The TIMOTHY DALTON Appreciation thread - Discuss His Life, His Career, His Bond Films

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  • Posts: 176
    [i]"Yet Dalton's portrait, just like Fleming's, was that of a man who is not finding his humanity, but losing it."[/i]

    Nicely summed up in 1 sentance.

    Well, that explains why I don't like Dalton's Bond. It also confirms my belief that I wouldn't necessarily like Fleming's either.

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    marymoss wrote:
    [i]"Yet Dalton's portrait, just like Fleming's, was that of a man who is not finding his humanity, but losing it."[/i]

    Nicely summed up in 1 sentance.

    Well, that explains why I don't like Dalton's Bond. It also confirms my belief that I wouldn't necessarily like Fleming's either.

    So "whose" Bond do you like? Genuine question here.
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    Whose Bond do I like? Well, my favorite is a toss-up between Connery and Moore. Connery because he has that mix of being a bada** fighter and he's suave and cool. Moore because he's charming and deboniare.

    I find Craig's Bond interesting but in terms of personality, I like Brosnan's a lot better.

    Dalton I could get used to but it's like Craig--I liked the other versions better. However, I will say I liked Dalton a lot more in LTK than I did in TLD. He was insufferable for large parts that movie.
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    Ah... see, my boyfriend thinks just like you. He actually prefers Brosnan to Craig in terms of personality (and prefers Brosnan to Dalton for that matter as well). I appreciate differing POVs on this and respect them. After all, with so many different interpretations we are all bound to favor some over others. Personally I loved Dalton in both films, equally.
  • edited November 2012 Posts: 12,225
    marymoss wrote:
    Well, that explains why I don't like Dalton's Bond.

    Then what are you doing here on an appreciation thread for Daltons Bond? :-?

    You know you like him really ;)
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Regan wrote:
    Ah... see, my boyfriend thinks just like you. He actually prefers Brosnan to Craig in terms of personality (and prefers Brosnan to Dalton for that matter as well). I appreciate differing POVs on this and respect them. After all, with so many different interpretations we are all bound to favor some over others. Personally I loved Dalton in both films, equally.
    Yeah, Dalton's my favourite BECAUSE his Bond is so messed up & on the edge, it's a more interesting character that way for me, but I also like Brosnan's good guy hero Bond as well at other times... a Bond for every mood!
  • edited November 2012 Posts: 11,169
    Regan wrote:
    GQ.COM

    Timothy Dalton: the Best.Bond.Ever
    http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/entertainment/articles/2012-11/08/timothy-dalton-the-best-james-bond-007

    Can somebody tell why I am grinning so wide right now?

    @BAIN123 Only posh papers praise Dalton eh? ;)

    Good article but I still think at times he could be quite theatrical about it - especially in LTK.

    Sorry but I'm not convinced the "TAKE ME TO HIM" moment in the casino (I have a problem with that scene it seems!) was a reflection of how someone would actually talk in that situation - even if they were angry and "on the edge". It's too premiditated (I'm not going to let the Brozza off either who was also guilty of theatrics at times).

    Craig's Bond wasn't as intense as Dalts in the opening sequence of CR and even then Dryden accused him of theatrics ;)

    Although the piece rightly points out the Pushkin interriogation, which IMO is probably Dalton's best scene as Bond. Dalts did very well there.
  • Posts: 59
    watched TLD today, havent watched it in awhile, and it blew me away!!! THAT's the finest debut of any Bond actor - CR may be the stronger FILM but Craig cant match how awesome (and accurate) Dalton is in that movie...

    And is the scene where it looks like Dalton is going to execute a kneeling John Rhys Davies THE tensest in ANY Bond movie???
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    chrisM wrote:
    watched TLD today, havent watched it in awhile, and it blew me away!!! THAT's the finest debut of any Bond actor - CR may be the stronger FILM but Craig cant match how awesome (and accurate) Dalton is in that movie...

    And is the scene where it looks like Dalton is going to execute a kneeling John Rhys Davies THE tensest in ANY Bond movie???

    I like Dalton in the opening of TLD but Craig is outstanding in the opening of CR.
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    chrisM wrote:
    watched TLD today, havent watched it in awhile, and it blew me away!!! THAT's the finest debut of any Bond actor - CR may be the stronger FILM but Craig cant match how awesome (and accurate) Dalton is in that movie...

    And is the scene where it looks like Dalton is going to execute a kneeling John Rhys Davies THE tensest in ANY Bond movie???

    I like Dalton in the opening of TLD but Craig is outstanding in the opening of CR.

