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  • edited June 2022 Posts: 565
    patb wrote: »
    Instead of Bond going rogue, we could have a two/three other agents going rogue (becoming an unsanctioned "death squad"/vigilante) and Bond uncovering this. A kind of international version of "Magnum Force" (underated movie IMHO but I digress) ? It could produce an interesting moral subtext regarding when it's OK to "intervene" (ie shoot someone) and when not. But, also, pitch Bond against great advisories so plenty of potential for action but no "take over the World" stuff. It could also work quote nicely if we had a younger Bond pitching against older, more experienced and, by nature, cynical agents who had grown tired of watching despots/dictators/war criminals run loose whilst we sat and watched or chose to use non-violent sanctions which were interpreted as weak and ineffective. (sounds familier re where we are today?)

    ("It's not just a question of whether or not to use violence. There simply is no other way. You, of all people, should understand that.")


    I really, really like this idea. It's something that hasn't been done in the Bond franchise, is interesting but not overly melodramatic, can be made politically neutral, and is grounded. Great idea @patb
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    JamesStock wrote: »
    patb wrote: »
    Instead of Bond going rogue, we could have a two/three other agents going rogue (becoming an unsanctioned "death squad"/vigilante) and Bond uncovering this. A kind of international version of "Magnum Force" (underated movie IMHO but I digress) ? It could produce an interesting moral subtext regarding when it's OK to "intervene" (ie shoot someone) and when not. But, also, pitch Bond against great advisories so plenty of potential for action but no "take over the World" stuff. It could also work quote nicely if we had a younger Bond pitching against older, more experienced and, by nature, cynical agents who had grown tired of watching despots/dictators/war criminals run loose whilst we sat and watched or chose to use non-violent sanctions which were interpreted as weak and ineffective. (sounds familier re where we are today?)

    ("It's not just a question of whether or not to use violence. There simply is no other way. You, of all people, should understand that.")


    I really, really like this idea. It's something that hasn't been done in the Bond franchise, is interesting but not overly melodramatic, can be made politically neutral, and is grounded. Great idea @patb

    I like this idea too. Just don’t have Purvis and Wade write it, or Bond will go rogue with them!
  • edited June 2022 Posts: 2,564
    MI6HQ wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    MI6HQ wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    MI6HQ wrote: »
    Venutius wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I'm not really eager to see another orgin story of Bond, I thought Casino was a masterpiece and I'd rather see them pick up with a new man in the early years of his 00 career, rather than his first year. We don't need to see how he became Bond, let's just see him as James Bond

    Agree with every word of this. Linear origin stories can have their own appeal, but I'm hoping we hit the ground running with a Bond at the top of his game.

    A bit like Dr. No, I really liked that, the film opened to a Casino, his face was not shown then when he says his name, lights his cigarette, that's when he's introduced.
    I'd liked it to be the introduction for the next Bond actor.
    A man at the top of his game, being sophisticated.

    Something like that can be overdone arguably. They tried to introduce Lazenby's Bond much in this style - the lingering shots of the hands, the cigarette, the 'Bond, James Bond' before the face reveal. A part of it might be the fact that Connery was a tough act to follow, but I never felt that the hype injected into that introduction matched... well, Lazenby really. With Connery the introduction works because Bond is introduced a bit later, there's some audience expectation about meeting our hero for the first time, and Connery is a great screen presence anyway. With Lazenby the result is a little bit underwhelming the moment he says 'my name is Bond, James Bond' with that oddly wooden delivery he seems to use for half of the movie, and there's very little build up to Bond beforehand.

    They kind of overcorrected this during LALD and dropped us into a comedic scene with Moore's Bond. To be honest given Moore's presence on TV I think a similar introduction to Connery's would have felt superfluous and they were trying to do something new. It certainly gives you an idea of the tone they wanted. Dalton's introduction is spectacular - the other Bondian looking agents being killed one by one until you get that great John Ford-esque shot where Bond turns his head/the camera moves towards him. It's not too drawn out, but just right - the right amount of subversion and tradition. Brosnan's introduction is also cool - he's literally revealed in a toilet stall which is a funny little gag but the bungee jump scene sells it. Craig's introduction isn't even drawn out at all - no shots of the hands, no slow face reveal, not even an action sequence per say. The flashbacks, the editing, Craig's reaction to Dreydon's lines, however, are well done and subtly tell us a bit about this iteration of Bond.

