    Take with a grain of salt, but I could see it happening.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    GadgetMan wrote: »
    Batman: The Dark Knight Returns is a top DC animation, with a thunderous score by Christopher Drake that Hans Zimmer would be very proud of :)>-

    Christopher Drake has great output with DC Animation, the Superman/Batman: Public Enemies and All-Star Superman scores are fantastic, I often listen to them in isolation.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
    edited January 2021 Posts: 4,247
    GadgetMan wrote: »
    Batman: The Dark Knight Returns is a top DC animation, with a thunderous score by Christopher Drake that Hans Zimmer would be very proud of :)>-

    Christopher Drake has great output with DC Animation, the Superman/Batman: Public Enemies and All-Star Superman scores are fantastic, I often listen to them in isolation.

    Exactly!!! @Fire_and_Ice_Returns :)>- I do that as well. Drake is really DC's Top animation Composer. And his score for the Wonder Woman animation is really good as well....those female ethereal vocals are so good.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    GadgetMan wrote: »
    Batman: The Dark Knight Returns is a top DC animation, with a thunderous score by Christopher Drake that Hans Zimmer would be very proud of :)>-

    Christopher Drake has great output with DC Animation, the Superman/Batman: Public Enemies and All-Star Superman scores are fantastic, I often listen to them in isolation.

    Drake's scores are in heavy rotation here whenever I'm reading Batman comics. I find them infinitely re-usable as mood setters and musical undercurrents for a night of reading.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    GadgetMan wrote: »
    GadgetMan wrote: »
    Batman: The Dark Knight Returns is a top DC animation, with a thunderous score by Christopher Drake that Hans Zimmer would be very proud of :)>-

    Christopher Drake has great output with DC Animation, the Superman/Batman: Public Enemies and All-Star Superman scores are fantastic, I often listen to them in isolation.

    Exactly!!! @Fire_and_Ice_Returns :)>- I do that as well. Drake is really DC's Top animation Composer. And his score for the Wonder Woman animation is really good as well....those female ethereal vocals are so good.

    Is that the most recent Wonder Woman animated movie, i still have not watched that one.
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    GadgetMan wrote: »
    Batman: The Dark Knight Returns is a top DC animation, with a thunderous score by Christopher Drake that Hans Zimmer would be very proud of :)>-

    Christopher Drake has great output with DC Animation, the Superman/Batman: Public Enemies and All-Star Superman scores are fantastic, I often listen to them in isolation.

    Drake's scores are in heavy rotation here whenever I'm reading Batman comics. I find them infinitely re-usable as mood setters and musical undercurrents for a night of reading.

    When I read the graphic novels I have never considered playing any of the scores in the background, it would certainly help fuel the imagination further.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
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    Oh! @Fire_and_Ice_Returns It's the 2009 Wonder Woman animation.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    GadgetMan wrote: »
    Batman: The Dark Knight Returns is a top DC animation, with a thunderous score by Christopher Drake that Hans Zimmer would be very proud of :)>-

    Christopher Drake has great output with DC Animation, the Superman/Batman: Public Enemies and All-Star Superman scores are fantastic, I often listen to them in isolation.

    Drake's scores are in heavy rotation here whenever I'm reading Batman comics. I find them infinitely re-usable as mood setters and musical undercurrents for a night of reading.

    Sounds great! :D I'll try that. The one I usually do, is listening to Bond scores while reading a Bond Novel, Comic or literary Bond. Like for example, listening to Arnold's CR score, as I read Fleming's CR....in that order for the rest as well :)
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    GadgetMan wrote: »
    Oh! @Fire_and_Ice_Returns It's the 2009 Wonder Woman animation.

    It better be. That one is great. That recent "Bloodlines" film, by contrast, felt like an uninspired rehash of things that worked in the live-action film combined with a fairly uninteresting side-story. That film oughtn't to be mentioned at all.