    IMHO they are both excellent PTS's but for completely different reasons. Stylistically they couldn't be more different.
  • CRs PTS isn't that good imo. The fight was good but Craig mumbles, I don't like the gunbarrel, it's short, not very exciting and the black and white makes it feel a bit depressing.

    TLDs PTS is like GF, it's sort of a little Bond film, it has all the classic Bond elements. We get a great gunbarrel, it's exciting, the fight on the truck is a great stunt, and then the bit at the end with the bikini babe is classic Bond.
  • edited November 2012 Posts: 11,169
    The PTS in TLD is very good but I think the PTS of CR is genuinely unique and something we hadn't seen before. It's shot entirely differently for one thing and the violent tone really takes you by suprise.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Hey- a thought just occurred to me (that happens sometimes); can LTK sort of be seen as Bond's last adventure in the 00 sense? The way he retched at the end... symbolic of purging himself of that world of violence? And Pam- certainly the type he'd someday end up with IMO... :-?
  • acoppolaacoppola London Ealing not far from where Bob Simmons lived
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    chrisM wrote:
    watched TLD today, havent watched it in awhile, and it blew me away!!! THAT's the finest debut of any Bond actor - CR may be the stronger FILM but Craig cant match how awesome (and accurate) Dalton is in that movie...

    And is the scene where it looks like Dalton is going to execute a kneeling John Rhys Davies THE tensest in ANY Bond movie???

    I like Dalton in the opening of TLD but Craig is outstanding in the opening of CR.

    The opening in CR did not blow me away like TLD. To me it felt like an action scene from another movie. Yes, the crane jumping was impressive, but even the SPWLM was better and more wow!

    The best part of the opening in CR was actually the scene in the office where Craig is sitting in the corner quietly waiting for the man to come into his office.

    CR is a fine movie, but a massive departure in terms of tone and style. Some love it and some just like it. It will never be my favourite Bond and I actually prefer Goldeneye by a wide margin. Brosnan was fantastic in that! The opening to Goldeneye I preferred a lot more. That dam jump was so out there!

  • acoppolaacoppola London Ealing not far from where Bob Simmons lived
    edited November 2012 Posts: 1,243
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Regan wrote:
    GQ.COM

    Timothy Dalton: the Best.Bond.Ever
    http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/entertainment/articles/2012-11/08/timothy-dalton-the-best-james-bond-007

    Can somebody tell why I am grinning so wide right now?

    @BAIN123 Only posh papers praise Dalton eh? ;)

    Good article but I still think at times he could be quite theatrical about it - especially in LTK.

    Sorry but I'm not convinced the "TAKE ME TO HIM" moment in the casino (I have a problem with that scene it seems!) was a reflection of how someone would actually talk in that situation - even if they were angry and "on the edge". It's too premiditated (I'm not going to let the Brozza off either who was also guilty of theatrics at times).

    Craig's Bond wasn't as intense as Dalts in the opening sequence of CR and even then Dryden accused him of theatrics ;)

    Although the piece rightly points out the Pushkin interriogation, which IMO is probably Dalton's best scene as Bond. Dalts did very well there.

    As an overall performance, Dalton was brilliant in LTK. He shows how dominant Bond can be and how he takes no sh*t. The scene with Lupe shows to an extent Bond's mysoginy. He does not even ask her but tells her. And his body language is threatening. Bond is taking full advantage of the man's world and rules. And in that film, that is how Isthmus is referred to.

    In LTK we are shown a wide range of emotions which Bond has and the books clearly show.He is not this perfect at all times character. That is Austin Powers!:)

    What makes Dalton so great is that once he is in Tuxedo mode, he becomes an almost different person like when Batman puts on the Batsuit. Dalton's Bond is very psychological and you see his human flaws like you would in anyone.

    The Bond I have no time for, is the one where he does not change despite what happens to him in the movie. I hope those days are behind us.

    Dalton is a fine actor and invested a lot of effort in his films. Cubby was impressed and he was a man who knew Bond's creator Ian Fleming.

  • edited November 2012 Posts: 11,169
    acoppola wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    chrisM wrote:
    watched TLD today, havent watched it in awhile, and it blew me away!!! THAT's the finest debut of any Bond actor - CR may be the stronger FILM but Craig cant match how awesome (and accurate) Dalton is in that movie...

    And is the scene where it looks like Dalton is going to execute a kneeling John Rhys Davies THE tensest in ANY Bond movie???

    I like Dalton in the opening of TLD but Craig is outstanding in the opening of CR.

