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I can’t deny that I like how they set up the Bat’s relationship with the Cat in The Batman. I did. And definitely found it an upgrade on Hathaway (Nolan can’t write women; why he doesn’t get his brother, or better yet, his sister-in-law to script doctor his characterization of women in his films, Ive no idea).
But Kravitz, unfortunately, didn’t sell the streetwise, savvy, sexy, survivor to me. I was really bored by her actual performance.
I too am a huge fan of BR.
Yes, Hathaway was a weirdly sort of chaste Catwoman, wasn't she? Catwoman should have a bit more danger to her.
Although Pfeiffer's one is perhaps of her time and wouldn't feel very modern now, she's definitely still the standout. I must admit I can't really remember Kravitz's one, she didn't leave much impact on me.
I watched the new Guardians of the Galaxy last night and I could imagine Zoe Saldana being a great Selina. I think she's a bit fed up with all of these franchises though! :)
And I agree Hathaway wasn’t to blame. It was written so blandly. Apart from her long hair and leather outfit (and a very nice figure), there was nothing sexy about HER, the character.
Yes, Pfeiffer’s wild performance will always be timeless to me @007ClassicBondFan !
Fair enough, and well said.
For anyone who has them: how are the 4Ks for the Batman movies, specifically 89-97 anthology? Would really love to see Burton’s films pop even more!
Same here! She’s such a standout element in Batman Returns, and I’d argue her chemistry with Keaton is what makes Returns my favorite of the live action Bat-Flicks. I also have to say I’m in your camp on Kravitz. She wasn’t bad in the role, but she lacks that seductiveness that Pfeiffer had. Even Hathaway had a bit of that I thought.
@007ClassicBondFan – you nailed it: the chemistry between Pfeiffer and Keaton elevated both of the characters. They were very sexy together, and real (in such a surreal film); they were shy around each other, and clumsy (think about when Bruce asks her over to watch the lighting of the Christmas tree, or with them on the couch, in front of the roaring fireplace), and as their alter egos, they were absolutely animalistic and erotic (their battles were aggressively sexual; they took turns at who was on top. They were sensual to the extreme, from her licking Batman’s face (and him tasting her saliva), to the extremes of her stabbing him in the ribs with one of her talons (meow), and him pitching acid into her arm.
It was an incredible coupling!!
They look really good if you can get past the teal tint of the night scenes.
Oh yes, I quite agree with that. What a legendary performance.
And man! Those lips! Imagine what she can do with those 😍
As for the 4Ks of Batman 89 and Returns…they look horrible.They have this weird blue teal tint and they replaced certain sound effects to make the fikms sound more “ modern “.I’m sticking with my Blu rays
I heard that the main reason some 4K remasters look awful is because they are made in a rush.
This has happened before with some Blu-Rays too.
I’m guessing you’re under 25, or you don’t have a lot of women friends in your life?
As for the teal filter, I read apparently that that makes the 4K closest to the original theatrical image, so that’s not exactly an authenticity problem. I certainly didn’t mind it from the clips I saw. I will watch the film entirely again soon when I get it to see if anything really sticks out, but I’m guessing the complaints are a bit overblown, at least from my perspective.
I’ve noticed that the new 4K transfers also have updated some of the sound effects too. I’ve had these transfers on my wishlist for quite some time now, but I haven’t been in much of a hurry to own them.
YMMV, but as a longtime, huge fan of the movie and being immediately concerned when I heard they changed the sound, I was totally fine with it. Normally I’m very opposed to changing any art, and I suppose this does still go against that principle, but it was so subtle for me I just didn’t even care in this case. Nothing like George Lucas Star Wars stuff.
It doesn’t bother me either. In fact I got quite the kick out of it! The only thing that seems disappointing to me are these 4K versions being unavailable to stream, either on MAX or wherever else.
When it comes to new sound mixes, I think a worse offender is the one made for SUPERMAN 78 where they actually change the foley sounds and added things that weren’t in the original (and in some cases, took out dialogue, resulting in characters now mouthing words that don’t come through sound).
Seriously??? That sounds really bad. First I’ve heard of it. Is this specifically for 4K or Blu-Ray too?
It’s been that way ever since the first DVD from 2001. It wasn’t until the Blu-ray for the theatrical cut that they started including the original stereo mix. The Atmos mix is derived from the 2001 remix.
1978 Mix
2001 Remix
Really excited for this!
From the illustrator Kerry Callen.
It saddens me that Subzero was cut down in material and tone. I feel the version of the movie we got could have just been a BTAS two-parter. I don't honestly see The Joker and Harley Quinn teaming up with Mr. Freeze, as I don't see the BTAS Mr. Freeze as insane. This version would have been a good finale in the DCAU for both Freeze and Nora. Both getting cured, with a bittersweet ending. Ironically, Mark Hamill and Arleen Sorkin recorded their lines. The original cut could have been released to theaters like Mask of the Phantasm, hopefully better promoted. Release the Subzero Workprint! Subzero joins Batman Forever and Suicide Squad as DC movies that deserve their original cut. I know that Batman and Robin messed some things up, but Subzero could have fixed a lot of things for Batman, Robin, Batgirl and especially Mr. Freeze.
https://dcanimated.com//WF/sections/backstage/abandoned/
While I'm happy that WB and DC are making animated movies more often now (often from BTAS and DCAU staff, thankfully), I wish we could have gotten one or two more in BTAS style. Batman: Arkham had some true promise.
A game-changer, Joker pun intended.
Still my absolute favorite of the four! I rank them as:
1) AA
2) AK
3) AC
4) AO
1. Arkham City
2. Arkham Asylum
3. Arkham Origins
4. Arkham Knight
Frankly, I thought Knight was very disappointing story-wise and made a big mistake with Scarecrow’s characterization and shoehorning in The Joker - it’s the one where I’d say the extra / side content surpassed the main campaign. The Professor Pyg mission in particular is a highlight. The bosses and bat-tank also bring it down a bit. Origins on the other hand, while not close to the first two, was pretty underrated IMO. Love the bosses and Christmas setting.