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OMG this guy nailed it and had me in bits!!!! :)) =))
No problem mate! :-bd
Someone send this to EON, pronto.
Not that I'm sure they need this. But they could have a laugh as well.
Which is, of course, the whole point. You can't honestly discuss a topic like The New Black Female 007 without getting into politics. Sexism and racism are inherently political matters. You can't discuss them without acknowledging what you're discussing.
But here's the thing: since none of us have actually SEEN the film yet, all we're doing is reacting according to our own prejudices. Oh boy, a NewBlackFemale007 or Oh how lame, a NewBlackFemale007. While it's certainly fun to exercise our emotions this way, please allow me to inject a little realism into the discussion: The James Bond franchise makes a whole lot of money for everyone concerned. Those responsible for continuing that franchise simply are not going to do anything to endanger the g00se that continues laying those golden eggs. On the other hand, simply repeating the tropes of the franchise over & over without putting any thought into what makes them work, is an obvious road-map into the sort of creative doldrums that would doom the series in the long run anyway.
The Craig tenure on the character has been quite successful in looking at James Bond 007 with fresh eyes. This is likely going to be Roger's final go-round as James Bond, so it only makes sense to offer the public what many have been clamoring for in the past few years: a black 007. No, a female 007. Oh hell, let's go for broke and combine them. It's a bit of a joke really, only some people take the joke seriously. How dare they take away our James Bond 007???
Well, they aren't. While my crystal ball is an imperfect tool at best, I can assure you: Bond 26 will feature a white male sexist misogynist dinosaur named James Bond with the code number of 007. (To be honest, I never thought of Bond as a misogynist, but you know what I mean...) James Bond will return, and those of you who are freaking out about this particular topic are only showing the rest of the world your own insecurities about the precarious state of White Male Privilege in the modern world. Ooops, there I go getting all political again. Can't have that...
But seriously, folks: There is a female version of Superman and has been for sixty years or so now. She's called Supergirl, and seems to be doing well enough without endangering the very existence of Superman. There have been a couple of Batwomen and several different Batgirls, while Batman still sells lots of comic books and movie tickets. The very concept of Dr. Who sort of requires that there should have been a female Doctor eventually. Anybody should be able to fit into and operate the Iron Man suit--male or female; black, white, or polka-dotted. And don't even get me started about Captain Marvel -- the REAL CM is a young boy who shouts "SHAZAM!" and turns into an adult super-hero. If you can accept that Marvel Comics needs to be the people who own and publish Captain Marvel then you've got no business griping about what form that imaginary entity may take.
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Too much common sense.
Well he simply isn't. A sexist or a mysogynist is a serious women hater who never get's any pussy (and then pretends that he doesn't want any). James Bond is a bit of a chauvinist at best, and that's why we love him (well i do). That's not gonna disappear. It can't. Though i would be totally ok with Bond marrying in the end of 25, for a one off. Much better ending than killing him.
And after all the s**t that CraigBond has been through he deserves some peace of mind (not that marriage will bring any, but you get the idea, a nice romantic ending like OP)
Honestly i would be much more worried about the state of affairs if it weren't for two facts:
1. Daniel Craig - That guy brought my favorite characterization of Bond to the screen. Yes he's darker, and contextualized Bond in a way that was never done before, but that also allowed him to make Bond more chauvinistic and forceful than Brosnan or Dalton could have ever gone. All the stuff he got to say to Vesper in CR, unthinkable before.
That guy will not pussy out in his last movie, not a chance in the world. All the progress he's made would have been nil.
2. Seriously WE HAVE BEEN HERE COUNTLESS TIMES.
TLD, LTK, GE, TWINE, CR, there are so many reactionary Bond films in the past 30 years already. All these films had some PC elements injected into them just to win some ground with the female crowd. And ALL OF THEM kept Bond's chauvinism intact.
TWINE for example was a deliberate push to get more women into the cinemas (as Apdet said on the BTS) Electra had a huge part, M had her biggest part yet, there was a deeper romance, they hired Apted because he was mostly known for strong female characters in his films (Nell, Gorillas in the Mist) that film was all about the females... and in the end? They still had a bimbo Bond girl in hotpants around, and Bond gets to kill the leading lady and throw out a dumb one liner afterwards :D.
If anything i expect B25 to be similar, sure they can have super duper confident independent female characters and whatnot (a Bond trope since 1964) but i want them to double down on Bond doing something messed up again, like the shower scene from SF (totally love that scene), just to piss off the snowflakes, and because it's in line with his character. He doesn't give a f**k. Like when he's trying to undress Moneypenny while she's shaving him.