    Anyway, they'll need to find an introduction that works for the new Bond, not just have a 'cool' reveal. They could do a similar one to Connery but only if we build up to that reveal like in DN - we need to see some of the villain's plot beforehand, learn of the stakes, have an idea of why James Bond is needed here and we need to get a sense of what he can do as an agent. To be fair this might work given they're presumably rebooting the franchise, so there might perhaps be more expectation around this Bond.

    The introduction of Lazenby driving while smoking a cigarette was really great with him seeing Tracy's car passed and fast.
    I think the better introduction for him would be to reveal his face right when he came down from the car and starts fighting the bad guys, in that he could make an impression that this Bond was a fighter, great at the fight scenes.
    That scene was actually shot with Lazenby still wearing his hat, that would be a great introduction.

    When it comes to Craig, I don't know, that scene with Dryden was very much Batman for me, not Bond, the black and white, then the exterior of building was shown, very much like Batman/Gotham City for me.

    I'd just want a cool/Flemingesque introduction.

    Yeah, I do think there's a case to be made that the face reveal could have been held off until after Lazenby's Bond started fighting. I do feel OHMSS suffers a bit in the sense that it attempts to reference the Connery films - the way the reveal of the actor is done, the gadgets seen in Bond's office etc. It feels like it's trying to assure the audience that this is still James Bond without necessarily selling us Lazenby's Bond if that makes sense. As I said, there's little build up to Bond (it's just a brief/forgettable 'where is 007' scene that feels like it could be cut) so it feels slightly off. I'm expecting Sean Connery and I get Lazenby. Doesn't help that Bond seems to follow Tracy out of pure coincidence/fate, whereas in the novel Bond is actually following her to make sure she doesn't do what she's about to do. The idea of starting on Tracy then revealing there's this silhouetted man watching her seems more interesting and would keep the audience guessing what's going on. Anyway, that's one of OHMSS many problems in adaptation for me.

    As for Craig's Bond, it's very much an introduction designed to look and feel very Film Noir. I must say, the black and white isn't necessarily my favourite part of the sequence (I'm generally of the opinion Bond cinematography shouldn't draw too much attention to itself in this way) but I really like it. Dryden's little taunts at Bond towards his informant's killing ("made you feel it, did he?" etc.) and Craig's subtle reactions/the editing used to craft the scene are one of the only times in the films I've gotten a sense of how Bond feels about this aspect of his profession - that is, killing people. In that sense it's rather Fleming-esque.

    I mean, how is Bond introduced in Fleming? In CR we see him at the casino table and he goes back to his hotel room. He checks his little intruder traps (the hair strands in the doors, talcum powder on the handles etc) and sleeps with a gun under his pillow. There's much internal monologuing but something like that could be cool. Bond silhouetted in a dark hotel room, putting on his suit, taking out the Walther from under his pillow, setting up the traps, putting on his shoulder holster etc. Then he walks out to carry out whatever assignment he's doing and the camera follows him from behind/the editing cuts around him until the face reveal. Something like that.

    Wow, mate, I really liked to engage in a discussion like this, in OHMSS as Calvin Dyson said, in the film it made more sense because it seems like Bond's loving of Tracy didn't worked in the book, he make love to her, but it's she who's stubborn and still walked her way out to attempt suicide.

    I liked the film more (and really agreed with Calvin) in that she's attempting to do suicide, Bond stopped her, they make love and after that she's fine. It's like she found a hope when she meets Bond, and stopped being suicidal when she met him, it made a lot more sense. Agreed on the Connery references though, but I'm looking to the other part of the corner that it should be reference to avoid the codename theory, which was started in Casino Royale 1967 with Niven.

