A Study in Sherlock (with SPOILERS) - the stories (and celebrating Sir Arthur Conan Doyle)

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  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited March 2014 Posts: 12,459
    Oh, well done, dear chap!
    Congratulations, @ggl007! =D>

    I have not counted the veils in the stories; I just might try to do that sometime. :-B
    I think you are right - after all it was Victorian England.

    I am really looking forward to delving into this one. Holmes ...
    ... breaks the law! And gets engaged! And does not turn the bad guy in or take a role in his demise!
    Such fun! It is one of my favorites.

    Off to feed my Hound (actually, we have 4, but one is mine) soon.

    Tally ho, everyone!

  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
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    Thanks, friends.

    The funny thing is that I read CHAS... last week! :-O :))
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited March 2014 Posts: 12,459
    So perfect timing, eh?

    It was fate. Something Holmes may, or may not, believe in.
    But I do. :)>-
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    Great to hear that @ggl007! I don't believe in coincidences, it was meant to be. Would you like to say some keywords (4-5?) that, for you, describe this story? Like a flash review. Of course, if you would like to make an actual review I'm sure we would all appreciate it.
  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
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    Thanks for the offer, @Sandy.

    Not much time here (or not much good-English :-?? :-)) ), anyway just a few words:

    It's not my favourite story, but it has very interesting points. Some of them have been mentioned:
    - Very interesting that we know who the villain is since the beginning, just like Moriarty;
    - Holmes breaking the law and his funny final dialogue with Lestrade;
    - Holmes and his only "real" girlfriend and how he treats her;
    - and, of course, Holmes DID NOT kill anybody, like someone we all know [-X :D
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    Thanks for the short-review @ggl007!

    As for your comments
    Holmes breaking the law is a quite common event, I always get the feeling that he enjoys it.
    I always found the girlfriend/fiancée story interesting, since he takes it so naturally fooling a woman to gain access to information and to a house.
    True, Holmes did not kill anybody (in this story). Still it has been a running joke for many years that Holmes or Watson did kill him and then Watson hid the fact with the story about the veiled woman. I think the writers of Sherlock took advantage of that joke just like they've done with other ideas and surely they will use them again in the future.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited March 2014 Posts: 12,459
    Ah, @ggl007, I think you are spot on!
    I so agree with your main points. I also think
    it is interesting, for me anyway, to hear Holmes say that Milverton was more revolting to him than murderers.

    This is a meaty little story and we shall dive in shortly with our detailed reviews. I appreciate your quick synopsis and thoughts on it, ggl007. Would anyone else out there, who enjoys their Holmes stories by Doyle, like to give us a few words as to their feelings about this fine short story?

    I am going to give a few descriptive words of my own, but a full review will come in a few days. I found The Adventure of Charles Augustus Milverton to be:

    * intriguing - Holmes is in a different kind of situation and brings Watson with him; uncharted territory for them, as it were
    * amusing in unusual ways
    * morally interesting
    * has a great villain!

    If you have read the story, would you like to post a few descriptive words? Quicker than a review, and we welcome your thoughts and comments (your lengthier reviews are indeed welcome, too).

    Thanks, Holmesian comrades!

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  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    I think this is of interest to those who enjoy Arthur Conan Doyle's work. His house, Undershaw, where he wrote so many of his works, was under risk of being destryed. The Undershaw Preservation Trust has been fighting to save the estate. That objective appears to have been achieved. The house will be transformed into a school:
    http://www.dfnfoundation.org/education.html
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited March 2014 Posts: 12,459
    That is great news, @Sandy! I am so glad they saved Doyle's house. I also think he would be pleased that it will be used as a school. One more place I want to visit when I get to England next trip (in about 3 years, I think).

    Indeed not just a regular school either, it is one for kids with medical conditions. Being a doctor, I think that is especially fitting that Doyle's former home be used to help those children.
    Here are two quotes from the website about Stepping Stones school (the underline is mine, though):
    The school, having first established itself as a first class provider of care and education for young people with hemiplegia, now makes provision for children on the autistic spectrum, for those with acute or chronic medical conditions, with a range of physical disabilities and those youngsters whose mental and/or emotional health is at risk.
    Doyle specifically commissioned the construction of the property to cater to the medical needs of his wife. The house was built to fully benefit from the south-facing aspect of the site, and, once restored, this will provide a spacious, bright and cheerful environment for the children to continue onto the next stages of their education and development.

    The brief videoclip on the website is nice to see.

    Plus I'll have to take a Sherlock Holmes tour of London again. I visited ages ago, 1996, and had a wonderfully entertaining tour with a great guide. There is so much history in England and the UK that really interests me.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited May 2014 Posts: 12,459
    SPOILERS are not blocked out in this post ...