    The Drake score for the 2009 movie is another delicious piece of work. The first track, some 10 minutes long, kicks ass. It has awesome action beats, ethereal vocals (as @GadgetMan correctly points out) and powerful "hero" music. I love that film so much, I even read the novelization and yes, Drake's sore was always there with me, playing in the background.

    I really wish his score for the underrated Batman: Year One could be found in isolation, but that one was never released. I believe there was a petition for its release at some point but those usually amount to nothing.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    GadgetMan wrote: »
    Oh! @Fire_and_Ice_Returns It's the 2009 Wonder Woman animation.

    It better be. That one is great. That recent "Bloodlines" film, by contrast, felt like an uninspired rehash of things that worked in the live-action film combined with a fairly uninteresting side-story. That film oughtn't to be mentioned at all.

    The Drake score for the 2009 movie is another delicious piece of work. The first track, some 10 minutes long, kicks ass. It has awesome action beats, ethereal vocals (as @GadgetMan correctly points out) and powerful "hero" music. I love that film so much, I even read the novelization and yes, Drake's sore was always there with me, playing in the background.

    I really wish his score for the underrated Batman: Year One could be found in isolation, but that one was never released. I believe there was a petition for its release at some point but those usually amount to nothing.

    Yeah. Perfect score by Drake it is @DarthDimi :)>-

    And yes, his Batman: Year One score is another one we're expecting to be released someday. But just like you rightly said, Hopes are usually thin in such situations. But all we can do is hope for that solid score to be released :)
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    One more thing about Drake. I know that he and Kevin Smith, after their animated conversation on FATMAN ON BATMAN ep. 30 - 31, worked together on TUSK and YOGA HOSERS, the latter definitely one of Smith's weaker films, IMO. Sadly, not the type of film to put Drake's strengths to good use. And since then, Drake hasn't been doing all that much scoring anymore.

    I wish someone would pick him up for a serious live-action horror or action flick. See, the thing about Drake is that even without a full orchestra, he can "synth" his way out of any ordeal, it seems. Plus, I'm getting a lot of Carpenter vibes off his TDKR score, and some Zimmer too. The man is in control of melody and percussion, a rare talent in these musically "monotone" days. And just imagine what he could do with a full orchestra...

    Think about Michael Giacchino, who started out in video game music and worked his way firmly up the ladder, ultimately doing M:I, Star Wars, Star Trek and other projects. I'm sure Drake could get there too. What's more, is that his brilliant TDKR score was performed with very little money, and pretty much all by himself. Any artist capable of pulling something like this off for a nickel and a dime is someone you might want to give a film to score.

    I'm willing to step up my appreciation for Drake even more. His Batman "theme", prominently featured in TDKR but also heard in Gotham Knight for example, though simple, is incredibly effective. Then again, between Elfman's theme, Walker's theme and Zimmer's two-note theme, Drake's Batman theme has quickly become one of my absolute favourites. I'd love to hear it again, and why not in a live-action film? So far, it's only been a synth track. Now imagine a full orchestra blasting out this powerful, fist-pumping hero moment like a boss! Yeah, heaven...
  • MaxCasino wrote: »
    https://screenrant.com/batman-animated-series-reboot-kevin-smith-hbo-max/

    Take with a grain of salt, but I could see it happening.

    If they go through with this, I sincerely hope they spend more time and money on the animation than they currently do with the Direct to DVD movies.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    One more thing about Drake. I know that he and Kevin Smith, after their animated conversation on FATMAN ON BATMAN ep. 30 - 31, worked together on TUSK and YOGA HOSERS, the latter definitely one of Smith's weaker films, IMO. Sadly, not the type of film to put Drake's strengths to good use. And since then, Drake hasn't been doing all that much scoring anymore.

    I wish someone would pick him up for a serious live-action horror or action flick. See, the thing about Drake is that even without a full orchestra, he can "synth" his way out of any ordeal, it seems. Plus, I'm getting a lot of Carpenter vibes off his TDKR score, and some Zimmer too. The man is in control of melody and percussion, a rare talent in these musically "monotone" days. And just imagine what he could do with a full orchestra...

