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The Pierce Brosnan Era- Rankings

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  • 00Beast00Beast
    Posts: 4,762
    BAIN123 wrote:
    I'm probably being a bit harsh to be fair. I do like the BMW bit in that scene.

    Hahaha, "Q's not gonna like this!" I wish they had put more use into the BMW. The same thing happened in GoldenEye with the Z3. Whereas TND and DAD got exceptional use out of Bond's car including two of the best car chases in the series, GE and TWINE really got cheated out of their cars.
  • SirHenryLeeChaChingSirHenryLeeChaChing
    Posts: 3,494
    The best part of the caviar factory scene, which I found to be excellent in general, had to be Zukovsky at the end- "The insurance company is never going to believe this!". Coltrane was hilarious as Zukovsky, that line makes me laugh every time. I'm fairly sure I'm wrong to do so, but I still hold out hope that his character didn't die and can one day come back.
  • 00Beast00Beast
    Posts: 4,762
    SirHenryLeeChaChing wrote:
    The best part of the caviar factory scene, which I found to be excellent in general, had to be Zukovsky at the end- "The insurance company is never going to believe this!". Coltrane was hilarious as Zukovsky, that line makes me laugh every time. I'm fairly sure I'm wrong to do so, but I still hold out hope that his character didn't die and can one day come back.

    Despite the fact that I really love that action scene and the character of Zukovsky on the whole, I didn't like that line actually, hahaha. It always makes me cringe! One of his cheesier lines I've always thought.
  • SirHenryLeeChaChingSirHenryLeeChaChing
    Posts: 3,494
    I find it particularly funny because he says it right after he says that they at least have 3 good walls left amid the mayhem. It was the perfect line and timing and you have to understand that this would be the very first thing many business owners in the same situation would have thought. The theater was laughing very hard at this line. I can think of cheesier lines Zukovsky had to say.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited July 2012 Posts: 11,189
    I also liked the way Brosnan said to Zukovski's goon: "get lost...no no no no down the back" before pointing/shoving him in the right direction. That always makes me smile and was perfectly handeled by Pierce.

    In regard to 'laughs' one of the biggest I remember when watching Bond in the cinema was during the boat chase when the clampers got drenched. The audience went wild and started clapping.
  • HenryJonesVictorHenryJonesVictor
    edited November 2017 Posts: 236
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  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    Posts: 12,837
    Zukofsky is the best character of the Brosnan era apart from Bond.
  • SirHenryLeeChaChingSirHenryLeeChaChing
    Posts: 3,494
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    Zukofsky is the best character of the Brosnan era apart from Bond.

    I agree with that wholeheartedly.

  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
    Posts: 5,634
    No, he isn't..

    Entertaining every once in a while maybe, and he did feature quite prominently over his two appearances, but sometimes it's about quality not quantity and I would include the Kaufman character in it, as well as Trevelyan, Renard or even Graves in it. The Brosnan tenure was a poor time for characters if I think back, nothing that really stands out other than Bond himself, apart from a couple of instances where strange attributes were apparent. Brosnan started off very well, went on a deep descent two years later, picked himself up very well thereafter before finishing on another dour note, did one film too many as stated so many times..
  • ShorelineShoreline
    Posts: 251
    BAIN123 wrote:
    I also liked the way Brosnan said to Zukovski's goon: "get lost...no no no no down the back" before pointing/shoving him in the right direction. That always makes me smile and was perfectly handeled by Pierce.

    In regard to 'laughs' one of the biggest I remember when watching Bond in the cinema was during the boat chase when the clampers got drenched. The audience went wild and started clapping.

    Couldn`t agree more with you. Brosnan was so cool at times, and that is a fine example of one of his cool and collected moments.
    As for the cinema audience applauding.....this happened a lot whenever I saw the Brosnan films at the flicks! First CLASS entertainment with a good balance of humour.
    I kind of miss it.....

  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited July 2012 Posts: 11,189
    Shoreline wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    I also liked the way Brosnan said to Zukovski's goon: "get lost...no no no no down the back" before pointing/shoving him in the right direction. That always makes me smile and was perfectly handeled by Pierce.