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    Dear Sherlockian comrades ~
    Ahhh, I know that fans of the BBC series Sherlock will be right in the mood for this story ... it is timely, isn't it? I read the Doyle story originally decades ago, I have often seen and enjoyed the traditional telling of the story with Jeremy Brett and Robert Hardy, and now I truly love this story as portrayed by Benedict Cumberbatch and Lars Mikkelsen. It is of course The Adventure of Charles Augustus Milverton.

    What is so sublime about this particular story? It is different. No blustering adventure, no boat race on the Thames, spectral hounds, or blow darts here. The evil lurks underneath the facade of the whole city. And as @ggl007 pointed out earlier, the mystery is not who the villain is. We know. We go along on this adventure knowing who it is. But how to trap him?! There is the rub. It is not a typical murderer, not a typical criminal of the kind that Holmes usually deals with. I think this Holmes adventure positively reeks with the following: deception, deceit, cunning, evil, mental torture, callousness, the unbending rigidity of society's culture during Victorian times ~ along with surprises and some unusually amusing moments, and yet it is haunting as it builds ...

    Like a boa constrictor quietly sneaking up on someone and squeezing, just continually applying pressure to the point where it crushes and kills its victim. The snake does not roar and viciously tear apart its victims like a lion or tiger, it does not call attention to itself. As Holmes himself says to Watson, toward the beginning of this story: "Do you feel a creeping, sinking sensation, Watson, when you stand before the serpents in the Zoo, and see the slithery, gliding, venomous creatures with their deadly eyes and wicked flattened faces? Well, that's how Milverton impresses me. I've had to do with fifty murderers in my career, but the worst of them never gave me the repulsion which I have for this fellow."

    So we have at the core of this story a blackmailer. And not just any petty, small time blackmailer. But one who has wielded and nurtured great power over the city, over all kinds of people. He ensnares anyone, even those held in great esteem, those who were considered the cream of society, or those who may seem untouchable by scandal. So calm on the outside, not looking aggressive or alarming in any way. Yet with the coldest heart, keenest mind, and not a shred of decency or empathy. A true slimy evil menace that has been growing and ensnaring people in London and its surroundings for years.

    Holmes knows about him, oh yes, this Mr. Charles Augustus Milverton. But he has not been able to do anything yet. Milverton has been so careful, so that things could not be traced back to him. His hands look clean. But they are drenched in the blood and dirt of others' ruined lives. The only other creature that comes to mind that I could compare him to is a tick. A true silent bloodsucker. Or perhaps a leech.

    So along this unusual path, goes Holmes - and he takes measures that are certainly a departure for him: becoming engaged to a female servant in Milverton's house, just to get the perfect lay of the entire place, and he also clearly performs a criminal act in this story. All to get at Milverton, to remove some damaging papers, to save his client, and to finally somehow stop Milverton in his tracks.

    When reading this story, I was tantalized and interested and felt wrapped in the whole dark atmosphere. It was almost a smothering feeling, when reading about Milverton's exploits. And Holmes surprised me a bit, with the particular kind of role play that he undertook; it also amused me. He surprised me with his daring because it was clearly outside the law this time. I was thrilled, though! And I felt sure that Holmes, with trusty Watson at his side, would win the day as I was already clearly picturing it. But it did not happen like that ... not quite so obvious a finale to this story.

    To be continued ...
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    (my fav "smoking Sherlock" is back ... its availability comes and goes, but I cannot resist putting it here again, I so enjoy it!)
  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
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    Don't know where to put this, certainly not in the BBC thread so here it is...

    We all know May the Fourth is SW Day, but don't forget this: http://www.oregonlive.com/events/index.ssf/2014/05/mourn_the_death_of_sherlock_holmes_this_weekend_on.html

    Reichenbach Day! ;) :D
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Why are they mourning? We all know Holmes never went off the cliff. Or maybe they are a group who are super Doyle purists and hold that the canonical stories carry only from A Study in Scarlet to The Final Problem, which they choose to treat as the end of Sherlock's timeline and life. Without death threats, Holmes very well may have remained dead. So instead of mourning tomorrow I will be thanking the mad fans of the past who, through various threats made Doyle ante up and save Holmes from Death's doorstep.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited May 2014 Posts: 12,459
    Re: the above event ~ Interesting ... I clicked on the link to the Holmes society involved with this event (in Oregon), and they did not specify. I was thinking perhaps they would have a follow up future event, toasting Holmes's return in The Empty House. But no. However, there was no immediate mention of them considering the character actually dead or that they have a "purist" take on Holmes.

