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  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Some are concerned a story element that deals with some form of genetic engineering and keep referring to it as “ sci-fi” . The truth is that what modern science is capable of is in many ways unbelievable . I absolutely believe if genetic engineering is a story element It will be handled responsibly and will be plausible.
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    Maybe this will be similar to DAD only done right?
  • Junglist_1985Junglist_1985 Los Angeles
    edited August 2021 Posts: 1,006
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Maybe this will be similar to DAD only done right?

    …the thought had occurred to me actually. It also feels like there’s something very Lewis Gilbert about NTTD too. Should be interesting blend with the whole Craig era.
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    Crackpot theory about Safin's origin (possible spoilers)
    So today I was listening to a video on the Japanese military program Unit 731, and it got me thinking, could Safin have been a researcher for Unit 731? I know it may sound stupid, but hear me out. So Unit 731 was a weapons program developed by the Japanese military during the Second World War with the aim of studying biological weapons (ie: pathogens, viruses, etc.). With what we've seen and heard about Safin's plan in No Time to Die, he seems to be using some sort of biological weapon in the vein of Unit 731 as well. While that may seem like something small to go off of, Safin himself seems to be fascinated with Japanese culture (ie: Noh Mask), and may be of partial Japanese descent himself and perhaps worked in the program. The tricky part however is how Safin has survived since World War II and still be able to look relatively young. Well, we've seen that Safin seems to have lived a lot longer than the average person (ie: staying the same age between Maddie as a kid and as an adult), so perhaps he's been able to prolong his life since the 40's/50's with gene therapy or something of that nature (which would explain his facial scarring). Along they way he could've met Blofeld and joined Spectre as well.

    Tell me what you guys think, it's a bit out there, and there may be some holes, but it's interesting none the less

    Definitely out there but would seem to fit with what we've seen in the trailers. It's weird how he seems to look older in the prologue scene. His face is far more mangled than it is later in the film.

    At first I thought maybe it was due to injuries he received from whatever broke the Noh Mask in half but that wouldn't explain why the injuries look like scars/wrinkles that are already healed or why they are present on both sides of his face, when only one side of the mask was broken.

    Also just a PSA. I would recommend treading very carefully if anyone cares to look up Unit 731. It's important to know about from a historical perspective but it's among the most evil and disgusting things I've ever read about what humans are capable of doing to each other. It will make you sick. The images and stories are beyond horrific.

    I remember Rami Malek said several times in interviews is that him and Cary wanted Safin to be "unsettling" and would brainstorm on how to portray that. So he's definitely not just some standard villain. There will be some kind of weird aspect to him.
  • TheNumberOrTheCipherTheNumberOrTheCipher Raoul Silva did a little trolling
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    talos7 wrote: »
    Some are concerned a story element that deals with some form of genetic engineering and keep referring to it as “ sci-fi” . The truth is that what modern science is capable of is in many ways unbelievable . I absolutely believe if genetic engineering is a story element It will be handled responsibly and will be plausible.

    I agree. I think the issue is that when people think of genetic engineering/cloning in movies and tv, they think of futuristic franchises like Star Wars, when in reality it could be feasible, although a lot more crude and less streamlined like what was done in Star Wars
  • edited August 2021 Posts: 6,677
    Genetic engineering and Artificial Intelligence only seem sci-fi because of regulations and fortunate moral impediments. Days from now the mention of these things will sound just like Q referencing the Global Positioning Satellite system as some sort of a futuristic gadget for Bond's 750iL ;)

    About redoing DUD right, well, it didn't work for DAF, it didn't work in 2002, and I hope they don't redo it in any way. I still suffer from PTSD from it. Any mention of Madonna, surf, space lasers and ice palaces gets me to a bad place. Now, doing MR right, the novel I mean, now that'd be something akin of doing YOLT right. But again, these are things for other threads.
  • TheNumberOrTheCipherTheNumberOrTheCipher Raoul Silva did a little trolling
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    ertert wrote: »
    Crackpot theory about Safin's origin (possible spoilers)
    So today I was listening to a video on the Japanese military program Unit 731, and it got me thinking, could Safin have been a researcher for Unit 731? I know it may sound stupid, but hear me out. So Unit 731 was a weapons program developed by the Japanese military during the Second World War with the aim of studying biological weapons (ie: pathogens, viruses, etc.). With what we've seen and heard about Safin's plan in No Time to Die, he seems to be using some sort of biological weapon in the vein of Unit 731 as well. While that may seem like something small to go off of, Safin himself seems to be fascinated with Japanese culture (ie: Noh Mask), and may be of partial Japanese descent himself and perhaps worked in the program. The tricky part however is how Safin has survived since World War II and still be able to look relatively young. Well, we've seen that Safin seems to have lived a lot longer than the average person (ie: staying the same age between Maddie as a kid and as an adult), so perhaps he's been able to prolong his life since the 40's/50's with gene therapy or something of that nature (which would explain his facial scarring). Along they way he could've met Blofeld and joined Spectre as well.