    In regard to 'laughs' one of the biggest I remember when watching Bond in the cinema was during the boat chase when the clampers got drenched. The audience went wild and started clapping.

    Couldn`t agree more with you. Brosnan was so cool at times, and that is a fine example of one of his cool and collected moments.
    As for the cinema audience applauding.....this happened a lot whenever I saw the Brosnan films at the flicks! First CLASS entertainment with a good balance of humour.
    I kind of miss it.....

    Actually the other biggest laugh I remember was at the end of DAD during the VR scene.

    Gotta love the way Broz walks into the office
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    edited July 2012 Posts: 12,837
    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    No, he isn't..

    Entertaining every once in a while maybe, and he did feature quite prominently over his two appearances, but sometimes it's about quality not quantity and I would include the Kaufman character in it, as well as Trevelyan, Renard or even Graves in it. The Brosnan tenure was a poor time for characters if I think back, nothing that really stands out other than Bond himself, apart from a couple of instances where strange attributes were apparent. Brosnan started off very well, went on a deep descent two years later, picked himself up very well thereafter before finishing on another dour note, did one film too many as stated so many times..

    I love Trevelyan and Renard, great villians, Kaufman was in a great scene but I didn't really see enough of him, but every time Zukofsky is on screen I'm always entertained. He's the type of colourful supporting character the Craig era could use.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,028
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    No, he isn't..

    Entertaining every once in a while maybe, and he did feature quite prominently over his two appearances, but sometimes it's about quality not quantity and I would include the Kaufman character in it, as well as Trevelyan, Renard or even Graves in it. The Brosnan tenure was a poor time for characters if I think back, nothing that really stands out other than Bond himself, apart from a couple of instances where strange attributes were apparent. Brosnan started off very well, went on a deep descent two years later, picked himself up very well thereafter before finishing on another dour note, did one film too many as stated so many times..

    I love Trevelyan and Renard, great villians, Kaufman was in a great scene but I didn't really see enough of him, but every time Zukofsky is on screen I'm always entertained. He's the type of colourful supporting character the Craig era could use.

    I liked Zukovsky more in GE than TWINE, he was much more confrontational towards Bond and he had that 'bite' that supporting characters should have. In TWINE, he was much more mellow and friendly, which isn't as exciting, although he did give us some humour.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
    Posts: 5,634
    Coltrane's best work was as a Police psychologist in British drama series Cracker, seriously, it's far better than anything he did in Bond. The Zukovsky character, was full of life, loud, boisterous, if a little accident prone. It's a pity they killed him off in Istanbul, I would of liked to have seen him survive until end of year but maybe not another return, there would of been no place for him in Die Another Day for that matter. Other than Jiacinta Johnson, I feel Jake Wade was the most irritating character of the Brosnan tenure also. A bit too loud and abrasive I felt sometimes
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
    Posts: 4,421
    Movies
    1. The World Is Not Enough 9/10
    2. Tomorrow Never Dies 8.5/10
    3. GoldenEye 8/10
    4. Die Another Day 6.5/10

    Bond Performance
    1. Die Another Day - full of swagger, he nails it. Shame it was in this movie.
    2. The World Is Not Enough - a couple of melodramatic moments aside, this was a cool, lethal, elegant performance by the Brozz.
    3. Tomorrow Never Dies
    4. GoldenEye

    Main Villains
    1. Alec Trevelyan
    2. Elektra King
    3. Elliot Carver
    4. Gustav Graves

    Henchperson
    1. Xenia Ontatopp
    2. Kauffman
    3. Renard
    4. General Ourumov
    5. Miranda Frost

    Girls
    1. Natalya Simonova
    2. Wai Lin
    3. Christmas Jones
    4. Paris Carver – she’s so boring! What does Bond see in her? Still, at least she’s better than…
    5. Jinx

    Soundtracks
    1. Tomorrow Never Dies
    2. The World is not Enough
    3. Die Another Day
    4. GoldenEye

    Title Songs
    1. GoldenEye
    2. The World Is Not Enough
    3. Die Another Day
    4. Tomorrow Never Dies

    Pre-Title Sequences
    1. GoldenEye
    2. The World Is Not Enough
    3. Die Another Day
    4. Tomorrow Never Dies – all good though!
  • 00Beast00Beast
    Posts: 4,762
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Shoreline wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    I also liked the way Brosnan said to Zukovski's goon: "get lost...no no no no down the back" before pointing/shoving him in the right direction. That always makes me smile and was perfectly handeled by Pierce.

