Napoleon (2023)

Trailer just came out. This looks like the movie of the year for me.
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  • Posts: 12,269
    I’m pretty stoked for it!
  • TheSkyfallen06TheSkyfallen06 Buenos Aires, Argentina.
    Posts: 989
    I'm sorry but when i saw this i couldn't not think of this:
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    Posts: 1,430
    FoxRox wrote: »
    I’m pretty stoked for it!

    Me too. Have you seen Waterloo (1970) and/or War And Peace (1966-67)?
  • BennyBenny In the shadowsAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 14,879
    Looks like a typical Ridley Scott epic.
    Will certainly be going to see this.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Kicking: Impossible
    Posts: 6,730
    LucknFate wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    I’m pretty stoked for it!

    Me too. Have you seen Waterloo (1970) and/or War And Peace (1966-67)?

    There was also the 2002 miniseries starring Christian Clavier as Napoleon.

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    And of course...

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  • Posts: 12,269
    LucknFate wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    I’m pretty stoked for it!

    Me too. Have you seen Waterloo (1970) and/or War And Peace (1966-67)?

    I haven’t!
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    Posts: 1,430
    mattjoes wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    I’m pretty stoked for it!

    Me too. Have you seen Waterloo (1970) and/or War And Peace (1966-67)?

    There was also the 2002 miniseries starring Christian Clavier as Napoleon.

    napoleon-2.jpg


    And of course...

    screen-shot-2023-02-23-at-11.03.24-am.png

    Haven't seen those, how are they?
    FoxRox wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    I’m pretty stoked for it!

    Me too. Have you seen Waterloo (1970) and/or War And Peace (1966-67)?

    I haven’t!

    I highly recommend! Excellent battle scenes with real people and horses, and the performances aren't bad if you don't mind dubbing. I saw War And Peace, a 7 hour four-parter iirc, in a theater over two days of a weekend at Lincoln Center in NYC. It was life-changing, I would describe some of the camerawork as spiritual. Waterloo is good too, same director I believe.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    Posts: 2,928
    Always thought Paul Darrow would've made a great Napoleon.

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  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 17,808
    I'm sure Napoleon will be dynamite! ;)
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited July 2023 Posts: 1,368
    This film looks stellar! The kind of role Phoenix was born to play. There's also a quick shot in the trailer that looks like that famous Napoleon painting on his horse.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited July 2023 Posts: 4,443
    mattjoes wrote: »

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    Look like on Danny Devito..

    Of course this movie wil be sponserd by

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  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited July 2023 Posts: 3,390
    It's seems like these days are full of biopics that started with Blonde (edit: I mean, Marilyn Monroe).

    Now, we have Oppenheimer, then this, Napoleon, and there's another one in the works, Bob Marley.

    There are even some talks of having Johnny Depp to play King Louise XV.

    I mean, it's really getting big in making biopic films.

    I'm now wondering who's next? 😁
  • edited July 2023 Posts: 3,169
    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    I mean, it's really getting big in making biopic films.
    I'm now wondering who's next? 😁
    Michael Mann's Ferrari movie is also coming this year.
    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3758542/?ref_=rlm
    And 'Killers of the Flower Moon' from Scorsese.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 17,808
    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    It's seems like these days are full of biopics that started with Blonde (edit: I mean, Marilyn Monroe).

    Now, we have Oppenheimer, then this, Napoleon, and there's another one in the works, Bob Marley.

    There are even some talks of having Johnny Depp to play King Louise XV.

    I mean, it's really getting big in making biopic films.

    I'm now wondering who's next? 😁

    I believe there's also an upcoming biopic on Michael Jackson as well.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    edited July 2023 Posts: 13,032
    M_Balje wrote: »
    mattjoes wrote: »

    screen-shot-2023-02-23-at-11.03.24-am.png

    Look like on Danny Devito..

    Of course this movie wil be sponserd by

    home_assortiment_befr_3.png



    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTb4DJ-4tMyDyo-WPKep0twMCWyK2adDmgQ776983Fzf8hLJ_yJSGSXJ5DJ1_XbnWeIUOc&usqp=CAU
  • DwayneDwayne New York City
    Posts: 2,626
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    I'm sure Napoleon will be dynamite! ;)

    Very funny. That made my day!

    I wonder how much of the production followed Kubrick's old background notes?
  • mattjoesmattjoes Kicking: Impossible
    edited July 2023 Posts: 6,730
    LucknFate wrote: »
    mattjoes wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    I’m pretty stoked for it!

    Me too. Have you seen Waterloo (1970) and/or War And Peace (1966-67)?

    There was also the 2002 miniseries starring Christian Clavier as Napoleon.

    napoleon-2.jpg


    And of course...

    screen-shot-2023-02-23-at-11.03.24-am.png

    Haven't seen those, how are they?

    I haven't seen the first one, but I might. I have been watching a bunch of Clavier comedies lately, and I'd like to see how he does in a dramatic role.

