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  • 00Beast00Beast
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    Soundofthesinners wrote:
    5. Bond only rarely feeling "in danger" throughout the movie. Seriously, he runs roughshod over the villains with one brief exception.

    Strangely enough, this time is one of only three instances where Bond is actually shot- definitely one of his most vulnerable times! The other two are actually both from SkyFall!
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
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    00Beast wrote:
    Soundofthesinners wrote:
    5. Bond only rarely feeling "in danger" throughout the movie. Seriously, he runs roughshod over the villains with one brief exception.

    Strangely enough, this time is one of only three instances where Bond is actually shot- definitely one of his most vulnerable times! The other two are actually both from SkyFall!

    That would be the one time he feels vulnerable (or part of it: mainly the whole Fiona sequence), as fate would have it.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Soundofthesinners wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    Soundofthesinners wrote:
    5. Bond only rarely feeling "in danger" throughout the movie. Seriously, he runs roughshod over the villains with one brief exception.

    Strangely enough, this time is one of only three instances where Bond is actually shot- definitely one of his most vulnerable times! The other two are actually both from SkyFall!

    That would be the one time he feels vulnerable (or part of it: mainly the whole Fiona sequence), as fate would have it.

    Bond is vulnerable countless times in the series, from FRWL and GF to TB and OHMSS leading into the Dalton era, some of Brosnan and a lot in the Craig era. It isn't something rare.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    It's been so long since i've seen this, and don't even own a copy, and memories may be a little fuzzy but going with,

    #1 The background as the Disco Volante nears the rocks near the end, all speeded up. It looks ridiculous

    #2 A disappointing pre titles sequence, culminating in a hitherto serious Connery putting on a jet-pack and zooming over the rooftops

    #3 Not enough screen time for the lovely Luciana Paluzzi

    #4 Too much time spent on underwater scenes and imagery

    #5 Can't quite think of what else to include. Maybe Tom Jones theme intro, but it wasn't so bad. Would go as far to say, it was responsible for the spoof Never Say Never Again, but even that was a decent watch, even if in unofficial capacity, and streets ahead in terms of entertainment or value than Casino Royale '67 as the other (unofficial) entry
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    Soundofthesinners wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    Soundofthesinners wrote:
    5. Bond only rarely feeling "in danger" throughout the movie. Seriously, he runs roughshod over the villains with one brief exception.

    Strangely enough, this time is one of only three instances where Bond is actually shot- definitely one of his most vulnerable times! The other two are actually both from SkyFall!

    That would be the one time he feels vulnerable (or part of it: mainly the whole Fiona sequence), as fate would have it.

    Bond is vulnerable countless times in the series, from FRWL and GF to TB and OHMSS leading into the Dalton era, some of Brosnan and a lot in the Craig era. It isn't something rare.

    Well aware. I was only referring to Thunderball.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited May 2013 Posts: 28,694
    Soundofthesinners wrote:
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    Soundofthesinners wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    Soundofthesinners wrote:
    5. Bond only rarely feeling "in danger" throughout the movie. Seriously, he runs roughshod over the villains with one brief exception.

    Strangely enough, this time is one of only three instances where Bond is actually shot- definitely one of his most vulnerable times! The other two are actually both from SkyFall!

    That would be the one time he feels vulnerable (or part of it: mainly the whole Fiona sequence), as fate would have it.

    Bond is vulnerable countless times in the series, from FRWL and GF to TB and OHMSS leading into the Dalton era, some of Brosnan and a lot in the Craig era. It isn't something rare.

    Well aware. I was only referring to Thunderball.

    Oh, okay. Another case Bond is vulnerable in TB is near the beginning when he is strapped to the spinal traction machine and Lippe sets it to its highest speed. Bond also faces danger when trapped in Largo's pool with the shark. In addition, near the end when he thinks Largo is going to shoot him, Bond looks grave and is very vulnerable, giving off immense pleasure when Domino shoots Largo and saves him from dying.

    Just thought I'd give more examples to add on to the parade scene where Bond gets shot that showcases his vulnerability in the film.
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    Soundofthesinners wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    Soundofthesinners wrote:
    5. Bond only rarely feeling "in danger" throughout the movie. Seriously, he runs roughshod over the villains with one brief exception.