It's a freaking MOVIE, it's not real life... otherwise it would not be entertaining.
About that. ;)
I like that picture, but it missed out 'is unable to sit down in boats'.
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I genuinely find it to be neither: I don't think it's even particularly notable. Bond's job has been taken since he left: that's not a surprising development to me. And him meeting another capable female spy is something we've seen a dozen times in Bond films: that they've put a slight spin on it that there's a woman in his job (rather than, say, Agent XXX's) is such a very slight riff on what we've seen loads of times before just doesn't really feel worth a long debate over. Yep, of course they'd do that: it makes sense.
That people think it's actually what's happening for the rest of the whole series is baffling to me: how did they deal with Licence To Kill being promoted as a film where Bond resigns from being 007 or, well, every other Bond film where he appears to end the film in a romantic clinch with the girl, suggesting he was going to stay with her forever?
Well that's all it's meant to be, a laugh, and a few of you have at least appreciated that this video is just too bloody funny!
Fine. Then EoN make a standalone BlackFemale007 movie, not screw Bond 25.
How do you know that they're going to "screw" Bond 25 before the movie has even been released? Some of us like to actually, y'know, WATCH a film before we try to critique it...
It's not about whether the movie will be weak or not.
And I'm not gonna watch it because I don't want.
And nobody's going to try to force you. Nor will many of us listen to you when you tell us how terrible it is...
Then why complain?
Hey, I resemble that remark!
And yet...
https://www.nme.com/news/music/listen-to-james-bond-the-new-single-from-iggy-pop-2533519#kQ63UG6xhAURIXJv.99
:)
That's the irony about the whole thing isn't it? All those people freaking out that oversensitive outraged feminists are taking their stuff away are... oversensitive and outraged, based on no evidence at all.
Eon doesn't even get to defend themselves, no trial, no hearing... Let's just go straight to execution... "Burn the witch!"
Because i read a 'headline'. From a tabloid. With no connection to the production whatsover.
I also love the Argument:
"Everyone is doing it right now! I'm sure they are doing it too!"
I'm not a lawyer but i don't think that's how this works :))
I think that's okay.
Because it's a forum and opinions are different. So there are here Grandpa and Lisa Simpsons. :) And I'm afraid James Bond is Apu.
Because I waited 4 years for this movie like you.
Unnecessarily.
I'm aware of what this is and what happens here, but that was not my point.
Surely your time would be better spent talking about the films you will be watching. rather than clogging up an interesting thread relevant to a film the rest of us will be watching?
I mean, everyone's entitled to their opinion (and conversely, everyone's entitled to call out that opinion out as bullshit) but repeating the same thing ad nauseam doesn't really endear you to anyone or enhance the discussion in any way. Forums are for discussion. There are plenty of threads on here for you to make a positive contribution to.
You're quite wrong here. In the Springfield Universe, 007's name is Simpson...BART Simpson. As shown in at least one issue of Simpson Comics, sorry I don't remember the precise issue number.
Sorry to have to be the one to explain this to you, but fan entitlement is not a real thing. No one OWES YOU any specific kind of Bond movie. Eon's going to do the best they can to satisfy as large an audience as possible. If you don't like what they offer this time around that's just too bad. Oh well. Can't win 'em all.
I wish I could think that way now, but for me Bond 25 is like the "No Good Read Goes Unpunished" episode.
You don't have to explain, I've fought these "battles" for a very long time on Star Wars forums. Just I was you then. :D
I'm not sure this will work now. Many people are outraged.
And it could even be a box-office bomb. Chances are low for this, but not impossible.
what more do you need than having Lea and Ana confirm to you that the film will have 'sex' and 'sexiness everywhere'? (don't wait to hear that on a marvel press junket anytime soon)
Personally i don't need much else.
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Oh, horsefeathers.
"Many people are outraged"??? Just like Faux News will tell you, "some people are saying..." This is vague and misleading phrasing, intended to impress the careless viewer with an immeasurable amount of public opinion that more than likely is just pulled out of the pundit's nether regions.
I'll see your immeasurable public opinion and raise you: "Many, many people are looking forward to seeing this bold new casting choice on the screen." There, my unquantifiable number of ticket buyers is double yours. Come on, man, we're all smarter than this...
Ok, then all people are waiting for this, except me. And I have a lot of profiles on youtube, facebook, twitter.