No Time to Die production thread (MINOR SPOILERS ALLOWED)

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  • edited November 2019 Posts: 2,984
    @bondsum given they even did test screening for Brolin for OP, was there any indication that they were looking at more actors for AVTAK ? Of all the latter Moore films that’s the only one I haven’t read information on regarding replacement actors. My personal theory was that EON went back to Moore for AVTAK as a victory lap for outdoing NSNA at the box office.
    Not that I’m aware. I think by 1984 Moore realized he no longer held all the playing cards so was quick to jump at the chance to play Bond one last time and get a big pay day. His age really was beginning to show and the papers were already saying he was too long in the tooth to be Bond. Considering the writers had already written a scene with Barbara Bach as Major Anya Amasova, they clearly knew Moore was coming back, unlike Bach, who declined and was replaced by Fiona Fullerton as Pola Ivanova. I’m afraid I don’t share the same fond memories of the latter Moore years as some do here. I really wished Moore had been replaced after MR with someone younger (as discussed on other threads) as I didn’t particularly relish going to see another Bond movie with Moore and the whole audience laughing at Bond (for all the wrong reasons) rather than with him.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython https://007homemedia.blogspot.com
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    I used to feel that way, thinking MR was not only a perfect end for the more comedic tone of the 70s but with Moore leaving with his biggest film. However I’ve come to appreciate Moore’s presence in FYEO and OP, and was certainly necessary in the latter as I think any newbie would have not been given a fair shake under the shadow of Connery. In a way, MR, FYEO, and OP each feel like proper denouements for Moore.

    However, his return in AVTAK was unnecessary, and even he eventually felt he stuck for one film too many.
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    Getafix wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    I'd rather see him bow out a bit too early than too late.

    I don't subscribe to this view. Rog would only have done 4 and we'd have lots OP and FYEO if he'd left after MR as mooted at the time.

    Well all of those are fine, and OP would have made a fantastic final film but AVTAK was one film to far. It was more than obvious that he was too old looking at that point.

    And if AVTAK had been a classic, what then? I still like it anyway.

    Should Connery have quit after GF? His last 3 are certainly nowhere near as good as his first 3 but I'm still glad we have them.

    My view is that if you have a good Bond you keep cranking them out until the doors literally fall off and then you reboot.

    And the previous actor going out on a relative dud helps the next guy look better.
    But AVTAK wasn’t a classic as many had expected at the time. It didn’t even go into profit until 10 years later, much like the Dalton Bonds that followed.

    The fundamental flaw by comparing Connery’s GF to Moore’s last 3 Bond movies is that Bond was at its peak along with its star and creative team in 1965 (and with YOLT in 67), plus Connery was signed on for a further 3 Bond pictures after GF, unlike Moore after TSWLM, who played it movie-by-movie to get more money out of Broccoli and co. Interest in Bond was waning at the BO after MR, and would continue in a downward trajectory until Brosnan’s GE. The Battle of The Bonds brought some good publicity to OP, but ultimately it was short-lived. Like him or loathe him, Brosnan really did revive the ailing fortunes of Bond at the BO, for which the blame can be laid squarely at the goofy Bonds of the early eighties, MR being the start of the fallout in mid ‘79 when audiences realized it was just one giant piss-take after spending their money. Yes, I know some here like the Carry On Bonds, but I was never a fan, always hopeful that Cubby would come round and make a more serious Bond again. Little did I know then that I had a long wait.
  • edited November 2019 Posts: 2,446
    I just heard on the radio that when Henry Cavill auditioned for Casino Royale, he was told that he was a little fat. Obviously he has ripped up since then. He said that being told this motivated him to do so.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe JK ROFLing
    edited November 2019 Posts: 7,072
    I think the next Bond actor will be announced in 2022 to mark the 60th anniversary. But before that there will be a lot of upheaval for many months. It's easy to forget, but Bond has essentially been run by the same people since before 2006.
  • DeerAtTheGatesDeerAtTheGates Belgium
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    Bentley007 wrote: »

    That interview has been featured in multiple Belgian magazines throughout the week. It's exactly the same as the interview he gave to the Sunday Times. HLN makes it seem like they have an exclusive, but they don't.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Bentley007 wrote: »

    That interview has been featured in multiple Belgian magazines throughout the week. It's exactly the same as the interview he gave to the Sunday Times. HLN makes it seem like they have an exclusive, but they don't.

