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However, in that instance I would actually bring back Fleming’s MI6 crew with Miles M, Major Boothroyd, etc. Heck, make Mary Goodnight a recurring character standing in for Moneypenny’s role.
As someone who adores The Last Jedi and rates it the exact same score as No Time to Die (9.5/10), I have a feeling you'll be very happy with NTTD if you like TLJ. I initially gave TLJ a 10/10 but some minor issues on repeat viewings resulted in me taking off half a point; if the same should happen with NTTD, that's more than alright, but I have the strangest feeling the opposite is more likely once I see it a second and third time next week.
Well we know now that the rumors about Danny Boyle leaving the project because of the fact that the producers wanted to "kill off Bond" were 100% true... so this has been in the works for a while. The producers were dedicated enough to the idea that they were willing to fire Danny Boyle over it. So yeah, they didn't "consider" shit.
Here's the 2018 article from The Sun that was brushed off as tabloid B.S. at the time:
Yes. I meant to say Tom Holland in my post.. Not Andrew Garfield. The way Marvel handled Holland as Spider-Man was my thinking for the new Bond. But its gonna be a mess though especially if they retain the same actors for M, Q and Moneypenny. Will be one heck of a mind trip that's for sure.
Wow. Suddenly that doesn't seem so much of a BS. I don't blame Danny Boyle for leaving. I would've done the same thing. Only thing I hated was the ending.
IMO, Barbara and Michael are putting themselves in a rough spot with that ending. Very bold. Very ambitious.
So, let’s say that someone despised the Last Jedi. Gives it a 1/10 for example (not myself, just being hypothetical), how do you think they’d react to NTTD I’d they were a huge fan of Bond?
It was alright in Liverpool imax too. None of people booing or leaving. Just shell shock and me crying!!
I think what's upsetting me here is people gatekeeping other fans... please don't. We can like or dislike what we want. It doesn't make someone more or less of a fan. I'm sure we've all read Fleming, watched the other movies too, among other resources. It's simply wrong as I think you can argue either way that some of the things that happen in this movie could be considered within the confines of what Fleming wrote.
This movie is like marmite but please don't question how much someone loves James Bond because of their preference as thats why people are here. He's been a part of me since my childhood and I've carried that for thirty years. I'm sure you all have similar stories too.
I enjoyed the movie and would have changed the ending but it didn't completely ruin the movie for me either.
That's harder for me to figure out mainly because I haven't been able to really understand why the TLJ haters, uh... hate it :)) I know that's kind of a cop out, but what I was getting at more about people who love TLJ potentially loving NTTD is that I find people who love TLJ are okay with their franchises doing something different, and NTTD definitely does that.
Action - superb. Probably the best we've seen in the series.
Plot - fairly decent, keeps in line with Bond traditions
Craig - nails it, knocks it out of the park with his performance.
BUT (and a big but)....
The ending. I've never felt this disappointed watching a movie. It kills everything that was great leading up to it. So unnecessary. Cubby will be turning in his grave at what they've done to his franchise.
Why couldn't they have just had the balls to continue with the YOLT storyline right to the end. An amnesia ridden Bond, not knowing anymore who he is, lost and sailing off to Russia. That would still have given them the shock tragedy ending they were looking for, instead of the stupid dumbass thing they've done instead. You don't kill off a cash cow like this. There is nowhere to go now.
The franchise needs a serious overhaul after this, a complete reboot, including the backroom team, because they have clearly run out of steam.
Its the dumbest thing they've done to the franchise. How do you reboot now with a new actor? The film series has now lost all credibility in doing this.
Does Bond miraculously turn up in the next one like nothing happened? At least if they followed the YOLT ending (which is just as dramatic and tragic), there was a way to continue with the next film with TMWTGG opening.
I'm so angry at the ending. They've killed the franchise. They've killed the legacy. Fleming tried a couple of times but did just enough to leave the door open. Babs and co. should have followed this if they wanted to go down such a brave route.
This is the only way they can start the next film.
The woman at the opera is credited as his “girlfriend”.
The one coming back to the Tangier hotel was just Mr. White.
Makes sense to me that both father and daughter kept the truth about the mother to themselves. You don’t tell this sort of tragic traumatic things to strangers. Bond is even an enemy/assassin…
You literally just reboot the series with the next actor playing Bond and believe that the audience has the basic intelligence to understand that the Craig Bond films were their own continuity. It really is not difficult.
Still going to watch it as soon as possible (and probably multiple times, let's be real) but I'm going in with extremely low expectations because I don't think I'm going to fully enjoy the movie no matter how hard I try.
On the other hand, maybe it was for the best that I was spoiled the ending. I can't even imagine what a gut punch it would have been for me to watch it not knowing that was coming.