    In regard to 'laughs' one of the biggest I remember when watching Bond in the cinema was during the boat chase when the clampers got drenched. The audience went wild and started clapping.

    Couldn`t agree more with you. Brosnan was so cool at times, and that is a fine example of one of his cool and collected moments.
    As for the cinema audience applauding.....this happened a lot whenever I saw the Brosnan films at the flicks! First CLASS entertainment with a good balance of humour.
    I kind of miss it.....

    Actually the other biggest laugh I remember was at the end of DAD during the VR scene.

    Gotta love the way Broz walks into the office

    @BAIN123: In regards to the line to Zukovsky's goon and walking into the office at the end of DAD, YES! Two of his best super-cool moments for sure! Out of all the Bond actors, no one can pull of that kind of swagger like Brosnan can!

    @Shoreline: You're absolutely right, Brosnan has those epic cool moments where you just know he is 007! I found that anytime he pointed the P99 always meant that one of these "cool moments" was incoming! Good examples of this are what you and BAIN123 just mentioned with Zukovsky's goon, when he discovers Chang in his hotel room in DAD, when he confronts Bullion at the casino in TWINE, and of course that virtual reality office shoot-out in DAD. There's something about the P99 that increases his swagg level!
  • SirHenryLeeChaChingSirHenryLeeChaChing
    Posts: 3,494
    Sorry, but Connery had swagger Brosnan couldn't dream of :-q
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,028
    SirHenryLeeChaChing wrote:
    Sorry, but Connery had swagger Brosnan couldn't dream of :-q

    I do love Broz but I think you're very right in saying that. I don't think Sean will ever be topped in that department, it just came so naturally to him.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
    Posts: 4,421
    @SirHenry - Could anyone, though? ;-)
  • SirHenryLeeChaChingSirHenryLeeChaChing
    edited July 2012 Posts: 3,494
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote:
    SirHenryLeeChaChing wrote:
    Sorry, but Connery had swagger Brosnan couldn't dream of :-q

    I do love Broz but I think you're very right in saying that. I don't think Sean will ever be topped in that department, it just came so naturally to him.

    When you consider than Brosnan idolized and became a fan of Bond because of Connery and GF, that just reinforces it. Connery had an awful lot to do with the series becoming as iconic as it has been, it nearly didn't survive without him. No offense to Brosnan, but the series is doing great under Craig and making more money than ever, whereas in 1969 a series classic is released and all people could talk about is that Connery wasn't in it.
    royale65 wrote:
    @SirHenry - Could anyone, though? ;-)

    Very true. Give that man a ceegar. I'll bum one from Pierce :D
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited July 2012 Posts: 11,189
    SirHenryLeeChaChing wrote:
    Sorry, but Connery had swagger Brosnan couldn't dream of :-q

    I'm going to be mega controversial and say that the moment Bond locks up his car and walks to the hotel in TND rivals anything Connery did. When I re-watched that scene I immediately thought "Bond". In recent weeks I've replayed that scene over and over again.
  • 00Beast00Beast
    Posts: 4,762
    BAIN123 wrote:
    SirHenryLeeChaChing wrote:
    Sorry, but Connery had swagger Brosnan couldn't dream of :-q

    I'm going to be mega controversial and say that the moment Bond locks up his car and walks to the hotel in TND rivals anything Connery did. When I re-watched that scene I immediately thought "Bond". In recent weeks I've replayed that scene over and over again.

