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  • Posts: 6,142
    That’d be cool! I can see it more as an inciting incident rather than necessarily part of the villain’s main caper (in a similar way the Faberge eggs are a way of getting OP’s plot going). But I like it.
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    007HallY wrote: »
    That’d be cool! I can see it more as an inciting incident rather than necessarily part of the villain’s main caper (in a similar way the Faberge eggs are a way of getting OP’s plot going). But I like it.

    I must say, I quite like when a first crime lead to the discovery of a bigger crime, when a seemingly small but unpleasant incident leads to a sinister conspiracy. Or even better: when something already sinister and catastrophic happens but leads to something even more grievous.
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    That’d be cool! I can see it more as an inciting incident rather than necessarily part of the villain’s main caper (in a similar way the Faberge eggs are a way of getting OP’s plot going). But I like it.

    I must say, I quite like when a first crime lead to the discovery of a bigger crime, when a seemingly small but unpleasant incident leads to a sinister conspiracy. Or even better: when something already sinister and catastrophic happens but leads to something even more grievous.

    I know what you mean! Like, you just know that art burglary in a Bind film is going to escalade into a madman wanting to blow up a major city or something.
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    007HallY wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    That’d be cool! I can see it more as an inciting incident rather than necessarily part of the villain’s main caper (in a similar way the Faberge eggs are a way of getting OP’s plot going). But I like it.

    I must say, I quite like when a first crime lead to the discovery of a bigger crime, when a seemingly small but unpleasant incident leads to a sinister conspiracy. Or even better: when something already sinister and catastrophic happens but leads to something even more grievous.

    I know what you mean! Like, you just know that art burglary in a Bind film is going to escalade into a madman wanting to blow up a major city or something.

    Might be too close to OP, but how about someone stole the jewels of the crown, Bond is sent on a mission after the thieves, looking also for their potential customers/buyers. Turns out the thieves are not selling the jewels, they're giving them as payment to another criminal for a service (obviously something big, like using a nuke or similar).
  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
    edited 7:23pm Posts: 782
    How about Bond not falling head over heals in love, not being betrayed, not quiting his job and not dying?

    I think that would be a good start
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    Seve wrote: »
    How about Bond not falling head over heals in love, not being betrayed, not quiting his job and not dying?

    I think that would be a good start

    I know you're speaking in hest, but you can't define with negatives. Sure, Bond can't find in love every movie, but that doesn't give us anything: you still need to define the kind of relationship (if any) he has with the Bond Girl(s). Betrayal is a pretty wide and at times concept, especially in the espionage world. There's elements of betrayal and double crossing in DN, FRWL, LALD, TLD, LTK, GE and that's at the top of my head. Not quitting is job, that's great, so now what to do with his job once we agree that he won't resign this time?
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    007HallY wrote: »
    That’d be cool! I can see it more as an inciting incident rather than necessarily part of the villain’s main caper (in a similar way the Faberge eggs are a way of getting OP’s plot going). But I like it.

    Very cool! And funny enough, when I read about the heist, I also thought “Bond”!!
  • edited 8:29pm Posts: 6,142
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Seve wrote: »
    How about Bond not falling head over heals in love, not being betrayed, not quiting his job and not dying?

    I think that would be a good start

    I know you're speaking in hest, but you can't define with negatives. Sure, Bond can't find in love every movie, but that doesn't give us anything: you still need to define the kind of relationship (if any) he has with the Bond Girl(s). Betrayal is a pretty wide and at times concept, especially in the espionage world. There's elements of betrayal and double crossing in DN, FRWL, LALD, TLD, LTK, GE and that's at the top of my head. Not quitting is job, that's great, so now what to do with his job once we agree that he won't resign this time?

    I know - I'm pretty sure Bond gets betrayed in some form in most movies! TSWLM, TB, YOLT, DAD, DN, TWINE, OP, to name a few others.

    He did tend to fall in love quite a bit in a fair few of the Fleming novels. Honestly, I like a good, tangible relationship between Bond and the leading lady whatever way. Falling in love with two women during the Craig era seems fine for me story wise. Whatever works.

    Quitting his job... I guess he does so twice in NTTD/SP and briefly in CR? More than the average for Bond eras perhaps (except OHMSS and I guess NSNA, and both resignations were pretty pathetic by comparison).

    I'm sure Bond won't die in the next era. I agree at any rate that he shouldn't do so moving forward... otherwise that was a pretty poor original post ;)
  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
    edited 9:10pm Posts: 782
    Ludovico wrote: »
    I know you're speaking in jest, but you can't define with negatives. Sure, Bond can't find in love every movie, but that doesn't give us anything:

    Yes, but I think in the case of a character who has been around as long as James Bond, I can also argue that you can use them as a valid starting point

    After 25 movies Bond has probably been through just about every emotional permutation that anyone can imagine, so it can be a matter of deciding which combination of already existing elements in the toolbox to leave out and which to include in the next iteration

    There's nothing inherrently wrong with "True Love", "Betrayal" or "Disillusionment" as plot elements, other than that they have featured so prominently during the Craig-Bond era and been recycled often enough in recent times, that I think they are due for a rest.
    Ludovico wrote: »
    you still need to define the kind of relationship (if any) he has with the Bond Girl(s). Betrayal is a pretty wide and at times concept, especially in the espionage world. There's elements of betrayal and double crossing in DN, FRWL, LALD, TLD, LTK, GE and that's at the top of my head. Not quitting is job, that's great, so now what to do with his job once we agree that he won't resign this time?

    Sure, Bond should be attracted to women, but not commit to a lifelong relationship for a while. Bond can be mislead by villains and their minions, but not be betrayed by anyone close to him for a while. Bond should have faith in his country and the agency for a change and they can be shown to act in good faith toward him. In the real World not every politician and bureaucrat is self serving and corrupt and sometimes government and civil service can be on the same page, rather than conspiring against each other.

    However what is really needed is a story concept which puts the mission front and centre, rather than being merely a hat-rack upon which to hang Bond's personal dramas

    Something more compelling than cornering the market in water in Bolivia.
    In that regard I felt NTTD was very close, but they alowed the "Grand Scheme" element to be overshadowed and obscured by the "Personal Revenge" element.
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