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Was Tim Dalton ahead of his time?
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It's just a case of timing sadly as i did enjoy TD's tenure as Bond
Dalton is the best bond ever.
Speak for yourself.
This fan thought he was a breath of fresh air.
After he went, the films went backwards. For a time.
LTK was a step in the wrong direction. Its a decent thriller but a misguided attempt to exploit Bond's vengeful side. I suspect its luke-warm reception contributed to the fairly muted response Dalton had.
LTK is pure Bond, just not in the way we would expect.
Well TLD and LTK are 2 of the 3 least grossing and least attended films in the franchise.
I was about 8 when LTK came out but on the internet it says that LTK got positive reviews at the time. It might not have made as much money as other bond films but people who saw it enjoyed it. Plus, dalton had tough competition during his era. TLD was up against die hard. And I really enjoy LTK, its my fave bond film.
I like LTK but theres something about it that just seemed a bit off. It's like its trying really hard to be really violent, dark and gritty but at the same time loses its sense of fantasy.
That's not exactly a sure fire sign of quality though. Just look at DAD, CR and/or QOS.
That's not exactly a sure fire sign of quality though. Just look at DAD, CR and/or QOS.[/quote]
That is a genuinely decent film though made by someone who knew what he was doing.
I'll give you these 2 but CR was pretty good
That is a genuinely decent film though made by someone who knew what he was doing. [/quote]
That's a matter of opinion. Personally, I would rather less financially sound Bonds that take the series in a new direction, over Box Office hits that don't really bring anything new to the series. Though I would've been interested in a Dalton/Campbell Bond.
But both have a good reputation and legacy with fans while some of the big box office grossers have shit that seriously stinks.
I really think, that is the reason above all else. From what I remember, I wasn't attracted to him at all and together with the darker approach, that didn't go down well. I could imagine, that I am not alone with that.
It's good to have woman on here @Germanlady. I've spoken to very few women about Dalton but the ones I have spoken to (each old enough to remember) didn't look upon him too fondly. Shame because he certainly has a striking presence and one of the coolest vioces.
I think its just his style that didn't gel. He just wasn't "fun" enough. Ive grown to like Dalton's 007 more over the years but I think he's more enjoyable and more engaging in films like Hot Fuzz where he's loosened up. I remember @thelordflasheart saying women who met him in real life were amazed that he had a real "cheeky charm" about him and wish they'd seen more of that during his run as Bond.
I'd shake the man's hand if ever I met him. His two films still hold up very well.
my comment wasn't meant as a knock on his 2 films - because i love them both, and TLD is one of my personal favorites... both films are excellent, and were very under-appreciated in their time by the majority of the movie going public.... that is the point i was trying to make.....
over time, those films have rightfully found their place.
Would it? After AVTAK? I'm not so sure.
I think the question is whether people can envision Dalton working now. Two things I think Craig has over Dalts are 1. a raw, brutal quality and 2. A SLIGHTLY better way with humour. Both these things are more appealing to audiences - especially women.
I do not think he was the 007 the general audiences wanted and you know that the customer is right in the end since he/she/they pay the bills.
Did you read any of the books? It seems that people who read the books liked him more or at least appreciated what he wanted to do.
LTK is pure Bond, just not in the way we would expect
I'm not sure about that. I enjoy the film but there's just something off about it. It's dirtier but in a more generic manner. The plot is simply "Bond's mad and he's going to get even". Replace Bond with a man working with Felix in the CIA and the film wouldn't be that much different. It lacks a "quirkiness".
At least when Bond was seeking revenge in the YOLT book he was in an OTT setting.
Do read the occasional one, have them all in two languages (Dutch & English).
Still never saw or see Dalton as 007, when I read the books I see SC's face mostly.
You guys are so right. I really wish Dalton had done GE. He would be better appreciated today. I always liked him and I rank his two films as top notch.