    I do know that several societies (London being the one I read about most) do travel to Switzerland to engage in role play at the falls, including dressing in Victorian costume and sometimes people assigned to act out the fight (minus the actual fall, obviously) between Holmes and Moriarty. Sounds like fun to me. :) I'd love to go some day. I do not think many societies truly mourn Holmes as dead. The London society, on its trip, does not specify "mourning" garb. They do not go every year, either, but they have tons of great events.

    ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
    I have recently read this (Wikipedia) but have not yet found a source yet linking this truly to Doyle. It seems likely, though; but as yet I have to say not proven. When I have a bit more time, I will keep looking for a genuine source tying Doyle to basing his character on this actual person. If you have a source, do tell us.

    The real blackmailer behind the character of Charles Augustus Milverton:

    The character of Charles Augustus Milverton was based on a real blackmailer, Charles Augustus Howell. He was an art dealer who preyed upon an unknown number of people, including the artist Dante Gabriel Rossetti.
    Doyle's literary inspiration often came from his natural interest in crime, and he had no tolerance for predators. Howell died in 1890 under circumstances as strange as any of Doyle's novels: His body was found near a Chelsea public house with his throat posthumously slit, with a ten-shilling coin in his mouth. The presence of the coin was known to be a criticism of those guilty of slander.


    * * * * * * *

    Is this well known? Does anyone have a good source? I think it is interesting.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited May 2014 Posts: 12,459
    The Sherlock Holmes Society of London ~ On May 16, a nice event tied to C.A.M.:
    (quoting from their events page ...)

    Our friends, the Baker Street Babes - whose wonderful podcast you should all be familiar with, but in case not then please visit http://bakerstreetbabes.com - will be providing the entertainment this evening with a radio-play performance of Charles Augustus Milverton, adapted from a script by Michael and Mollie Hardwick. Come along and revisit the story of the worst man in London, whose lair will play a significant role in Saturday's planned activities.

    ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

    Yes, lots of Holmes activities, events in May. I have read some of the BakerstreetBabes, but not listened to a podcast yet. I need to. This particular event sure sounds like fun.

    Holmes fans in London, you may want to check out this and the other enjoyable events at this Society. So wish I could be there!
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Note from the current Sherlock Holmes Society of London's April newsletter:
    If any serious Holmes collectors are on our forum, you may want to check this out:

    Our member Guy Marshall is in the unenviable position of having to sell
    his Sherlock Holmes collection, which includes at least 500 books, plus
    booklets and pamphlets, lots of cassettes, CD and videos, and various
    other memorabilia (he’s in the process of drawing up a catalogue).
    Prospective purchasers can contact Guy at 7 College Street, St Albans
    AL3 4PW (phone 01727 865039 or e-mail [email protected]).


    I'll post on the Sherlock BBC thread, too.
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    Fresh news from the film "A Slight Trick of the Mind", starring Ian McKellen as an ageing Sherlock Holmes. Laura Linney joins the project.

    http://insidemovies.ew.com/2014/05/07/laura-linney-a-slight-trick-of-the-mind/
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Great news, and I love hearing about Linney's Holmes-obsession. This film intrigues me, and it's going to tackle a Sherlock with dementia, something I have wanted to see played with for so long. He sees himself as just a brain, so what would it psychologically do to him if he lost his mental sharpness? I can't wait.
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    I have to share with you this delicious story (at least I think it is). J.M.Barrie's Sherlock Holmes parody that he wrote for his friend Arthur Conan Doyle and the story behind it.

    http://thenostalgialeague.com/olmag/barrie.html
  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
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    Sandy wrote:
    I have to share with you this delicious story (at least I think it is). J.M.Barrie's Sherlock Holmes parody that he wrote for his friend Arthur Conan Doyle and the story behind it.

    http://thenostalgialeague.com/olmag/barrie.html

    Thanks, Sandy. I´d got no idea!
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I have been very busy lately with my art projects, a lot of which have surrounded both the canonical Holmes and BBC Sherlock, and I thought I'd share them here for anyone interested. Where the former is concerned, I recently finished yet another tribute to Paget's illustrations using the characters/animation style from The Great Mouse Detective:

    http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2014/150/e/f/a_straight_left_against_a_slogging_ruffian_by_bradymajor-d7kez7w.jpg

    This drawing captures an unforgettable moment in "The Solitary Cyclist" where Holmes comes to blows with a Mr. Woodley, and comes out the victor. It's one of my favorite moments by the sheer fact that we finally get to see Holmes get his fists dirty and showcase those boxing skills we always hear so much about. I really love drawing Basil and this time I even got to create two original mice to represent Woodley and the barman, which was fun. I'm not sure which Paget drawing I will adapt next, but I am quite excited to get started on the project.