    Strangely enough, this time is one of only three instances where Bond is actually shot- definitely one of his most vulnerable times! The other two are actually both from SkyFall!

    That would be the one time he feels vulnerable (or part of it: mainly the whole Fiona sequence), as fate would have it.

    Bond is vulnerable countless times in the series, from FRWL and GF to TB and OHMSS leading into the Dalton era, some of Brosnan and a lot in the Craig era. It isn't something rare.

    Excellent point, Brady! We tend to think of Bond as the "plainclothes superhero", especially in the Roger Moore era, but when you come down to it, he has some very human moments. One I can think of on the spur of the moment is in LTK when Sanchez has him at the point of his machete. If it weren't for Felix's wedding gift, Bond probably would have been a dead man!
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    00Beast wrote:
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    Soundofthesinners wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    Soundofthesinners wrote:
    5. Bond only rarely feeling "in danger" throughout the movie. Seriously, he runs roughshod over the villains with one brief exception.

    Strangely enough, this time is one of only three instances where Bond is actually shot- definitely one of his most vulnerable times! The other two are actually both from SkyFall!

    That would be the one time he feels vulnerable (or part of it: mainly the whole Fiona sequence), as fate would have it.

    Bond is vulnerable countless times in the series, from FRWL and GF to TB and OHMSS leading into the Dalton era, some of Brosnan and a lot in the Craig era. It isn't something rare.

    Excellent point, Brady! We tend to think of Bond as the "plainclothes superhero", especially in the Roger Moore era, but when you come down to it, he has some very human moments. One I can think of on the spur of the moment is in LTK when Sanchez has him at the point of his machete. If it weren't for Felix's wedding gift, Bond probably would have been a dead man!

    Bond owes a staggering debt to Q as well, whose gadgets have saved him countless times.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    The too much time underwater argument gets me all the time.
    I'm a sucker for that kind of stuff. Combined with Barry's precious score, it feels like I'm there. That, by itself, is enough to keep me engaged. I agree that the pacing is perhaps not at its best but then I've never been one for pacing issues. And even if I have them, it usually involves films that move too fast rather than too slow...
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I love the underwater bits too, @DarthDimi. To this day TB has the best underwater action I have seen, and Bond in general has had a great history of underwater action, like in FYEO in addition. It is a real hallmark of the series because of just how epic and well shot it is, all with a great Barry score building with it.

    A really cool thing about this bit of TB in particular is that I knew a kid in elementary/primary school who had a relative who was one of the extras in the fight at the end who gets harpooned (doesn't narrow it down, but still cool). The kid in question moved to California way before I became a teen, but I have always remembered that bit of trivia he told me.
  • 00130013
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    I'm a little late, but let me catch up:
    Best moments in GF:
    001 The golf game
    002 Bond meeting Dink and revealing himself to Goldfinger
    003 Bond driving in Switzerland
    004 Bond talking wiht Goldfinger and discovering his real plan
    005 Bond's tension when the bomb is about to explode

    Worst moments in TB:
    001 My usual complain: backprojection in Disco Volante and when Bond and Domino use the skyhook.
    002 Bond hitting Felix because he was about to say 007 and the he actually says it in front of Largo's henchman.
    And that's it... Really can't find anything more in this beautiful piece.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 23,586
    LIST 1: The 007 most intelligent Bond girls
    LIST 2: Your 007 favourite OT sequences by Maurice Binder
    LIST 3: Your 007 most annoying moments in a Bond film
    LIST 4: Rank the Aston Martin cars from the Bonds
    LIST 5: 007's 007 coolest moments
    LIST 6: Rank the non-Barry/Arnold scores
    LIST 7: Your 007 most sexy moments in the Bonds
    LIST 8: The 6 best moments of Bond in London
    LIST 9: The 007 best uses of the Bond Theme
    LIST 10: The 5 worst faces made by the Bonds
    LIST 11: Your top 10 PTS
    LIST 12: The 6 best scenes in OHMSS
    LIST 13: David Arnold's 6 finest moments in the Bonds
    LIST 14: The five nicest folks who ever played a part in a Bond film.
    LIST 15: Ranking the Glen directed Bonds.
    LIST 16: Rank the Blofelds (including NSNA and FYEO)
    LIST 17: The 5 worst moments in DN.
    LIST 18: The 5 best moments in DN.
    LIST 19: The 5 worst moments in FRWL.
    LIST 20: The 5 best moments in FRWL.
    LIST 21: The 5 worst moments in GF.
    LIST 22: The 5 best moments in GF.
    LIST 23: The 5 worst moments in TB.