    About the opening of the CR, it has its fans for sure, it's a nice introduction, but I'm not just a fan of it. It really felt like a Batman film, like Bond was in Gotham city for some mission, I'm expecting James Gordon to make an appearance.

    I liked that opening scene in CR (novel), it has an air of mystery, suspense and thrill, very Bondian.

    Maybe we could have something of that as an introduction for the next Bond? I'm hoping.

    I suspect if it were adapted for the screen today writers would be more willing to use techniques like in media res and flashbacks which Fleming uses in the first quarter of the novel. To be fair to Fleming he understood that Bond saving Tracy and then getting captured was the most dramatic way to start the story, so essentially worked his way backwards with the flashbacks etc. I do like that we first see her acting self-destructive with her driving, accumulating gambling debts etc. It interests Bond but we slowly see there's something more to her and something isn't right. She has her rather strange outburst after sleeping with Bond and her follows her, suspecting the worst. To be fair though I've not re-read that novel in a while but I do remember her outburst at the end feeling very tragic and oddly realistic for such a character. The fact is for such people with mental illness it isn't simply a case of sleeping with someone and finding 'hope' automatically. That's the type of nonsense you see in old films. Often they will reject or try to push away those who love or are trying to help them. It takes time. But hey, OHMSS is an old film so I can't blame it for that.

    Personally, one of my problems with OHMSS as a film is the fact that it's a story that should be about a jaded Bond who's fed up with his job. Lazenby is 29, rather youthful and with the script he's given can't sell this. The scene where he temporarily quits the Service feels very strange because it comes across as more impulsive than something Bond has been thinking about for a while. In fact it seems to come from nowhere in the film. Someone like Dalton could have sold such a moment better during his tenure but Lazenby never convinced me of this.

    I mean, I don't personally get Batman vibes from the CR opening. More Film Noir. To be fair Batman is pretty Noir inspired but the idea of a Bond waiting for someone to show up/holding him at gunpoint in the dark room seems more 1950s hardboiled detective than Batman to me. Incidentally Fleming was inspired by Raymond Chandler novels and Bond often goes about his missions/acts in a way not dissimilar to a Phillip Marlowe or Sam Spade type character.

    Yeah, it'd be cool to see Bond doing that stuff. We haven't seen Bond 'getting ready' in this way since DN really (unless I'm forgetting an example). Certainly we haven't seen the hair in the door/talcum powder on the lock since that film. It would tell you much about this iteration of the character - the danger of his job, how he always has to be on his guard etc.
  • edited June 2022 Posts: 4,597
    @JamesStock @MaxCasino Thanks for the feedback. I think, in the PTS, a younger Bond is saved/helped by a more senior double 0. He is later revealed to be one of the "death squad", so this creates additional conflict/tension as agents he has looked up to and respected have chosen a darker path and Bond (and the audience try to work out who can be trusted). I also like, (as with all great villains) that there will be some level of empathy with their tactics as they see the World falling apart and feel the moral imperative to step in. (thanos)

    I also think that (as with Magnum Force) the group is uncovered via the help of forensics but here, it could be Q who, be defintion, is now also in danger. As Bond, end of act two, rejects the invitation to join them, the climax places Bond against a couple of the agents including the agent who saved him in the PTS.

    Pushing things slightly but, I love the ending of Heat where we do see the good guy win and a moral outcome but there is clear understanding/empathy between the two providing a bitter sweet and memorable climax for the audience. (they tried this slightly in Goldeneye but that ellement failed IMHO) Possibly too complex for a Bond movie?

    Yes, I know, cheesy but, (as with Top Gun - M) people love cheese.
    My second fan fiction begins.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    MI6HQ wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I would rather them allow actors to speak in their native accents, some of Malek's accent took me out of NTTD a bit. Great actor but some of the dialogue and delivery was a bit sketchy

    Thing is, Malek actually has a rather interesting voice. He can make it very flat and subtly creepy, which does come out a little bit in NTTD (admittedly it's hidden within his 'anyplace European accent', but still...) In an alternate universe I do think Malek could have made a great Blofeld in SP.