    Yes, @DeerAtTheGates, HLN usually doesn't know -- or pretends not to know -- what's really going on. I hate that tabloid (because that's what it is, a tabloid at best). But it's a fun little article.
  • 00Heaven00Heaven Home
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    I don't see DC returning after this one. End of an era. My main concern is that there's very few that I see as fitting the mould out there currently. Of course, just my opinion, but there it is.
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    00Heaven wrote: »
    I don't see DC returning after this one. End of an era. My main concern is that there's very few that I see as fitting the mould out there currently. Of course, just my opinion, but there it is.

    Agreed, @00Heaven... That's why I really am taking every second of these final months and quietly enjoying them. Realizing this film is almost an absolute certainty to be Craig's last, it feels as if one has poured a glass of fine scotch where one slowly sips at it-- never wanting it to be done, although, sadly, it's inevitable...
  • edited November 2019 Posts: 3,642
    Bentley007 wrote: »

    Great interview.....essentially Craig confirms that NTTD is his finale:
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    We were one of the first to talk to Daniel Craig (51) about his latest Bond film: "My bones are starting to crack"
    After fifteen years and five Bond films, Daniel Craig is now really on the hook. Although the recordings of 'No Time to Die' were only completed three weeks ago and the film will only be available in cinemas with us from the beginning of April, we already managed to get the British actor into an exclusive conversation. "I had a particularly hard time saying goodbye to colleagues."

    Editorial November 20, 2019 00:00
    'It's a wrap. We'll see you in the cinema in April 2020, "was recently read on the official 007 Twitter account. In the tweet a photo of Daniel Craig, posing in a tuxedo and a thick winter coat next to director Cari Joji Fukunaga. In Craig's hands: the very last folding sign of 'No Time to Die'. This was it. This time for real, because the actor made headlines four years ago when he said he would rather cut his wrists than shoot a fifth Bond film. He didn't feel like it anymore and was ready for a rest, but he was 'stuck' because he had already signed the contract for the new film.

    Craig takes those statements back during our interview in Los Angeles without hesitation. "I am really, really happy to have added one more film. It was terribly hard work, but the other four were also. Bond is a gigantic production that countless people have worked on. I think I have them miss most of all. "

    Worked together for thirty years
    Craig says he had to say goodbye to people he knew even before his Bond era. "I have worked with some for over thirty years, that is how long I have been in Hollywood. Five films, that is a lot, and it is therefore inevitable that you get a close bond with those guys. Saying goodbye is very difficult for me I know that someday I will meet them somewhere on a set, but that is something else. "

    Although 'No Time to Die' will only be available in cinemas in six months' time, the film has already completed an exceptionally turbulent route. For example, a new director had to be found twice, the filmmakers did not even get to know the script and an explosion caused a part of the set to collapse and a crew member to be injured. It became the most expensive Bond print ever, with a budget of no less than 250 million euros, about five million more than predecessor 'Specter' from 2015. Moreover, Craig was also seriously injured in his ankles. It is by far the most cursed film in the history of the series, although the protagonist tries to put it all into perspective. "Oh well, I got injured with every Bond movie. That's just part of it."


    3A large part of the scenes was filmed in the southern Italian city of Matera ...
    Photo NewsA large part of the scenes was filmed in the southern Italian city of Matera ...
    Three possible endings
    The last recordings took place in Matera, a rocky city in the southern Italian region of Basilicata, which is sometimes called the cultural capital of Europe. Craig says he couldn't have imagined a better location for the latest film. "The city plays a very important role in the film, making it a character in itself. The opening scene is also set there."