    Tell me what you guys think, it's a bit out there, and there may be some holes, but it's interesting none the less

    Definitely out there but would seem to fit with what we've seen in the trailers. It's weird how he seems to look older in the prologue scene. His face is far more mangled than it is later in the film.

    At first I thought maybe it was due to injuries he received from whatever broke the Noh Mask in half but that wouldn't explain why the injuries look like scars/wrinkles that are already healed or why they are present on both sides of his face, when only one side of the mask was broken.

    Also just a PSA. I would recommend treading very carefully if anyone cares to look up Unit 731. It's important to know about from a historical perspective but it's among the most evil and disgusting things I've ever read about what humans are capable of doing to each other. It will make you sick. The images and stories are beyond horrific.

    I remember Rami Malek said several times in interviews is that him and Cary wanted Safin to be "unsettling" and would brainstorm on how to portray that. So he's definitely not just some standard villain. There will be some kind of weird aspect to him.

    Good call with the PSA, I'll put one on my OG post as well
  • edited August 2021 Posts: 15,818
    I hope this Fukunaga managed to balance the tone for this film. Mixing a sci-fi style Bond epic with TV soap opera drama could end up a very mixed bag. On the other hand it could an epic emotional roller coaster adventure. One of the best films ever.
    When I saw the trailers for DAD my immediate impression was LTK done right. It might have actually ended up great under a different director, but that film's tone was all over the place.
    At least we'll finally get to see this one in a few weeks.
  • TheNumberOrTheCipherTheNumberOrTheCipher Raoul Silva did a little trolling
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    I hope this Fukunaga managed to balance the tone for this film. Mixing a sci-fi style Bond epic with TV soap opera drama could end up a very mixed bag. On the other hand it could an epic emotional roller coaster adventure. One of the best films ever.
    When I saw the trailers for DAD my immediate impression was LTK done right. It might have actually ended up great under a different director, but that film's tone was all over the place.
    At least we'll finally get to see this one in a few weeks.

    I think as long as they keep the sci-fi elements in some ground of reality and make the performances between Craig and Seydoux believable (as opposed to Spectre), I think it'll work out
  • Junglist_1985Junglist_1985 Los Angeles
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    Fukunaga’s films tend to have a slight dreamy/fantasy quality to them, but also feel visceral and intense. This is certainly reflected in the cinematography.

    I do think we are in for a treat, but something tells me the tone might end up being slightly uneven (ie. Octopussy). Either way, it’s going to be epic.
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    All grand finales tend to be impressive. I'm glad Craig's gonna get his. Let's hope it's for the better. I mean, which Bond had a really, really good last film? Lazenby? ;)
  • TheNumberOrTheCipherTheNumberOrTheCipher Raoul Silva did a little trolling
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    Univex wrote: »
    All grand finales tend to be impressive. I'm glad Craig's gonna get his. Let's hope it's for the better. I mean, which Bond had a really, really good last film? Lazenby? ;)

    LTK?

    EDIT: Unless you meant grand finale in terms of stakes in the story
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    Question is:
    Will NTTD follow the time honored tradition of a Bond actor's last film being their worst a'la DAF, AVTAK and DAD, or will this break new ground?
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    Univex wrote: »
    All grand finales tend to be impressive. I'm glad Craig's gonna get his. Let's hope it's for the better. I mean, which Bond had a really, really good last film? Lazenby? ;)

    LTK?

    EDIT: Unless you meant grand finale in terms of stakes in the story

    Given that Dalton only had two films, I have to choose TLD as the better film. Even considering it statistically, as LTK is a very divisive film amongst Bond fans. Calling LTK an impressively good film is, maybe, pushing it a tad to far. If LTK were far superior to TLD, my reasoning would be absolutely wrong, I admit it, but I think most fans will agree Dalton's first entry surpasses his second, and that was one of the (many, many) reasons why he didn't get to do a third one.