    But yeah, the cliched dialogue, the generic accent... the guy's also named Lucifer Safin for f*ck's sake... to paraphrase Mark Kermode, that's literally two letters away from sounding like Lucifer Satan.

    Wait, I thought Rami Malek told in an interview that his role wasn't connected to any religion that's why he accepted the part?

    They wouldn't have done it after SP, but it might have been interesting if Safin were...Blofeld's son.
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    echo wrote: »
    MI6HQ wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I would rather them allow actors to speak in their native accents, some of Malek's accent took me out of NTTD a bit. Great actor but some of the dialogue and delivery was a bit sketchy

    Thing is, Malek actually has a rather interesting voice. He can make it very flat and subtly creepy, which does come out a little bit in NTTD (admittedly it's hidden within his 'anyplace European accent', but still...) In an alternate universe I do think Malek could have made a great Blofeld in SP.

    But yeah, the cliched dialogue, the generic accent... the guy's also named Lucifer Safin for f*ck's sake... to paraphrase Mark Kermode, that's literally two letters away from sounding like Lucifer Satan.

    Wait, I thought Rami Malek told in an interview that his role wasn't connected to any religion that's why he accepted the part?

    They wouldn't have done it after SP, but it might have been interesting if Safin were...Blofeld's son.

    The character could even still be called Lucifer Safin... he would have inherited his Father's tendency to give himself a made up BS name.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    Ok, this is probably too close to the gambling in Macao in SF to work for Bond 26, but I still thought this was a cool concept. So, I just read about the biggest cruise ship in the world the Global Dream II. It is currently not being built in a German shipyard that hase gone bankrupt and the administrator has just announced that they wouldn't finish the ship and instead sell it for scrap. Apparently the cruise industry in Asia is still pretty broken due to the pandemic and no-one wanted to buy the ship and continue building it, because it can only operate in Asia.
    And here - finally - is why I bring this up: Apparently this was supposed to be a huge, floating casino. I don't have a real source for that, but who needs a source for a Bond location? So it seems like there are these cruise ships in Asia, which they pack to the gills with gamblers and then drive out to international waters, where gambling goes on for a couple of days and then they drive back. The Global Dream II was supposed to be the biggest cruise ship in the world by number of passengers, not tonnage or cabins at a maximum occupancy of 9.000 in roughly 2.500 cabins. Meaning they wanted to pack this thing with 4 people to a room to get as many gamblers in there as possible, which is why it's not interesting for any western investors. And just as a kicker, this thing was supposed to be largly run by AI:

    So a huge cruise ship full of casinos off some Asian coast that has extensive AI systems, facial and voice recognition and robots. Sounds like you could easily fit a Bond story in here. Only thing is, I don't know which one I'd find better: The finished ship, or the unfinished one about to be hauled to a scrapyard..
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    Had myself my first dream of B26 last night, which was quite vivid. The next Bond is a black man, looked a little like Jamie Foxx. The film opens with him in an African jungle area, ordered by M to assassinate a dangerous up-and-coming African warlord (“nip it in the bud”). Bond’s accompanied by a few MI6 agents, who all go down quickly when they confront the warlord and his group in the middle of moving supplies (trucks everywhere). Bond manages to kill off the henchmen of course, but the PTS ends with the warlord seemingly killing Bond by shooting his body multiple times. It’s revealed Bond was wearing some great body armor though, so all is well - besides that the warlord and his group get away.

    The details after this get fuzzier, I want to say it’s mostly a cat and mouse game between Bond and the warlord kind of like TMWTGG. M is Judi Dench-like and is more concerned about this villain than any other to come before. The biggest other sequence I remember is that the climax is that Bond and many innocent civilians get trapped in a shopping mall overnight, which the warlord locks them into and hunts them for sport for fun, like The Most Dangerous Game (no one else has a gun including Bond). So Bond has to try to save the civilians and somehow outwit the warlord without a weapon, but the dream ends before a conclusion.
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    Maybe I'm old fashioned but I still want James Bond to be a white man (as invented by Fleming).

    Could you imagine Shaft played by a white actor?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited June 2022 Posts: 14,793
    Librarian wrote: »
    Could you imagine Shaft played by a white actor?