    The second one is a fictional film within the film Get Shorty, starring Martin Weir (played by Danny DeVito, taking inspiration from Dustin Hoffman). I love J. Thomas Ringo, great fake name.
  • FeyadorFeyador Montreal, Canada
    edited July 2023 Posts: 735
    LucknFate wrote: »
    mattjoes wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    I’m pretty stoked for it!

    Me too. Have you seen Waterloo (1970) and/or War And Peace (1966-67)?

    There was also the 2002 miniseries starring Christian Clavier as Napoleon.

    napoleon-2.jpg


    And of course...

    screen-shot-2023-02-23-at-11.03.24-am.png

    Haven't seen those, how are they?
    FoxRox wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    I’m pretty stoked for it!

    Me too. Have you seen Waterloo (1970) and/or War And Peace (1966-67)?

    I haven’t!

    I highly recommend! Excellent battle scenes with real people and horses, and the performances aren't bad if you don't mind dubbing. I saw War And Peace, a 7 hour four-parter iirc, in a theater over two days of a weekend at Lincoln Center in NYC. It was life-changing, I would describe some of the camerawork as spiritual. Waterloo is good too, same director I believe.

    Yes, the same director, Sergei Bondarchuk, whose daughter, Natalya, stars ever so memorably in the original Solaris from a few years afterwards.

    Bondarchuk was a controversial choice as a director for War & Peace, as he was known mainly as a popular, much-beloved actor, which upset more established Soviet filmmakers. It was such a prestige project that Bondarchuk basically had all the resources of the Soviet state to call upon, ie. the museums, the palaces, the Red Army, etc. It basically became a state necessity to outdo the Hollywood version from a few years earlier. So much so that some think it the most expensive movie ever made anywhere, though none of this was reflected in the original production budget. But he acquited himself well as director, even if he was far too old himself to play the character of Pierre in the film.

    PS the recent Criterion Blu-ray release has the original Russian dialogue plus a subtitles option ....
  • HildebrandRarityHildebrandRarity Centre international d'assistance aux personnes déplacées, Paris, France
    edited July 2023 Posts: 467
    Dwayne wrote: »
    I wonder how much of the production followed Kubrick's old background notes?

    The rights to Kubrick's script belong to Spielberg who's still working with HBO on a limited series (he said so early this year). Before he got the No Time to Die gig, Cary Joji Fukunaga was attached as a director, but it looks like he's out of the picture.

    It wouldn't be an issue to expand the script, especially as Kubrick was on record saying that he would have loved making an eight-hour version or something like that. An issue would be that Kubrick didn't put on the paper the visual ideas he had in mind for each scene. Kubrick wasn't much into storyboarding (unless it was needed for visual effects) and tended to find inspiration for composing and framing while he was on the set. So, you need to find a director who can translate the script into visual ideas and reconstitute what Kubrick may have done himself without turning into a flashy copycat. Which is not an easy task.

    And, of course, after Napoléon was cancelled at MGM, Kubrick used part of his research and his work into Barry Lyndon, which was a major influence on Scott's debut film, The Duellists (an overlooked gem), the one he made just before Alien.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    Posts: 1,368
    I've been searching for who covered Radiohead's The National Anthem in the trailer. I love the covered version too!
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    Posts: 1,430
    Feyador wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    mattjoes wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    I’m pretty stoked for it!

    Me too. Have you seen Waterloo (1970) and/or War And Peace (1966-67)?

    There was also the 2002 miniseries starring Christian Clavier as Napoleon.

    napoleon-2.jpg


    And of course...

    screen-shot-2023-02-23-at-11.03.24-am.png

    Haven't seen those, how are they?
    FoxRox wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    I’m pretty stoked for it!

    Me too. Have you seen Waterloo (1970) and/or War And Peace (1966-67)?

    I haven’t!

    I highly recommend! Excellent battle scenes with real people and horses, and the performances aren't bad if you don't mind dubbing. I saw War And Peace, a 7 hour four-parter iirc, in a theater over two days of a weekend at Lincoln Center in NYC. It was life-changing, I would describe some of the camerawork as spiritual. Waterloo is good too, same director I believe.

    Yes, the same director, Sergei Bondarchuk, whose daughter, Natalya, stars ever so memorably in the original Solaris from a few years afterwards.

    Bondarchuk was a controversial choice as a director for War & Peace, as he was known mainly as a popular, much-beloved actor, which upset more established Soviet filmmakers. It was such a prestige project that Bondarchuk basically had all the resources of the Soviet state to call upon, ie. the museums, the palaces, the Red Army, etc. It basically became a state necessity to outdo the Hollywood version from a few years earlier. So much so that some think it the most expensive movie ever made anywhere, though none of this was reflected in the original production budget. But he acquited himself well as director, even if he was far too old himself to play the character of Pierre in the film.