    Point being, if DC has a superb last film, that'll be a first in the Bond cannon, IMO.
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    Fukunaga’s films tend to have a slight dreamy/fantasy quality to them, but also feel visceral and intense. This is certainly reflected in the cinematography.

    I do think we are in for a treat, but something tells me the tone might end up being slightly uneven (ie. Octopussy). Either way, it’s going to be epic.

    Always think about "Sin nombre" with regards to your comment — a grim look at the reality of the consequences of the migration policies of the United States and the suffering it causes, but also this romantic tragedy of a man sick of killing and trying to do one good thing in his life. "Beasts of No Nation" too, all those bright colors and ethereal shots of the jungle contrasting to the bleak storyworld
  • TheNumberOrTheCipherTheNumberOrTheCipher Raoul Silva did a little trolling
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    Univex wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    All grand finales tend to be impressive. I'm glad Craig's gonna get his. Let's hope it's for the better. I mean, which Bond had a really, really good last film? Lazenby? ;)

    LTK?

    EDIT: Unless you meant grand finale in terms of stakes in the story

    Given that Dalton only had two films, I have to choose TLD as the better film. Even considering it statistically, as LTK is a very divisive film amongst Bond fans. Calling LTK an impressively good film is, maybe, pushing it a tad to far. If LTK were far superior to TLD, my reasoning would be absolutely wrong, I admit it, but I think most fans will agree Dalton's first entry surpasses his second, and that was one of the (many, many) reasons why he didn't get to do a third one.

    Point being, if DC has a superb last film, that'll be a first in the Bond cannon, IMO.

    That's reasonable. I've more veered towards LTK being Dalton's best, but that's subject to opinion. It's a shame we never got Dalton's third. From what I heard, it seemed interesting, although for those who don't really like sci-fi Bond plots, it makes NTTD's seem like Casino Royale lol
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    Univex wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    All grand finales tend to be impressive. I'm glad Craig's gonna get his. Let's hope it's for the better. I mean, which Bond had a really, really good last film? Lazenby? ;)

    LTK?

    EDIT: Unless you meant grand finale in terms of stakes in the story

    Given that Dalton only had two films, I have to choose TLD as the better film. Even considering it statistically, as LTK is a very divisive film amongst Bond fans. Calling LTK an impressively good film is, maybe, pushing it a tad to far. If LTK were far superior to TLD, my reasoning would be absolutely wrong, I admit it, but I think most fans will agree Dalton's first entry surpasses his second, and that was one of the (many, many) reasons why he didn't get to do a third one.

    Point being, if DC has a superb last film, that'll be a first in the Bond cannon, IMO.

    That's reasonable. I've more veered towards LTK being Dalton's best, but that's subject to opinion. It's a shame we never got Dalton's third. From what I heard, it seemed interesting, although for those who don't really like sci-fi Bond plots, it makes NTTD's seem like Casino Royale lol

    To me, LTK is one of three films that belong to the "Bond Paradox." They are objectively bad films and yet, because they are so bad, they are brilliant. DAF and TMWTGG are the other two.
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    Fukunaga’s films tend to have a slight dreamy/fantasy quality to them, but also feel visceral and intense. This is certainly reflected in the cinematography.

    I do think we are in for a treat, but something tells me the tone might end up being slightly uneven (ie. Octopussy). Either way, it’s going to be epic.

    Yeah the use of color and mood really stood out to me in the trailers. It has the hazy, sort of dreamlike vibe that a lot of Spectre had but with way more vibrant color. The brief shot of Bond standing in the doorway in the Matera hotel looks stunning.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
    edited August 2021 Posts: 4,247
    It might sound minor, but Barry's absence was really felt in LTK. As always, Dalton is brilliant, but I can only imagine what would have been, if Barry took TLD's spirit into LTK, collaborating with 80s Bands like Depeche Mode for LTK's theme song and score. Wow! That would have been something.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Question is:
    Will NTTD follow the time honored tradition of a Bond actor's last film being their worst a'la DAF, AVTAK and DAD, or will this break new ground?

    There's surely no way it'll be worse than SP for me, thankfully. Then again, I think the only Bond whose final official film is the weakest for me was Connery's DAF.
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    Contraband wrote: »

    Do you think it's the final trailer or just a cut for cinemas? In this case, would it be dropped online any time soon?
  • TheNumberOrTheCipherTheNumberOrTheCipher Raoul Silva did a little trolling
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    My bet is maybe Friday. It'll have been some time since NWH's trailer dropped and trailers tend to come on Fridays so who knows
  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
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    Contraband wrote: »

    Do you think it's the final trailer or just a cut for cinemas? In this case, would it be dropped online any time soon?