    Yes, just yes! The style of his walk into the hotel is incredibly 007.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited July 2012 Posts: 11,189
    00Beast wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    SirHenryLeeChaChing wrote:
    Sorry, but Connery had swagger Brosnan couldn't dream of :-q

    I'm going to be mega controversial and say that the moment Bond locks up his car and walks to the hotel in TND rivals anything Connery did. When I re-watched that scene I immediately thought "Bond". In recent weeks I've replayed that scene over and over again.

    Yes, just yes! The style of his walk into the hotel is incredibly 007.

    I'm not saying Brosnan is better than Connery but it's one of the moments where, like Connery before him, I can say that IS James Bond.

    A good example with his successor is when he's sitting on the train in CR and the waiter hands him the menu.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,028
    BAIN123 wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    SirHenryLeeChaChing wrote:
    Sorry, but Connery had swagger Brosnan couldn't dream of :-q

    I'm going to be mega controversial and say that the moment Bond locks up his car and walks to the hotel in TND rivals anything Connery did. When I re-watched that scene I immediately thought "Bond". In recent weeks I've replayed that scene over and over again.

    Yes, just yes! The style of his walk into the hotel is incredibly 007.

    I'm not saying Brosnan is better than Connery but it's one of the moments where, like Connery before him, I can say that IS James Bond.

    A good example with his successor is when he's sitting on the train in CR and the waiter hands him the menu.


    All the actors definitely had their moments of just flat out coolness. I think Connery had the highest quality scripts which put him in scenarios that capitalised on his ability to be extremely cool, something that any actor who followed did not have. I mean, Connery's first four are classics.

    But I agree with your examples. One other from Pierce in TND was just after he kills Kaufmann in the hotel room. That sequence where he scales the hotel as Stamper watches followed by the way he walk down the stairs towards the car park is extremely cool. Very confident air about him.


  • BAIN123BAIN123
    Posts: 11,189
    There's quite a few examples in each of his films. There was one bit in TND where, after fighting off Carver's thugs in the sound proof room he picks up an ash-tray and tests/taps it before smashing it over a goon's head.

    I also liked the moment in DAD when he walks back into the hotel lobby all suited and booted with a slight smile on his face. Some people say he "never made the role his own". There may be an element of truth to that but when I see those examples I mentioned above I DON'T think of Connery/Moore etc.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
    Posts: 5,634
    It's been mentioned before doubtless but one of my favorite Brosnan moments, was at the Cuban facility when some of Trevelyan's men are shooting at him, and he's fixing up an explosive device and it hits the structure by his head, and he just angles his head an inch and doesn't flinch, you know the scene in question, just sticks in the mind. Also the initial meeting with Scorupco after the chopper escape and before Mishkin and his interrogation, he asks her questions.. 'I work for the British Goverment, the more you tell me, the more I can help you' etc, really classic Bond sometimes, but still too many negatives for me over the entire tenure of 1995-2002. Good Bond, but not great is how best I can describe him, will never be anywhere near Connery or Dalton for me
  • Goldeneye95Goldeneye95
    edited February 2013 Posts: 546
    Bond films-

    1.Goldeneye
    2.The World is Not Enough
    3.Tomorrow Never Dies
    4.Die Another Day

    Performance Wise-

    1.Goldeneye
    2.The World is Not Enough
    3.Tomorrow Never Dies
    4.Die Another Day

    Best Soundtrack-

    1.Tomorrow Never Dies
    2.The World is Not Enough
    3.Goldeneye
    4.Die Another Day

    Best Bond villians-

    1.Alec Trevelyn/006
    2.Elliott Carver
    3.Gustav Graves
    4.Renard

    Best Henchmen-

    1.Mister Stamper
    2.Zoe
    3.General Arkady Ourumav
    4.Dr. Kauffman
    5.Boris Grishenko
    6.Defense Minister Mishkin
    7.Henry Grupta

    Best Bond Girls-

    1.Xenia Onatopp
    2.Electra King
    3.Miranda Frost
    4.Paris Carver
    5.Natalya Simonova
    6.Dr. Christmas Jones
    7.Jinx
    8.Wai Lin