    Think about Michael Giacchino, who started out in video game music and worked his way firmly up the ladder, ultimately doing M:I, Star Wars, Star Trek and other projects. I'm sure Drake could get there too. What's more, is that his brilliant TDKR score was performed with very little money, and pretty much all by himself. Any artist capable of pulling something like this off for a nickel and a dime is someone you might want to give a film to score.

    I'm willing to step up my appreciation for Drake even more. His Batman "theme", prominently featured in TDKR but also heard in Gotham Knight for example, though simple, is incredibly effective. Then again, between Elfman's theme, Walker's theme and Zimmer's two-note theme, Drake's Batman theme has quickly become one of my absolute favourites. I'd love to hear it again, and why not in a live-action film? So far, it's only been a synth track. Now imagine a full orchestra blasting out this powerful, fist-pumping hero moment like a boss! Yeah, heaven...

    Exactly! @DarthDimi Drake is just so good and his Batman theme is really, really infectious. It's still a wonder why he isn't that mainstream as a composer. But maybe, he isn't far away from it and hopefully, he scores a big-budget live-action action film soon.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    https://screenrant.com/batman-animated-series-reboot-kevin-smith-hbo-max/

    Take with a grain of salt, but I could see it happening.

    If they go through with this, I sincerely hope they spend more time and money on the animation than they currently do with the Direct to DVD movies.

    Excellent point! It's looking cheaper by the minute.

    Compare this

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    to this

    weathering-with-you.jpg

    I know that DC often works with Japanese and Korean animators, but they're not getting the quality that Japanese films -- granted, many of which are released theatrically -- are getting. Still, I wish they'd try better and perhaps invest a little more money in the animation.
  • edited January 2021 Posts: 440
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    https://screenrant.com/batman-animated-series-reboot-kevin-smith-hbo-max/

    Take with a grain of salt, but I could see it happening.

    If they go through with this, I sincerely hope they spend more time and money on the animation than they currently do with the Direct to DVD movies.

    Excellent point! It's looking cheaper by the minute.

    Compare this

    wb-2079932_6000118344-Full-Image_GalleryBackground-en-US-1574828059155._RI_.jpg

    to this

    weathering-with-you.jpg

    I know that DC often works with Japanese and Korean animators, but they're not getting the quality that Japanese films -- granted, many of which are released theatrically -- are getting. Still, I wish they'd try better and perhaps invest a little more money in the animation.

    Exactly. Not to mention that one of the things which set the animated series apart from pretty much all of its contemporaries was the extremely lavish animation and music budget.

    Even animation on the same budget level as the current DC direct to DVD movies can still have interesting looking designs, shots, and backgrounds, but these don't, for the most part.
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    if Batman the animated series is coming back I kind of hope we get some villains we didnt get in the original run specifically Black Mask, Ratcatcher, Deathstroke, and Zsasz
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited January 2021 Posts: 23,547
    I'll just speak my fanboy mind, @AKillToAView and @GadgetMan. I have since long been dreaming of a theatrically released, top-quality, animated Batman film. I'm talking "perfect" animation like in Ghost In The Shell Innocence, Your Name or other output from the grandmasters of Japanese anime, with every single detail, every pixel as it were, a work of art. The film would be an adaptation of one of the classic comics/graphic novels. It would feature the voices of Conroy, Hamill and other alumni. Drake would score the film, Jay Oliva can direct. It would be the first Western animation in recent times to not follow the Pixar or Cartoon Network templates, but to reach for much better. I don't know... Something tells me it's perfectly possible. Your Name cost upwards of 30 million dollars and made close to a 12-fold of that, with about 90% in international markets. An astonishing achievement for a "serious" anime not necessarily aimed at kids. Imagine what a high-quality Batman anime could do, as long as it doesn't look like another Minions or Ice Age flick. Yes, I know Batman: Ninja. It's a good film, but what I am dreaming of is way better.
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I'll just speak my fanboy mind, @AKillToAView and @GadgetMan. I have since long been dreaming of a theatrically released, top-quality, animated Batman film. I'm talking "perfect" animation like in Ghost In The Shell Innocence, Your Name or other output from the grandmasters of Japanese anime, with every single detail, every pixel as it were, a work of art. The film would be an adaptation of one of the classic comics/graphic novels. It would feature the voices of Conroy, Hamill and other alumni. Drake would score the film, Jay Oliva can direct. It would be the first Western animation in recent times to not follow the Pixar or Cartoon Network templates, but to reach for much better. I don't know... Something tells me it's perfectly possible. Your Name cost upwards of 30 million dollars and made close to a 12-fold of that, with about 90% in international markets. An astonishing achievement for a "serious" anime not necessarily aimed at kids. Imagine what a high-quality Batman anime could do, as long as it doesn't look like another Minions or Ice Age flick. Yes, I know Batman: Ninja. It's a good film, but what I am dreaming of is way better.