    The opening in CR did not blow me away like TLD. To me it felt like an action scene from another movie. Yes, the crane jumping was impressive, but even the SPWLM was better and more wow!

    The best part of the opening in CR was actually the scene in the office where Craig is sitting in the corner quietly waiting for the man to come into his office.

    CR is a fine movie, but a massive departure in terms of tone and style. Some love it and some just like it. It will never be my favourite Bond and I actually prefer Goldeneye by a wide margin. Brosnan was fantastic in that! The opening to Goldeneye I preferred a lot more. That dam jump was so out there!

    Yeeahhh it was :D Love how the stuntman gets his gun out as he's gliding downwards.

    I do really like the LD PTS though - even if the final 30 seconds is highly unlikely. Then again so is the final minute of the GE PTS.
  • edited November 2012 Posts: 11,169
    acoppola wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Regan wrote:
    GQ.COM

    Timothy Dalton: the Best.Bond.Ever
    http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/entertainment/articles/2012-11/08/timothy-dalton-the-best-james-bond-007

    Can somebody tell why I am grinning so wide right now?

    @BAIN123 Only posh papers praise Dalton eh? ;)

    Good article but I still think at times he could be quite theatrical about it - especially in LTK.

    Sorry but I'm not convinced the "TAKE ME TO HIM" moment in the casino (I have a problem with that scene it seems!) was a reflection of how someone would actually talk in that situation - even if they were angry and "on the edge". It's too premiditated (I'm not going to let the Brozza off either who was also guilty of theatrics at times).

    Craig's Bond wasn't as intense as Dalts in the opening sequence of CR and even then Dryden accused him of theatrics ;)

    Although the piece rightly points out the Pushkin interriogation, which IMO is probably Dalton's best scene as Bond. Dalts did very well there.

    As an overall performance, Dalton was brilliant in LTK. He shows how dominant Bond can be and how he takes no sh*t. The scene with Lupe shows to an extent Bond's mysoginy. He does not even ask her but tells her. And his body language is threatening. Bond is taking full advantage of the man's world and rules. And in that film, that is how Isthmus is referred to.

    In LTK we are shown a wide range of emotions which Bond has and the books clearly show.He is not this perfect at all times character. That is Austin Powers!:)

    What makes Dalton so great is that once he is in Tuxedo mode, he becomes an almost different person like when Batman puts on the Batsuit. Dalton's Bond is very psychological and you see his human flaws like you would in anyone.

    The Bond I have no time for, is the one where he does not change despite what happens to him in the movie. I hope those days are behind us.

    Dalton is a fine actor and invested a lot of effort in his films. Cubby was impressed and he was a man who knew Bond's creator Ian Fleming.

    I'm not convinced and I'm not scared in that scene. I don't like the way he dramatically cuts infront of Lupe - it just doesn't feel right. Dalts was better and far more threatening in the "make a sound...and you're dead" sequence.
  • acoppolaacoppola London Ealing not far from where Bob Simmons lived
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    acoppola wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    chrisM wrote:
    watched TLD today, havent watched it in awhile, and it blew me away!!! THAT's the finest debut of any Bond actor - CR may be the stronger FILM but Craig cant match how awesome (and accurate) Dalton is in that movie...

    And is the scene where it looks like Dalton is going to execute a kneeling John Rhys Davies THE tensest in ANY Bond movie???

    I like Dalton in the opening of TLD but Craig is outstanding in the opening of CR.

    The opening in CR did not blow me away like TLD. To me it felt like an action scene from another movie. Yes, the crane jumping was impressive, but even the SPWLM was better and more wow!

    The best part of the opening in CR was actually the scene in the office where Craig is sitting in the corner quietly waiting for the man to come into his office.

    CR is a fine movie, but a massive departure in terms of tone and style. Some love it and some just like it. It will never be my favourite Bond and I actually prefer Goldeneye by a wide margin. Brosnan was fantastic in that! The opening to Goldeneye I preferred a lot more. That dam jump was so out there!

    Yeeahhh it was :D Love how the stuntman gets his gun out as he's gliding downwards.

    I do really like the LD PTS though - even if the final 30 seconds is highly unlikely. Then again so is the final minute of the GE PTS.

    Goldeneye to me is a better Bond film than Casino. They got a nice balance between gritty and the fantastical. But there was some oustanding dialogue in that film like where R. And Brosnan plays the mean Bond when he has to be very well. I actually wish they kept him that way and not try to make him lighter in his later movies.