    It's just not the same thing, unless you think Bond is a famous whitexploitation character ;)
    It only ever seems to be Shaft that people mention as a false equivalence. I'm pretty sure the last one was only a couple of pages back.
  • quantumspectrequantumspectre argentina
    edited June 2022 Posts: 61
    the batman is already a dark thriller, if they dont want the comedy tone, they could make the new 007 as thriller. and this time should be a 007 who enjoys the spy work.
  • DB5MNDB5MN USA
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    the batman is already a dark thriller, if they dont want the comedy tone, they could make the new 007 as thriller. and this time should be a 007 who enjoys the spy work.

    The batman really nailed the darkness well if that is brought to Bond that would be cool but then again I don't want a rehash of the Craig Era.
  • quantumspectrequantumspectre argentina
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    DB5MN wrote: »
    the batman is already a dark thriller, if they dont want the comedy tone, they could make the new 007 as thriller. and this time should be a 007 who enjoys the spy work.

    The batman really nailed the darkness well if that is brought to Bond that would be cool but then again I don't want a rehash of the Craig Era.

    the big question is when the new actor will be chossen, the rumour about the oscars and 007 was just a clip, wish they found a actor soon and a new script is written already.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    DB5MN wrote: »
    the batman is already a dark thriller, if they dont want the comedy tone, they could make the new 007 as thriller. and this time should be a 007 who enjoys the spy work.

    The batman really nailed the darkness well if that is brought to Bond that would be cool but then again I don't want a rehash of the Craig Era.

    But then I guess The Batman sounds like a rehash of the Bale films, but apparently it isn’t.
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    mtm wrote: »
    DB5MN wrote: »
    the batman is already a dark thriller, if they dont want the comedy tone, they could make the new 007 as thriller. and this time should be a 007 who enjoys the spy work.

    The batman really nailed the darkness well if that is brought to Bond that would be cool but then again I don't want a rehash of the Craig Era.

    But then I guess The Batman sounds like a rehash of the Bale films, but apparently it isn’t.

    Yeah it's pretty different I'd say. The Batman has more of him doing detective work than in the Nolan films, which I'm a fan of. I'm guessing you haven't seen it so I won't say too much, but there are also subtle differences such as the film questioning the character's tactics/worldview, both as Bruce Wayne and Batman, as well as Gordon/Batman's relationship with the police (it's much more antagonistic in The Batman than it was in TDK).

    I wonder if we'll see some of these ideas bleed through into Bond 26? I can image a scenario where Bond and M operate similarly to Gordon/Batman - so more unofficially, Bond's missions sometimes 'off the book' due to some sort of antagonism between M/the 00 section and the upper realms of British Government.

    I can also imagine Bond having to make choices in the film that lead to some sort of change/us seeing him as more the hero we know, which is very broadly an idea in The Batman. I dunno, it could be a case where because he operates more 'off the books' he can't always intervene in certain situations. Perhaps him stumbling across the villain/learning of a bigger plot will spur him to do so, even if it isn't directly in the interests of Her Majesty's Government/is more to save lives.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    007HallY wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    DB5MN wrote: »
    the batman is already a dark thriller, if they dont want the comedy tone, they could make the new 007 as thriller. and this time should be a 007 who enjoys the spy work.

    The batman really nailed the darkness well if that is brought to Bond that would be cool but then again I don't want a rehash of the Craig Era.

    But then I guess The Batman sounds like a rehash of the Bale films, but apparently it isn’t.

    Yeah it's pretty different I'd say. The Batman has more of him doing detective work than in the Nolan films, which I'm a fan of. I'm guessing you haven't seen it so I won't say too much, but there are also subtle differences such as the film questioning the character's tactics/worldview, both as Bruce Wayne and Batman, as well as Gordon/Batman's relationship with the police (it's much more antagonistic in The Batman than it was in TDK).