    as long as Joker is not the villain I am down... maybe a villain that is under utelized Black Mask or MadHatter or clayface?
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
    edited January 2021 Posts: 4,247
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I'll just speak my fanboy mind, @AKillToAView and @GadgetMan. I have since long been dreaming of a theatrically released, top-quality, animated Batman film. I'm talking "perfect" animation like in Ghost In The Shell Innocence, Your Name or other output from the grandmasters of Japanese anime, with every single detail, every pixel as it were, a work of art. The film would be an adaptation of one of the classic comics/graphic novels. It would feature the voices of Conroy, Hamill and other alumni. Drake would score the film, Jay Oliva can direct. It would be the first Western animation in recent times to not follow the Pixar or Cartoon Network templates, but to reach for much better. I don't know... Something tells me it's perfectly possible. Your Name cost upwards of 30 million dollars and made close to a 12-fold of that, with about 90% in international markets. An astonishing achievement for a "serious" anime not necessarily aimed at kids. Imagine what a high-quality Batman anime could do, as long as it doesn't look like another Minions or Ice Age flick. Yes, I know Batman: Ninja. It's a good film, but what I am dreaming of is way better.

    Yeah, I agree @DarthDimi Conroy, Hamill, Drake and Oliva would be the perfect combo. Maybe something akin to Batman: Mask of the Phantasm or better. Although, I really enjoyed Batman: Gotham by Gaslight....I know it feels like Sherlock Holmes because of the Victorian backdrop, but I really enjoyed it. I think we simply need the thriller/suspense elements back in Batman animations.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    GadgetMan wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I'll just speak my fanboy mind, @AKillToAView and @GadgetMan. I have since long been dreaming of a theatrically released, top-quality, animated Batman film. I'm talking "perfect" animation like in Ghost In The Shell Innocence, Your Name or other output from the grandmasters of Japanese anime, with every single detail, every pixel as it were, a work of art. The film would be an adaptation of one of the classic comics/graphic novels. It would feature the voices of Conroy, Hamill and other alumni. Drake would score the film, Jay Oliva can direct. It would be the first Western animation in recent times to not follow the Pixar or Cartoon Network templates, but to reach for much better. I don't know... Something tells me it's perfectly possible. Your Name cost upwards of 30 million dollars and made close to a 12-fold of that, with about 90% in international markets. An astonishing achievement for a "serious" anime not necessarily aimed at kids. Imagine what a high-quality Batman anime could do, as long as it doesn't look like another Minions or Ice Age flick. Yes, I know Batman: Ninja. It's a good film, but what I am dreaming of is way better.

    Yeah, I agree @DarthDimi Conroy, Hamill, Drake and Oliva would be the perfect combo. Maybe something akin to Batman: Mask of the Phantasm or even better. Although, I really enjoyed Batman: Gotham by Gaslight....I know it feels like Sherlock Holmes because of the Victorian backdrop, but I really enjoyed it. I think we simply need the thriller/suspense elements back in Batman animations.