  • edited November 2012 Posts: 11,169
    I was watching a bit of DAD the other day and I like Brozza's "I'm fed up and I just want to get on with it" attitude.

    "lets get down to business"
    "maybe its time you let me get on with my job"
  • acoppolaacoppola London Ealing not far from where Bob Simmons lived
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    acoppola wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Regan wrote:
    GQ.COM

    Timothy Dalton: the Best.Bond.Ever
    http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/entertainment/articles/2012-11/08/timothy-dalton-the-best-james-bond-007

    Can somebody tell why I am grinning so wide right now?

    @BAIN123 Only posh papers praise Dalton eh? ;)

    Good article but I still think at times he could be quite theatrical about it - especially in LTK.

    Sorry but I'm not convinced the "TAKE ME TO HIM" moment in the casino (I have a problem with that scene it seems!) was a reflection of how someone would actually talk in that situation - even if they were angry and "on the edge". It's too premiditated (I'm not going to let the Brozza off either who was also guilty of theatrics at times).

    Craig's Bond wasn't as intense as Dalts in the opening sequence of CR and even then Dryden accused him of theatrics ;)

    Although the piece rightly points out the Pushkin interriogation, which IMO is probably Dalton's best scene as Bond. Dalts did very well there.

    As an overall performance, Dalton was brilliant in LTK. He shows how dominant Bond can be and how he takes no sh*t. The scene with Lupe shows to an extent Bond's mysoginy. He does not even ask her but tells her. And his body language is threatening. Bond is taking full advantage of the man's world and rules. And in that film, that is how Isthmus is referred to.

    In LTK we are shown a wide range of emotions which Bond has and the books clearly show.He is not this perfect at all times character. That is Austin Powers!:)

    What makes Dalton so great is that once he is in Tuxedo mode, he becomes an almost different person like when Batman puts on the Batsuit. Dalton's Bond is very psychological and you see his human flaws like you would in anyone.

    The Bond I have no time for, is the one where he does not change despite what happens to him in the movie. I hope those days are behind us.

    Dalton is a fine actor and invested a lot of effort in his films. Cubby was impressed and he was a man who knew Bond's creator Ian Fleming.

    I'm not convinced and I'm not scared in that scene. Dalts was better and far more threatening in the "make a sound...and you're dead" sequence

    Oh that is a great scene.Another example of the misogyny Fleming refers to in his novels. Not that it is a good thing, but that is who Bond is. He can be a nasty character.

    I think in the casino scene, Bond's emotions are getting to him and it is in the subtext. He wants to badly meet Sanchez and is willing to do anything.

    Hey, the scene before Bond goes in to Sanchez's office. His men are checking if he is armed and just look at Dalton's body language as well as the look he gives one of the henchmen. Here you see how much balls Bond has and too bad some miss those moments because they are vital to who this character is and why we admire him.

  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    acoppola wrote:
    Goldeneye to me is a better Bond film than Casino.
    For my part, I'd agree. CR had a lot of awkward stuff to it- GE was a smooth & straight story without all the unnecessary retooling. And Brosnan was great in it.

  • acoppolaacoppola London Ealing not far from where Bob Simmons lived
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    I was watching a bit of DAD the other day and I like Brozza's "I'm fed up and I just want to get on with it" attitude.

    Brosnan signed his Bond contract death warrant with DAD. He made Roger Moore's ranking shoot up dramatically after that film. No joke, but LALD was my oxygen mask after the bad odour that was DAD.

    DAD starts out dead serious with the torture scene and then it is all thrown away and becomes an Austin Powers meets XXX movie. Vin Diesel could have played in that film.
    It is Eon's biggest failure and almost sunk the franchise. So much for those who thought Dalton would sink it.

  • edited November 2012 Posts: 11,169
    chrisisall wrote:
    acoppola wrote:
    Goldeneye to me is a better Bond film than Casino.
    For my part, I'd agree. CR had a lot of awkward stuff to it- GE was a smooth & straight story without all the unnecessary retooling. And Brosnan was great in it.

    Royale is more tightly directed than GE...and it looks better. I think it will probably age a bit better too.

    Although I do love GE.
  • acoppolaacoppola London Ealing not far from where Bob Simmons lived
    edited November 2012 Posts: 1,243
    chrisisall wrote:
    acoppola wrote:
    Goldeneye to me is a better Bond film than Casino.
    For my part, I'd agree. CR had a lot of awkward stuff to it- GE was a smooth & straight story without all the unnecessary retooling. And Brosnan was great in it.