    Where and how 'No Time to Die' will end, however, remains a mystery to everyone. For example, a British newspaper recently reported that the outcome is so secret that even Craig does not know him. According to the newspaper, Fukunaga would have filmed three possible endings, so that the climax would not leak.

    And what does a Bond actor do when the recordings are finally over? "The film was canned on Friday night, and I was already on the beach on Monday morning," laughs Craig. "I lay down there and I lay down for hours. I could just as well have taken a walk, but after such a long and tiring shoot I was really ready for a satisfying holiday."

    Hollywood would not be Hollywood, should a plottwist turn up somewhere, so we ask whether it is really the last time that we will see Craig as Bond. (determined) "Yes. We must be able to give other actors the chance to play Bond, too. (laughs) It may be hard to believe, but I really liked James Bond. It was one of the most intense things I've done it. But it takes a lot of energy. And I'm getting old. My bones are starting to crack. "

    3 ... known for its rock dwellings. "The city is a character in itself," said Craig.
    Photo News ... known for its rock dwellings. "The city is a character in itself," said Craig.
    Grumbler
    Craig talks fast, honest and funny. Fully at ease. Surprising, because during earlier meetings he often took a closed position. Moreover, more than one paparazzi photo is circulating on which he sticks out his middle finger. Cr
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited November 2019 Posts: 4,158
    peter wrote: »
    00Heaven wrote: »
    I don't see DC returning after this one. End of an era. My main concern is that there's very few that I see as fitting the mould out there currently. Of course, just my opinion, but there it is.

    Agreed, @00Heaven... That's why I really am taking every second of these final months and quietly enjoying them. Realizing this film is almost an absolute certainty to be Craig's last, it feels as if one has poured a glass of fine scotch where one slowly sips at it-- never wanting it to be done, although, sadly, it's inevitable...

    +1, and a nice analogy.
  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
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    The last recordings took place in Matera, a rocky city in the southern Italian region of Basilicata, which is sometimes called the cultural capital of Europe. Craig says he couldn't have imagined a better location for the latest film. "The city plays a very important role in the film, making it a character in itself. The opening scene is also set there."
    I think that's very interesting: pts in Matera, but more of the city later in the film ?
  • DeerAtTheGatesDeerAtTheGates Belgium
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Bentley007 wrote: »

    That interview has been featured in multiple Belgian magazines throughout the week. It's exactly the same as the interview he gave to the Sunday Times. HLN makes it seem like they have an exclusive, but they don't.

    Yes, @DeerAtTheGates, HLN usually doesn't know -- or pretends not to know -- what's really going on. I hate that tabloid (because that's what it is, a tabloid at best). But it's a fun little article.

    They clearly know, @DarthDimi. While HLN and Humo are part of the same group, Humo published exactly the same interview this week (same translations), but did credit the source (Sunday Times). HLN didn't.

    The original source for the interview is this one: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/daniel-craig-interview-the-james-bond-actor-on-his-new-comedy-knives-out-phoebe-waller-bridge-the-problem-with-social-media-and-why-hes-not-grumpy-tzh6h538m (Subscription needed)
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ocean Club, Bahamas.
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Bentley007 wrote: »

    That interview has been featured in multiple Belgian magazines throughout the week. It's exactly the same as the interview he gave to the Sunday Times. HLN makes it seem like they have an exclusive, but they don't.

    Yes, @DeerAtTheGates, HLN usually doesn't know -- or pretends not to know -- what's really going on. I hate that tabloid (because that's what it is, a tabloid at best). But it's a fun little article.

    They clearly know, @DarthDimi. While HLN and Humo are part of the same group, Humo published exactly the same interview this week (same translations), but did credit the source (Sunday Times). HLN didn't.

    The original source for the interview is this one: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/daniel-craig-interview-the-james-bond-actor-on-his-new-comedy-knives-out-phoebe-waller-bridge-the-problem-with-social-media-and-why-hes-not-grumpy-tzh6h538m (Subscription needed)

    They just copy pasted it, as usual.