    Sure, that's cool. I just mean that tonally it appears to occupy the same space as the Nolan films, but still does something different. So a new set of Bond films could still be as serious as the Craig ones, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they'll do the same thing.
  • edited June 2022 Posts: 2,564
    mtm wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    DB5MN wrote: »
    the batman is already a dark thriller, if they dont want the comedy tone, they could make the new 007 as thriller. and this time should be a 007 who enjoys the spy work.

    The batman really nailed the darkness well if that is brought to Bond that would be cool but then again I don't want a rehash of the Craig Era.

    But then I guess The Batman sounds like a rehash of the Bale films, but apparently it isn’t.

    Yeah it's pretty different I'd say. The Batman has more of him doing detective work than in the Nolan films, which I'm a fan of. I'm guessing you haven't seen it so I won't say too much, but there are also subtle differences such as the film questioning the character's tactics/worldview, both as Bruce Wayne and Batman, as well as Gordon/Batman's relationship with the police (it's much more antagonistic in The Batman than it was in TDK).

    Sure, that's cool. I just mean that tonally it appears to occupy the same space as the Nolan films, but still does something different. So a new set of Bond films could still be as serious as the Craig ones, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they'll do the same thing.

    Kind of, but I get what you mean. In many ways The Batman is actually much darker than the Nolan films (especially the opening with a rather brutal killing and a Batman monologuing Travis Bickle-esque thoughts in his diary). In other ways it's much more optimistic tonally. Maybe it's just me but I always felt the end of TDK was weird with Batman deciding to pit himself as 'an evil' against the rest of Gotham, presumably on the basis that they wouldn't be able to handle the city's 'White Knight' Dent becoming Two Face... I mean wasn't the whole point of the last two movies that Gotham as a city ultimately had that sense of goodness/humanity at its heart, and this would come out in times of peril? The scene on the boat with the bombs in that film exemplifies that for me... dunno, just felt a bit too pessimistic and cerebral, and I never felt it was really elaborated upon adequately in TDKR...

    Anyway, I agree. I think the next Bond film will retain elements of the Craig era regardless, even if it's simply on a tonal level (Craig's later ones have their moments of lightheartedness, fun and fantasy between the drama to be fair...)
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    You know guys, sorry to say but I'm having this weird idea of bringing Mathilde back in the future as a villainess, let's say, she wants a revenge against MI6 and blaming them for the death of her father, hiring henchmen to destroy MI6 and kill M, but not knowing that her father was still alive, only to be reveal in the end but she's already dying.
    I know it's weird, but that's the only way that I could see to give Bond's personal arc a real closure.
    For me it's still not closed, because there's Mathilde, some people might be thinking of what will happen to her, because she's Bond's daughter.
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    No, this can’t work. Unless you think James Bond is a code name.

    The new Bond film will e set in the eternal present, but move back in his lifetime - before 007 dies. Therefore, Mathilde will not exist
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Lea Seydoux is
    Ian Fleming's-sorta
    Mathilde Bond 007
    in
    Beyond The Ice
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    edited July 2022 Posts: 2,412
    echo wrote: »
    Lea Seydoux is
    Ian Fleming's-sorta
    Mathilde Bond 007
    in
    Beyond The Ice

    Beyond The Ice...now there's a title I haven't heard in years!

    I'd love to see Bond 26 pick up in the centre of a mission that's gone wrong and we get to see the new Bond thrust into the action and having to use his wits to survive.

    Then after the PTS, I'd love to see Bond walk into the new M's office, get a mission and then the adventure kicks off
  • edited July 2022 Posts: 1,213
    Working on a fan screenplay I came up with a few ideas I’d love to see in the future:

    1. I find it a little boring and overdone that Spectre is organization doing evil for evils sake and world domination. My vision reinvents Spectre as a centuries old secret society imbedded in institutions and centres of power across society and the world. Initially they were a whistleblower organization of sorts, ensuring that the most powerful people and institutions in the world act in the best interest of society and the greater good. Somewhere along the way a charismatic figure named Ernst Stavro Blofeld begins to rise to power within the organization and cause an ideological shift fueled by narcissism and hubris. As his power grows, so does the nefariousness of Spectre’s activities and the threat to global intelligence/law enforcement agencies.