This is what it feels like after watching it. They didn't think that far ahead, or they would have used the ending to YOLT. At least it still gave them the shock tragedy ending, but left the door open for the next film and next actor.
It's almost as if Babs was so sold on Craig being her Bond, she couldn't see a future after his departure, so decided to burn it all to the ground in bitter anger.
It's something that didn't need to happen. There was another way of ending this in giving us the ending to YOLT. It was have tied up the Craig era nicely, starting with the Fleming origin story in CR, and ending it with YOLT (which was the closest we ever get to that kind of finale). They already started using material from that book, why not go the whole way?
It still would have been a sad and tragic ending, and still would have remained faithful to Fleming - yet still would have left the door open for a new actor.
Now we are back in another reboot territory again, only this time pissing off a lot of fans in what they've done with NTTD. Totally unnecessary.
This is exactly why I spoiled it for myself going in. If they didn't do it, I'd have been able to really enjoy the film, and at least I don't have to be disappointed in the moment this way.
That's how it felt last night, as I had convinced myself they were going with the YOLT ending. I never thought they would do this. It's made my so pissed off, that I'm actually now finding it hard to like any of the Craig era because of this. Irrational I know, and hopefully I calm down in a year or two.
He was hired by Safin after the Cuba massacre. That’s what is implied in the film.
So Swann big super hyped secret is that she had this encounter with the masked man? Doesn’t make sense given the fact that we know that from the very start. The true revelation, her secret is that she has Bond’s daughter. In some ways that is the secret that ultimately paves the way to his death…
What are those workers in red doing at the base? I get they work to produce a massive amount of this weapon but… how? All that poison garden stuff was pretty confused and pointless but maybe I missed something… why Blofeld wanted this garden from Safin’s dad?
I think you are right. I could never imagine Dalton, Brozza or Moore trying to pull this stunt. It's like Craig made sure he made it almost impossible for the series to continue in the normal fashion after one actor leaves and another starts.
Yes!! I kept hoping and hoping to see DC in a Risico movie. Just wasn’t in the cards I guess. One of the coolest names in the Bond universe , plus a great story. With some extra ingredients, and reworking, I think it could have been one of the best Bonds ever. Even if they just used the name, and not the original concept, but maybe a generalization of it. I hate the name No Time To Die (which was a lie-no rhyme intended).
However, I went in expecting to hate the film. I was absolutely livid and dreaded going. Then I went and I changed my mind. I really enjoyed the movie and even though the ending isn't to my taste it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. Your mileage will vary!
As for how they move on... it's just like any other franchise where they cast a new bloke. It's Bond and I think general pop who are not fans know this by now. I'm not sure what's hard to understand about it. We've been doing that for the past 60 years. Who is to say that bond doesn't drive off in one of the happier endings of a final outing and gets hit by a bus? He's human so he's capable of dying. That's life. I don't like that we saw it on screen but I'd say dying in service is a distinct possibility off screen too. Hopefully this helps to wrap your head around it. If not I'm not sure what to tell you other than James Bond will return...
This really a question directed at those who hold these sentiments rather than just you @jetsetwilly : Did you honestly believe that the next Bond actor would continue the version of Bond played by Craig, like how it used to be in the old days from Sean to Roger etc?
If you had that expectation cemented in, I can now understand the confusion and frustration. Personally, I had already prepared myself for the idea that Craig’s run would be completely self contained and not have any carry over so that Craig’s version would have a definitive ending. No more Ralph Fiennes, no more Naomie Harris, Ben Whishaw, etc. I never expected any of this cast to play the role until they literally dropped dead like Bernard Lee and Desmond Llewelyn.
I knew it was a possibility going in considering the whole Craig self contained angle. But the way they did it has just rubbed me the wrong way. A missile obliterating him from almost a POV angle of what he’s seeing? If they really wanted to go this route, I personally believe that a YOLT type of ending would have been satisfactory to more fans. Reading around various Bond forums, it seems that the fan base is around a 50/50 split about the way they did it.
Had bond escaped without being infected people would complain that he's gone to be a dad and live with his family.
Had bond managed to escape and get amnesia then everyone he touches gets infected and eventually madeleine and mathilde die. People would complain then too.
Instead bond dies and people complain anyway. I'd be interested to see the correlation between people who dislike the daughter aspect and the death aspect because I suspect there's nothing in this film that could have been done to make it better for you.
In that respect just wait for bond 26. That's the only thing I can tell you.
The problem is that a YOLT ending would have been more of a cliffhanger than a definitive ending. By giving Craig’s Bond a death, you not only complete his story but you allow the next Bond actor to forge on their own direction with zero baggage from Craig‘a run.