    <font color=orange size=5><b>LIST 24</b></font>

    <font color=green size=6> <b>The 5 best moments in TB.</b></font>
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    5 - Bond does Fiona and we get to peak through the 'cage'. "Mister BondJamesBond."

    4 - The extremely kinetic final fight aboard the Disco.

    3 - The underwater scenery. Sorry folks, I love this stuff.

    2 - Bond's nocturnal visit to Palmyra.

    1 - Bond and Pat get cosy in the sauna. Connery's magnetism is at its highest in this film. There's my Jimmy Bond... :-)

    and Barry's score everywhere. Love it!
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    5.) Bond vs. Bouvar

    4.) The climactic underwater fight, the best in cinema!

    3.) Bond arrives to play cards in his tux and teases Largo with his knowledge of the man's SPECTRE ties.

    2.) Bond manages to escape after getting shot during the parade and uses Fiona as a shield, killing her.

    1.) The meeting of the 00s! No words can describe how absolutely epic this scene feels, and the risk of Bond's mission becomes immediately evident and palpable like a punch to the face.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    5. Bond Sneaking around Largo's house at night and using his wits to escape when he's caught.

    4. The final fight on the Disco.

    3. Bond making Vargis get the point.

    2. PTS.

    1. John Barry's score.
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
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    5. PTS

    4. Underwater fight (the only truly necessary underwater scene)

    3. Bond and Fiona in the streets & the Kiss Kiss Club

    2. Meeting of the 00's

    1. Bond and Fiona in Bond's room (all of it)
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    1- the speeded up ending on the Disco Volante, which looks horrible bad. They should get some money and re-edit that part with decent CGI.

    2- I am not to sure about the jetpack in the PTS, it never did woo me at all.

    3- the henchwoman died not very spectacular, she was formidable and went out with a whimper.

    4- the final battle underwater was a tad too long (even if it was for its time brilliantly futuristic.

    5- Mr kiss kiss bang bang should have been included in the movie.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited May 2013 Posts: 12,459
    TB - dislikes: (note, this is not my favorite movie)

    1) The underwater fight went on too long and mainly because of that, it wasn't exciting or greatly interesting for me; and although I love Barry I did not like the music during the underwater shots (yeah, I'm one of those who don't really care for it)
    2) the back projection (I guess the best they could do at the time)
    3) the speeded up ending on the boat, which was ridiculous; and a shame because the fight was good
    4) the massage/traction machine (I thought it was silly)
    5) and I'll include SaintMark's comment about Fiona because her death was anticlimatic and could hve been better, yes

    LIKES:

    1) Sean's chemistry with every woman on this set, I mean film ;)
    2) PTS
    3) Fiona - a supremely great villainess (and especially the whole cage/bedroom scene)
    4) Barry's music overall
    5) Domino killing Largo and Bond's reaction
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    Thunderball's 5 Best:

    1. Bond's stealth mission to Palmyra in the dead of night
    2. Bond vs. Largo and company aboard an out-of-control Disco Volante
    3. Vargas "gets the point"
    4. Fiona and Largo discuss when to eliminate 007 while doing target practice
    5. Bond on the run from Fiona and company/The Kiss Kiss Club encounter
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
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    SaintMark wrote:
    1- the speeded up ending on the Disco Volante, which looks horrible bad. They should get some money and re-edit that part with decent CGI.

    How did I forget that? That really was terrible. Consider it an honorable mention.
  • 00Beast00Beast
    Posts: 4,762
    Soundofthesinners wrote:
    SaintMark wrote:
    1- the speeded up ending on the Disco Volante, which looks horrible bad. They should get some money and re-edit that part with decent CGI.