    Best Pre-Title Sequence-

    1.Goldeneye
    2.The World is Not Enough
    3.Die Another Day
    4.Tomorrow Never Dies

    Best Opening Title Sequence-

    1.The World is Not Enough
    2.Die Another Day
    3.Goldeneye
    4.Tomorrow Never Dies
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
    Posts: 2,400
    Movies
    1. GoldenEye (#5)
    2. The World is Not Enough (#12)
    3. Tomorrow Never Dies (#19)
    4. Die Another Day (#23)

    Bond Performance
    1. TWINE
    2. DAD
    3. TND
    4. GoldenEye

    Main Villains
    1. Alec Trevelyan
    2. Elektra King
    3. Elliot Carver
    4. Gustav Graves

    Henchmen
    1. General Ourumov
    2. Xenia Onatopp
    3. Boris Grishenko
    4. Renard
    5. Miranda Frost
    6. Mr. Bullion
    7. Henry Gupta
    8. Zao
    9. Vlad
    10. Davidov
    11. Stamper
    12. Mr. Kil

    Girls
    1. Natalya Simonova
    2. Wai Lin
    3. Christmas Jones
    4. Paris Carver
    5. Jinx

    Soundtracks
    1. GoldenEye
    2. Tomorrow Never Dies
    3. The World is Not Enough
    4. Die Another Day

    Title Songs
    1. GoldenEye
    2. The World is Not Enough
    3. Tomorrow Never Dies
    4. Die Another Day

    Pre-Title Sequences
    1. GoldenEye
    2. The World is Not Enough
    3. Tomorrow Never Dies
    4. Die Another Day
  • MrBondMrBond Station S
    Posts: 2,044
    Movies
    1. GoldenEye (#11)
    2. Die Another Day (#15)
    3. Tomorrow Never Dies (#18)
    4. The World Is Not Enough (#22)

    Bond Performance
    1. TND
    2. DAD
    3. GE
    4. TWINE

    Main Villains
    1. Alec Trevelyan
    2. Elliot Carver
    3. Gustav Graves
    4. Elektra King

    Henchmen
    1. General Ourumov
    2. Xenia Onatopp
    3. Boris Grishenko
    4. Miranda Frost
    5. Mr. Bullion
    6. Renard
    7. Zao
    8. Henry Gupta
    9. Vlad
    10. Davidov
    11. Stamper
    12. Mr. Kil

    Girls
    1. Natalya Simonova
    2. Wai Lin
    3. Christmas Jones
    4. Paris Carver
    5. Jinx

    Soundtracks
    1. Tomorrow Never Dies
    2. Die Another Day
    3. The World is Not Enough
    4. Goldeneye

    Title Songs
    1. GoldenEye
    2. Tomorrow Never Dies
    3. The World Is Not Enough
    4. Die Another Day

    Pre-Title Sequences
    1. GoldenEye
    2. Die Another Day
    3. Tomorrow Never Dies
    4. The World Is Not Enough
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    edited December 2013 Posts: 3,236
    Movies
    1. GoldenEye (#5)
    2. Tomorrow Never Dies (#13)
    3. The World is Not Enough (#16)
    4. Die Another Day (#21)

    Bond Performance
    1. TND
    2. DAD
    3. TWINE
    4. GE

    Main Villains
    1. Alec Trevelyan
    2. Elektra King
    3. Elliot Carver
    4. Renard
    5. Gustav Graves

    Girls
    1. Natalya Simonova
    2. Wai Lin
    3. Paris Carver
    4. Christmas Jones
    5. Jinx

    Soundtracks
    1. Tomorrow Never Dies
    2. Die Another Day
    3. The World is Not Enough
    4. Goldeneye

    Title Songs
    1. GoldenEye
    2. The World Is Not Enough
    3. Tomorrow Never Dies
    4. Die Another Day

    Pre-Title Sequences
    1. GoldenEye
    2. Tomorrow Never Dies
    3. The World Is Not Enough
    4. Die Another Day

    All of Brosnan's PTS's are good.
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