    Here is the original Paget drawing this piece is based on:
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    Where BBC Sherlock is concerned I have done a few drawings in a different style that favors minimalism and makes the characters more diminutive and cartoony:

    http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2014/086/c/e/the_game_is_a_foot_by_bradymajor-d7bwzwe.jpg

    http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2014/090/1/9/it_s_christmas_by_bradymajor-d7cfkad.jpg

    http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2014/140/7/6/i_owe_you_a_fall__sherlock_by_bradymajor-d7j22gc.png

    http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2014/144/2/4/mind_palace_by_bradymajor-d7jn15f.png

    Any and all feedback or suggestions would be more than appreciated.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited May 2014 Posts: 12,459
    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, thanks for sharing these. I loved them! Seriously, now. I have always enjoyed your work, which you kindly share with us, but I just want to say again that you have real talent. I do hope you can find your way to a great job after graduating from college. You deserve it. :-bd

    For these, let me first say I love the ongoing drawings you do using the Great Mouse Detective. You picked a great scene there. I relish how Holmes describes that fight and you certainly captured that scene.

    Secondly, I want to say that I think your decision to make the Sherlock (BBC) characters in the other drawings more "diminutive and cartoony" was a brilliant idea. These look fantastic! They are fun, have style, and I enjoy these a whole lot. I'm going to see if I can enlarge the Mind Palace shot - it's amazingly good.

    My only advice is: keep on keepin' on with what you are doing. You will continue to grow and develop as an artist, sure; but you are definitely in the right field and doing excellent work on these. I hope this stays fresh and fun for you. Thanks very much for sharing.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited May 2014 Posts: 28,694
    Thanks for the kind words; it is much appreciated! There is nothing more motivating for an artist than knowing others enjoy seeing your work. I very much appreciate all these years of support you and other members in this community have given me. :)
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Nothing will prepare you for the brilliance of this video:

  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Oh that was ... fun, funny, and weird!
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    Oh @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, your work is getting better and better! I really liked the joke of afoot/a foot but I doubt Watson would bet sick. He is, after all, an ex-army doctor, surgeon, seen enough for a life time, etc.

    The video is really funny but I found Holmes' hair highly disturbing.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Sandy wrote:
    Oh @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, your work is getting better and better! I really liked the joke of afoot/a foot but I doubt Watson would bet sick. He is, after all, an ex-army doctor, surgeon, seen enough for a life time, etc.

    The video is really funny but I found Holmes' hair highly disturbing.
    Thanks, @Sandy; I appreciate the feedback and continued support! I don't know how John would react to a dismembered foot, I just thought he'd get sick at the sight of one since the head in the fridge at Baker Street seemed to make him ill as well. Sherlock puts him through so much. ;)

    As for Sherlock's hair in that game, I agree; it's weird looking. I envision Holmes with a slightly thinner head of hair that is very slicked back and out of his eyes. The developers of the game seem to be going for a mash up of Basil and Brett's Holmes as far as his looks and mannerisms go; I haven't ever played any of them, though. I want to, if I could find a copy; I'll likely end up having to order it.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited June 2014 Posts: 28,694
    As usual, I have been thinking a lot about Holmes and Watson's great dynamic throughout the canon and subsequent adaptions created after them, and chose to pay tribute to that friendship here:

    http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2014/163/6/5/a_story_of_friendship_by_bradymajor-d7m1yfz.png

    I knew I wanted to show their deep and complex dynamic using all my favorite adaptions of Holmes and Watson, but it was only until after I had most of the drawing and inking done that I decided to add an original poem to the piece to help link the images to the lines of text. The poem's lines speak for themselves and underline what makes not only Holmes and Watson's friendship so great, but also every great bond between two people. The adaptions I included, running from top to bottom are BBC Sherlock, the Granada series with Brett, the Young Sherlock Holmes 80s film, the Ritchie Holmes and Watson and finally the classic canon Holmes and Watson who started it all.
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    That is so amazing @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7! I think it's one of my favourite works of yours. Can I tweet it to the Baker Street Babes? I have a feeling they would greatly enjoy it.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Sandy wrote:
    That is so amazing @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7! I think it's one of my favourite works of yours. Can I tweet it to the Baker Street Babes? I have a feeling they would greatly enjoy it.

    Thanks, and feel free! Let me know if you get any responses.
  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
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    Great work, man! =D>
    Nice and elegant! Congratulations!
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