    2. Either explicit or implied, previous trauma with a romantic partner has been pretty foundational to the character. I would launch the next reboot shortly after the death of Tracy. It’s not necessarily an origin for the character or even a revenge mission, but an established agent who thought he was on his way out learning what he can’t have (a romantic loving/family relationship), and how to live with that moving forward.
  • I find it a little boring and overdone that Spectre is organization doing evil for evils sake and world domination. My vision reinvents Spectre as a centuries old secret society imbedded in institutions and centres of power across society and the world.

    I don't know if I want to see something like that in the future. SPECTRE's goal was pretty clear during the Connery's era (and under Fleming's pen): money; they are a profit-seeking business and, despite all its flaws, QoS offered an interesting and relevant updating of that with Quantum and its greedy members.

    Otherwise, I really like the idea, suggested for Spectre by a Sony executive, but ultimately unused, that consisted to make the organisation a private intelligence service. It would be all the more relevant today than it was in 2015, considering the current geopolitical context. To see Bond being confronted to a private military company, that could also happen to be a private intelligence service, using a network of mercenarie, hired by States or individuals, could be a nice way to update SPECTRE without changing much.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Might be a bit close to Kingsman?
  • edited July 2022 Posts: 322
    I just want traditional classic Bond.

    PTS - Bond is on a mission, kills bad guy, beds the woman

    Main plot - Bond walks into M’s office, given thin paper folder, about (people?) smuggling, told to sort it out. Given gadget. Investigates smuggling, finds out there is a threat to worlds energy supply by famous megalomaniac, kills bad guy, blows up his HQ, leaves with woman. Can be brooding.

    Nice and simple. No betrayal. No children. No daddy issues. No sibling rivalry. No resignations. No female 00s. Just sex and death.
  • Troy wrote: »
    I just want traditional classic Bond.

    PTS - Bond is on a mission, kills bad guy, beds the woman

    Main plot - Bond walks into M’s office, given thin paper folder, about (people?) smuggling, told to sort it out. Given gadget. Investigates smuggling, finds out there is a threat to worlds energy supply by famous megalomaniac, kills bad guy, blows up his HQ, leaves with woman. Can be brooding.

    Nice and simple. No betrayal. No children. No daddy issues. No sibling rivalry. No resignations. No female 00s. Just sex and death.

    I like that you thought female 00's was the problem...
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    Bond needs to be Fleming's creation! I don't mind who the actor is? But it needs to be the image of the man he created all those years ago.
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    RogueAgent wrote: »
    Bond needs to be Fleming's creation! I don't mind who the actor is? But it needs to be the image of the man he created all those years ago.

    This is what I think too, but for a new generation of Bond fans who have not read the books, or have read them but prefer the movies instead, then getting an actor who resembles and acts like Bond from the novels is not essential. He can be black, Asian, Chinese, Indian, hell - even a woman or a transvestite. Anything goes. As long as he can act great and look good in action sequences, this is the only deciding factor these days.

    This is the bizarre world we live in...
  • edited July 2022 Posts: 322
    Troy wrote: »
    I just want traditional classic Bond.

    PTS - Bond is on a mission, kills bad guy, beds the woman

    Main plot - Bond walks into M’s office, given thin paper folder, about (people?) smuggling, told to sort it out. Given gadget. Investigates smuggling, finds out there is a threat to worlds energy supply by famous megalomaniac, kills bad guy, blows up his HQ, leaves with woman. Can be brooding.

    Nice and simple. No betrayal. No children. No daddy issues. No sibling rivalry. No resignations. No female 00s. Just sex and death.

    I like that you thought female 00's was the problem...

    I just don’t see a female 00 as credible. Can you imagine them hand fighting henchmen? It’s bad enough on tv shows, where a 8 stone (110 lb) female police officer grabs a 15 stone (210 lb) thug and twists his arm up his back, without that kind of nonsense in a 007 movie.
    Also, we were delighted when we saw Craig Bond looking battered and bruised in Casino Royale - but do we really want to see a female 00 beaten up by a henchman?
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