    I have no idea. I'm going back and forth with her info. It can be the old trailer she's describing or actually something new. I can't decide based on what she's writing.

    If it's the final trailer it will drop very soon. Maybe this friday on internet without warning.
  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
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    BTW: The new season of Graham Norton show should start sometime late sept. No word yet. Maybe Craig & co will be the first guests on ep. 1

    Knives Out 2 wraps this weekend so Craig will be free for interviews on every damn talkshow on the planet
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    Contraband wrote: »
    BTW: The new season of Graham Norton show should start sometime late sept. No word yet. Maybe Craig & co will be the first guests on ep. 1

    Knives Out 2 wraps this weekend so Craig will be free for interviews on every damn talkshow on the planet

    Realizing he will have shot two KO films before Bond 25 ever came out haha
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    BMB007 wrote: »
    Contraband wrote: »
    BTW: The new season of Graham Norton show should start sometime late sept. No word yet. Maybe Craig & co will be the first guests on ep. 1

    Knives Out 2 wraps this weekend so Craig will be free for interviews on every damn talkshow on the planet

    Realizing he will have shot two KO films before Bond 25 ever came out haha

    Perhaps Barbara and Michael could look at the KNIVES OUT franchise for inspiration? We may get more Bond films that way.
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    BMB007 wrote: »
    Contraband wrote: »
    BTW: The new season of Graham Norton show should start sometime late sept. No word yet. Maybe Craig & co will be the first guests on ep. 1

    Knives Out 2 wraps this weekend so Craig will be free for interviews on every damn talkshow on the planet

    Realizing he will have shot two KO films before Bond 25 ever came out haha

    Perhaps Barbara and Michael could look at the KNIVES OUT franchise for inspiration? We may get more Bond films that way.

    I mean, every delay after April 2020 can't be blamed on them — unless EON secretly developed the novel coronavirus as an elaborate marketing ploy.

    And I'd rather have a good, but delayed film than one sooner that's bad.

    Not to mention that it's far easier to film a cheaper "old dark house" murder mystery than a massive, multinational blockbuster.
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    BMB007 wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    BMB007 wrote: »
    Contraband wrote: »
    BTW: The new season of Graham Norton show should start sometime late sept. No word yet. Maybe Craig & co will be the first guests on ep. 1

    Knives Out 2 wraps this weekend so Craig will be free for interviews on every damn talkshow on the planet

    Realizing he will have shot two KO films before Bond 25 ever came out haha

    Perhaps Barbara and Michael could look at the KNIVES OUT franchise for inspiration? We may get more Bond films that way.

    I mean, every delay after April 2020 can't be blamed on them — unless EON secretly developed the novel coronavirus as an elaborate marketing ploy.

    And I'd rather have a good, but delayed film than one sooner that's bad.

    Not to mention that it's far easier to film a cheaper "old dark house" murder mystery than a massive, multinational blockbuster.

    Very true. I really wouldn't mind a low key Bond film next time out, though.
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    BMB007 wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    BMB007 wrote: »
    Contraband wrote: »
    BTW: The new season of Graham Norton show should start sometime late sept. No word yet. Maybe Craig & co will be the first guests on ep. 1

    Knives Out 2 wraps this weekend so Craig will be free for interviews on every damn talkshow on the planet

    Realizing he will have shot two KO films before Bond 25 ever came out haha

    Perhaps Barbara and Michael could look at the KNIVES OUT franchise for inspiration? We may get more Bond films that way.

    I mean, every delay after April 2020 can't be blamed on them — unless EON secretly developed the novel coronavirus as an elaborate marketing ploy.

    And I'd rather have a good, but delayed film than one sooner that's bad.

    Not to mention that it's far easier to film a cheaper "old dark house" murder mystery than a massive, multinational blockbuster.

    Very true. I really wouldn't mind a low key Bond film next time out, though.

    Same, perhaps with a new actor they'll be more apt to make something smaller. Always have been intrigued by the idea of stretching out the beginning of "Die Another Day" to a whole film — Bond, alone and overseas, ending up in prison and having to break his way out. Would be very risky, but would be cheap!
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Or that's the short feature they should have filmed and released during the pandemic. Easy.
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