    CR is over-hyped and Sony was desperate for it to succeed. The reboot was a half measure because they did not go all the way.They still clung to the F'ing past which was weak. Nolan did not when he did Batman. He was totally from scratch and it worked better. The Aston DB5 is a dumb addition and an Austin Powers moment in a dead serious film. Bond may as well have said : "Yeah Baby!":)

    And Eva Green was underused. She is like a Diana Rigg and if she is the reason why Bond becomes who he is, then I wanted to see something that solidifies that for me. They become close after the fight with the two men on the stairs. But the beach scene does little to make me believe they are madly in love or the hospital scene after his torture.

    Oh and the over modernised gunbarrel looked like it was trying to appeal to a younger audience. Fair enough, but for that reason, Goldenye at least feels like a complete Bond film and one of the best in the franchise.

    Brosnan was suave and charming as well as sophisticated in that one.

  • acoppolaacoppola London Ealing not far from where Bob Simmons lived
    edited November 2012 Posts: 1,243
    BAIN123 wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    acoppola wrote:
    Goldeneye to me is a better Bond film than Casino.
    For my part, I'd agree. CR had a lot of awkward stuff to it- GE was a smooth & straight story without all the unnecessary retooling. And Brosnan was great in it.

    Royale is more tightly directed than GE...and it looks better. I think it will probably age a bit better too.

    Although I do love GE.

    Perhaps, but in parts it feels like I am watching a Hannibal Lecter movie in terms of atmposphere. They are tightly directed too. It has this oppressive atmosphere and does not feel like a Bond movie. The new Batman films are the same. I preferred the Tim Burton ones by far.

  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited November 2012 Posts: 16,042
    acoppola wrote:
    I preferred the Tim Burton ones by far.
    Hey- me too- BOTH of them!
  • acoppolaacoppola London Ealing not far from where Bob Simmons lived
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    chrisisall wrote:
    acoppola wrote:
    I preferred the Tim Burton ones by far.
    Hey- me too- BOTH of them!

    I am not a fan of the new Batman despite the media forced hype. Batman at best is a surreal character and when you try to make him like he actually exists in the real world, it becomes ridiculous.

    Tim Burton set his films in an almost alternate world where it still had a gritty but comic book appearance. Gotham is an alternate New York. And Michael Keaton to me was the best Batman. And don't get me started on the garbage truck look of the batmobile.

    Batman should always have a car that is cool. He did in the comics and just like Bond, he would not look good driving a skip.

    Burton used the Batman universe as metaphors. Like fairy tales that are grounded in psychological truths.

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    Timothy Dalton, the best James Bond?http://fandangogroovers.wordpress.com/2012/11/07/timothy-dalton-the-best-james-bond/

    I especially like this:

    "And now the Zenith of what Dalton started, Skyfall (2012) has taken Bond further from Roger Moore and Pierce Brosnan than many thought possible. He may have taken it too far to be recognisable as a Bond, but it is proving popular with fans (including me), audiences and critics. Don’t expect the ever humble Dalton to take any credit where Bond is today, but I don’t think he would have got to this point without the new direction he took the character in 1987."
  • acoppolaacoppola London Ealing not far from where Bob Simmons lived
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    Regan wrote:
    Timothy Dalton, the best James Bond?http://fandangogroovers.wordpress.com/2012/11/07/timothy-dalton-the-best-james-bond/

    I especially like this:

    "And now the Zenith of what Dalton started, Skyfall (2012) has taken Bond further from Roger Moore and Pierce Brosnan than many thought possible. He may have taken it too far to be recognisable as a Bond, but it is proving popular with fans (including me), audiences and critics. Don’t expect the ever humble Dalton to take any credit where Bond is today, but I don’t think he would have got to this point without the new direction he took the character in 1987."

    Super @Regan I do think Dalton is too humble and has survived the storm of ignorance against him. His films hold up well and have that nostalgia factor. And like a fine Scotch whisky, they aged well!

    I know that Dalton is close to the Broccoli family and Barbara is very fond of him.They have been seen socialising and I assume she would have asked Tim about what he thought of the idea of casting Daniel. Because Dalton was the first actor to publicly support him during the media backlash.

  • acoppolaacoppola London Ealing not far from where Bob Simmons lived
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    Another Dalton interview where he talks about Bond and how long it lasted as well as Skyfall. http://www.examiner.com/article/007-q-a-timothy-dalton-talks-bond-at-50-makes-prediction-for-skyfall

    Dalton is so supportive of the franchise and a great ambassador. No wonder Cubby and Dana were so fond of him. Dalton is a very loyal individual and does not suffer from jealousy.
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