    PS the recent Criterion Blu-ray release has the original Russian dialogue plus a subtitles option ....

    His War And Peace is truly epic filmmaking. Quite the director! I highly recommend, even for its length. Just beautiful war filmmaking and the resources really show up on screen.
  • Posts: 6,816
    Dwayne wrote: »
    I wonder how much of the production followed Kubrick's old background notes?

    The rights to Kubrick's script belong to Spielberg who's still working with HBO on a limited series (he said so early this year). Before he got the No Time to Die gig, Cary Joji Fukunaga was attached as a director, but it looks like he's out of the picture.

    It wouldn't be an issue to expand the script, especially as Kubrick was on record saying that he would have loved making an eight-hour version or something like that. An issue would be that Kubrick didn't put on the paper the visual ideas he had in mind for each scene. Kubrick wasn't much into storyboarding (unless it was needed for visual effects) and tended to find inspiration for composing and framing while he was on the set. So, you need to find a director who can translate the script into visual ideas and reconstitute what Kubrick may have done himself without turning into a flashy copycat. Which is not an easy task.

    And, of course, after Napoléon was cancelled at MGM, Kubrick used part of his research and his work into Barry Lyndon, which was a major influence on Scott's debut film, The Duellists (an overlooked gem), the one he made just before Alien.

    Glad to hear another fan of Ridley Scotts 'The Duellists', Marvellous film, I really wish it would get a decent 4k release!
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,473
    Adding my support and love for The Duellists. I only, finally, saw it recently but it was really, really amazing, with two tremendous lead performances. I've always thought Keith Carradine was criminally underrated.
  • DwayneDwayne New York City
    Posts: 2,626
    Thanks @HildebrandRarity for the clarification. It's much appreciated.

    While NAPOLEON (2023) really looks interesting, I’ll be curious to see how a “historical period piece” fairs in today’s film environment.

    I’ve read differing reasons as to why Kubrick abandoned his planned version of “Napoleon.” Some say that the relative box-office failure of Dino De Laurentiis’ WATERLOO (1970) killed it. While others attribute much of the blame to the change in top management at MGM. Robert O'Brien – who had strongly supported Kubrick during 2OO1’s production delays and cost overruns – was fired in 1969. Interestingly, Kubrick’s next film – A CLOCKWORK ORANGE (1971) – was distributed by Warner Brothers (as were all of his remaining films).
  • HildebrandRarityHildebrandRarity Centre international d'assistance aux personnes déplacées, Paris, France
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    I guess that it was a combination of things that got MGM to cancel the project. And MGM was slowly backing out of film production at that point.

    After the collapse of his Napoléon, Kubrick needed a quick gig to reestablish himself. Warner was the only studio willing to sign him for A Clockwork Orange, as the others bailed out when Kubrick wanted it to be X-rated. But he was, due to the subject and to the rating, on a budget, hence the rushed production (by his then standards) or the reliance on existing locations. And near the end of his life, Kubrick would still bitch about how he had been robbed in his contract, as he only got a few points on the gross. Just like Sean Connery was still mad at Broccoli and Saltzman for not paying him enough or at United Artists for not executing the whole production deal around Diamonds Are Forever (the cancelled Macbeth).
    Difference is that Kubrick stayed with Warner Bros as he negotiated better terms for his next projects.
    Still, they didn't produce his Napoléon, so it wasn't just some MGM thing.

    Anyway, French film director Bertrand Tavernier(*) started his career as a publicist, mostly for American productions, and was supposed to work on the French release of A Clockwork Orange. He resigned after five weeks, as Kubrick was impossible to work with, by sending him a cable stating "As a director you're a genius, but as a boss you're an imbecile."
    One or two days later, Tavernier received a cable from Joe Hyams, the global head of PR at Warner Bros. Hyams stated that he was ecstatic about what Tavernier had said about Kubrick, up the point that he had his cable framed in his office, and offered him to pick three projects that Warner was about to release so he could be the publicist, at his own terms, for them in France. (Tavernier mentions The Wild Bunch, but that's probably a mistake, as The Wild Bunch was released in France in 1969, long before A Clockwork Orange was even shot)

    (*) I'd strongly recommend Coup de torchon, an adaptation of Jim Thompson's Pop. 1280 relocated to French West Africa in the thirties, which is a terrific choice. It's a dark comedy about a mild-mannered cop that nobody respects there (including his cuckolding wife) and who then starts murdering people.


  • Posts: 12,506
    FoxRox wrote: »
    I’m pretty stoked for it!

    Looking forward to this too!
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,473
    A historical biopic with historical inaccuracies? I am simply shocked.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 17,808
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    A historical biopic with historical inaccuracies? I am simply shocked.

    Yes. You never see it, do you?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,473
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    A historical biopic with historical inaccuracies? I am simply shocked.

    Yes. You never see it, do you?

    This will set records for being the first film to have ever done it, no question!
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