    How did I forget that? That really was terrible. Consider it an honorable mention.

    I agree, this always has made me groan in anguish! It's hilarious- there are so many instances throughout this scene where clearly the boat would have struck land and crashed or blown up!
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
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    00Beast wrote:
    Soundofthesinners wrote:
    SaintMark wrote:
    1- the speeded up ending on the Disco Volante, which looks horrible bad. They should get some money and re-edit that part with decent CGI.

    How did I forget that? That really was terrible. Consider it an honorable mention.

    I agree, this always has made me groan in anguish! It's hilarious- there are so many instances throughout this scene where clearly the boat would have struck land and crashed or blown up!

    It looks like it's traveling at warp speed, for goodness' sakes! And the fact that it's name now invariably reminds of Gloria Gaynor just makes it that much harder to take seriously.
  • 00130013
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    001 Bond meeting Volpe in the shower
    002 Bond vs Bouvar
    003 Bond vs Largo at baccarat
    004 Bond escaping in the Junkanoo
    005 MI6 meeting and hearing of Blofeld's message
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 23,586
    LIST 1: The 007 most intelligent Bond girls
    LIST 2: Your 007 favourite OT sequences by Maurice Binder
    LIST 3: Your 007 most annoying moments in a Bond film
    LIST 4: Rank the Aston Martin cars from the Bonds
    LIST 5: 007's 007 coolest moments
    LIST 6: Rank the non-Barry/Arnold scores
    LIST 7: Your 007 most sexy moments in the Bonds
    LIST 8: The 6 best moments of Bond in London
    LIST 9: The 007 best uses of the Bond Theme
    LIST 10: The 5 worst faces made by the Bonds
    LIST 11: Your top 10 PTS
    LIST 12: The 6 best scenes in OHMSS
    LIST 13: David Arnold's 6 finest moments in the Bonds
    LIST 14: The five nicest folks who ever played a part in a Bond film.
    LIST 15: Ranking the Glen directed Bonds.
    LIST 16: Rank the Blofelds (including NSNA and FYEO)
    LIST 17: The 5 worst moments in DN.
    LIST 18: The 5 best moments in DN.
    LIST 19: The 5 worst moments in FRWL.
    LIST 20: The 5 best moments in FRWL.
    LIST 21: The 5 worst moments in GF.
    LIST 22: The 5 best moments in GF.
    LIST 23: The 5 worst moments in TB.
    LIST 24: The 5 best moments in TB.

    <font color=orange size=5><b>LIST 25</b></font>

    <font color=green size=6> <b>The 5 worst moments in CR67.</b></font>
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 23,586
    5 - That entire toupee thing they had going in Scottland.

    4 - Sir James' morning chair exercise.

    3 - The army guy saluting himself unconscious.

    2 - Orson Welles' showing off against Peter Sellers. Sorry, I love both dudes but the scene is a travesty and I'm not the least bit amused.

    1 - The 'jokey' finale. Terrible!!!
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I'm happy to say I have never seen this.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,459
    Haven't seen it in ages ... let's see:

    3 - Yes, the morning chair exercises

    2 - Deborah Kerr coming across as a total buffoon (but one I cringed at, not really enjoyed), something I previously had not imagined possible

    1 - The entire "jokey" feel of this movie (I like a good satire or send-up, but this film left me flat)

    I can really think of only one plus, and that will come with the next list I assume ...
  • SJK91SJK91
    edited May 2013 Posts: 1,310
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    I'm happy to say I have never seen this.
    It is honestly worth a watch, Brady. I mean, it's bad, but it is worth a watch.

    And I'm going to hold out for the 5 worst moments of YOLT. That shouldn't take all too long to think of.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,333
    I haven't seen it in a while so I'll just say Everything. This movie is an insult to Ian Fleming and James Bond. this film should never have been made.
  • 00130013
    Posts: 1,817
    Neither do I and I have absolutely no interest on watching it. And, if I might add, I think it shouldn't even be discussed here, with all due respect @DarthDimi. I just felt that is a waste of time when we could be talking about the 23 real Bond movies.
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