    Absolutely.

    In fact... I'd love more of those Elsewords adaptations, like the Batman & Dracula trilogy or Mignola's delicious, Lovecraftian Batman: The Doom That Came to Gotham.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
    edited January 2021 Posts: 4,247
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    GadgetMan wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I'll just speak my fanboy mind, @AKillToAView and @GadgetMan. I have since long been dreaming of a theatrically released, top-quality, animated Batman film. I'm talking "perfect" animation like in Ghost In The Shell Innocence, Your Name or other output from the grandmasters of Japanese anime, with every single detail, every pixel as it were, a work of art. The film would be an adaptation of one of the classic comics/graphic novels. It would feature the voices of Conroy, Hamill and other alumni. Drake would score the film, Jay Oliva can direct. It would be the first Western animation in recent times to not follow the Pixar or Cartoon Network templates, but to reach for much better. I don't know... Something tells me it's perfectly possible. Your Name cost upwards of 30 million dollars and made close to a 12-fold of that, with about 90% in international markets. An astonishing achievement for a "serious" anime not necessarily aimed at kids. Imagine what a high-quality Batman anime could do, as long as it doesn't look like another Minions or Ice Age flick. Yes, I know Batman: Ninja. It's a good film, but what I am dreaming of is way better.

    Yeah, I agree @DarthDimi Conroy, Hamill, Drake and Oliva would be the perfect combo. Maybe something akin to Batman: Mask of the Phantasm or even better. Although, I really enjoyed Batman: Gotham by Gaslight....I know it feels like Sherlock Holmes because of the Victorian backdrop, but I really enjoyed it. I think we simply need the thriller/suspense elements back in Batman animations.

    Absolutely.

    In fact... I'd love more of those Elsewords adaptations, like the Batman & Dracula trilogy or Mignola's delicious, Lovecraftian Batman: The Doom That Came to Gotham.

    Yeah. Great titles. Oh, you meant the Elseworlds(must be a slight typo)....Yeah, great titles as well. Would really need an intelligent director, doing a non-linear twist with a linear purpose to properly unfold these Batman adaptations on screen, but it's still very possible.
  • edited January 2021 Posts: 440
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I'll just speak my fanboy mind, @AKillToAView and @GadgetMan. I have since long been dreaming of a theatrically released, top-quality, animated Batman film. I'm talking "perfect" animation like in Ghost In The Shell Innocence, Your Name or other output from the grandmasters of Japanese anime, with every single detail, every pixel as it were, a work of art. The film would be an adaptation of one of the classic comics/graphic novels. It would feature the voices of Conroy, Hamill and other alumni. Drake would score the film, Jay Oliva can direct. It would be the first Western animation in recent times to not follow the Pixar or Cartoon Network templates, but to reach for much better. I don't know... Something tells me it's perfectly possible. Your Name cost upwards of 30 million dollars and made close to a 12-fold of that, with about 90% in international markets. An astonishing achievement for a "serious" anime not necessarily aimed at kids. Imagine what a high-quality Batman anime could do, as long as it doesn't look like another Minions or Ice Age flick. Yes, I know Batman: Ninja. It's a good film, but what I am dreaming of is way better.

    That could work. After all, they did something much like it with Mask of the Phantasm so nothing is stopping them from doing it again.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    1. The Dark Knight
    2. Batman Begins
    3. Batman
    4. Batman Forever
    5. Batman Returns
    6. The Dark Knight Rises
    7. Batman V Superman
    8. Batman and Robin
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited January 2021 Posts: 5,869
    1. Batman Returns
    2. The Dark Knight
    3. Batman
    4. The Dark Knight Rises
    5. Batman Begins
    6. Batman V Superman
    7. Batman Forever
    8. Batman and Robin

    Although I think after The Batman is released that'll top the list for me.
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