    And what's with all this "TREE ENDINGZ ZOIKS" talk again.
  • 00Agent00Agent Royal Beluga. North of the Caspian.
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    A tabloid that's lying for a living?!
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  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    peter wrote: »
    00Heaven wrote: »
    I don't see DC returning after this one. End of an era. My main concern is that there's very few that I see as fitting the mould out there currently. Of course, just my opinion, but there it is.

    Agreed, @00Heaven... That's why I really am taking every second of these final months and quietly enjoying them. Realizing this film is almost an absolute certainty to be Craig's last, it feels as if one has poured a glass of fine scotch where one slowly sips at it-- never wanting it to be done, although, sadly, it's inevitable...

    +1, and a nice analogy.

    +2
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    The difference with DAD is that after that film, it was heavily speculated that Brosnan would return for a fifth as a matter of course. I guess none of us ever felt, during the production of DAD, that any unhappy sentiments regarding Brosnan's future as 007 were at that point relevant. But with Craig, we've known all along that NTTD would be his last. Looking forward to this film is, to a Craig fan like myself, a double-edged sword; I can't wait for it, but I understand that this is the end of an era. That always invites melancholy.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I know there are those who disagree, but I firmly believe that if Daniel had made it absolutely clear to Barbara that this is his last, that in some form, work, including casting a new Bond has begun.
  • DeerAtTheGatesDeerAtTheGates Belgium
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    talos7 wrote: »
    I know there are those who disagree, but I firmly believe that if Daniel had made it absolutely clear to Barbara that this is his last, that in some form, work, including casting a new Bond has begun.

    There's only one catch to this theory, but it's a big one. In order for EON to be looking for a new Bond already, the producers have to be absolutely convinced that Craig won't return, or that they can't possibly convince Craig to return.

    He might've said he's done, and that's absolutely true at the moment. But EON/BB might consider the idea that Craig might change his mind. If BB thinks "Well, he's saying that he won't do another one, but if I ask him again after he had a large break, maybe he says yes", she won't be looking for another Bond. She'll be doing other films, maybe cast Craig in another play, and ask him again in two years time.

    If EON and Craig have come to an understanding, why aren't they upfront about it? Craig is the only one who's upfront in saying he won't do another one. EON? No sir. "Daniel Craig's fifth outing as Bond", not "his last". Nothing in the promotion of NTTD screams "This is the conclusion to the story." Craig has said it is, but EON isn't using it as a selling point. They're not even acknowledging it.

    Instead, what have we got? BB vaguely denying that this is Daniel's last film. I fear she's not ready to let him go, and will ask him back for Bond 26.
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
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    I think if Daniel is done, Babs will also be done; well not completely, but she's going to be taking a backseat. I'm curious what's going to happen going forward post-Craig. Is it a possibility that they might sell off the Bond to someone else? I think so. The very slow burn to get just this film ablaze has me convinced. And with Craig off the project, just imagine how much harder it'll be next time.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    talos7 wrote: »
    I know there are those who disagree, but I firmly believe that if Daniel had made it absolutely clear to Barbara that this is his last, that in some form, work, including casting a new Bond has begun.

    There's only one catch to this theory, but it's a big one. In order for EON to be looking for a new Bond already, the producers have to be absolutely convinced that Craig won't return, or that they can't possibly convince Craig to return.

    He might've said he's done, and that's absolutely true at the moment. But EON/BB might consider the idea that Craig might change his mind. If BB thinks "Well, he's saying that he won't do another one, but if I ask him again after he had a large break, maybe he says yes", she won't be looking for another Bond. She'll be doing other films, maybe cast Craig in another play, and ask him again in two years time.

    If EON and Craig have come to an understanding, why aren't they upfront about it? Craig is the only one who's upfront in saying he won't do another one. EON? No sir. "Daniel Craig's fifth outing as Bond", not "his last". Nothing in the promotion of NTTD screams "This is the conclusion to the story." Craig has said it is, but EON isn't using it as a selling point. They're not even acknowledging it.

    Instead, what have we got? BB vaguely denying that this is Daniel's last film. I fear she's not ready to let him go, and will ask him back for Bond 26.

    Oh yes, there would have to be absolutely no ambiguity concerning Daniel’s status.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython https://007homemedia.blogspot.com
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    Even if Craig died right this moment, I doubt EON would promote it as his last.
  • edited November 2019 Posts: 79
    talos7 wrote: »
    I know there are those who disagree, but I firmly believe that if Daniel had made it absolutely clear to Barbara that this is his last, that in some form, work, including casting a new Bond has begun.

    There's only one catch to this theory, but it's a big one. In order for EON to be looking for a new Bond already, the producers have to be absolutely convinced that Craig won't return, or that they can't possibly convince Craig to return.

    He might've said he's done, and that's absolutely true at the moment. But EON/BB might consider the idea that Craig might change his mind. If BB thinks "Well, he's saying that he won't do another one, but if I ask him again after he had a large break, maybe he says yes", she won't be looking for another Bond. She'll be doing other films, maybe cast Craig in another play, and ask him again in two years time.

    If EON and Craig have come to an understanding, why aren't they upfront about it? Craig is the only one who's upfront in saying he won't do another one. EON? No sir. "Daniel Craig's fifth outing as Bond", not "his last". Nothing in the promotion of NTTD screams "This is the conclusion to the story." Craig has said it is, but EON isn't using it as a selling point. They're not even acknowledging it.

    Instead, what have we got? BB vaguely denying that this is Daniel's last film. I fear she's not ready to let him go, and will ask him back for Bond 26.

    I think this is really interesting, but any big franchise will have casting directors working behind the scenes. If you think back, there was always a plausible list of actors (many screen-tested), waiting in the wings. When it's such a big machine, there's always conversations happening with potential suitors and history books around Bond prove E.ON do this. I do agree that it's never over until it's over and if it was a massive smash hit they might do anything to entice Craig back. (Barbara making an offer DC couldn't pass).

    Critically though, look what happened when Sam Mendes was largely bullied into coming back, we ended up with Spectre. Which, I think most fans would agree is a muddled film lacking the emotional depth and narrative cohesion of Skyfall.

    I think Craig knows it's time to pass the baton. I think he's sad about it - but all good things come to an end - it's possible he might feel such ownership of the role that he'd want to come back as an executive producer. Stranger things have happened - never say never (again)!
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    Eon aren’t doing anything the rest of 2020. I’m sure they’re exhausted after this production.

    I don’t know if I believe the reported 250 mil dollar budget. This film seems smaller scale than Spectre
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited November 2019 Posts: 1,758
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    Eon aren’t doing anything the rest of 2020. I’m sure they’re exhausted after this production.

    This film seems smaller scale than Spectre

    Since is at Pinewood where budget dies, as Mendes said, we genuinely cannot know that.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython https://007homemedia.blogspot.com
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    If NTTD turns out to be as good as CR and SF, I think that will give Craig even more incentive to bow out so that he left on a high note. Even though SP was initially designed to work as a possible ending of his run, he never seemed all that certain whether it actually would be his last. Contrast to NTTD, where he seems much more confident in the idea of leaving the role. And remember, he said as far back as Sep 2017 when he announced he would be back for a fifth film that he hoped to go off on a high note.
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    That was a long time ago. The film better be a near masterpiece for how long it’s taken
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    Even if Craig died right this moment, I doubt EON would promote it as his last.

    Especially with the way technology evolved; they may have Craig play Bond for the next 100 years.
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    ggl007 wrote: »
    The last recordings took place in Matera, a rocky city in the southern Italian region of Basilicata, which is sometimes called the cultural capital of Europe. Craig says he couldn't have imagined a better location for the latest film. "The city plays a very important role in the film, making it a character in itself. The opening scene is also set there."
    I think that's very interesting: pts in Matera, but more of the city later in the film ?

    I feel like all these locations are used more then once like Norway maybe Jamaica.
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