NTTD Gun Barrel Sequence OOO O O O

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  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I'm fine with the CR gun barrel being unique to that film, serving as a transition to the title sequence.

    After that, they really should have just returned to the classic Binder design altogether. MK12's reinvention for QOS was a rather generic design that lacked style. I've loved Daniel Kleinman's contributions to the Bond series, but his own reinvention featured in SF wasn't really the great, and he must have known it was underwhelming since for SP he went right back to the Binder design, albeit a more streamlined version.

    Would love to see fan edits of the QOS/SF gun barrels inserting footage of Craig into the classic Binder design. You just can't beat the classic Binder design. Ultimately, I'm glad both MK12 and Binder gave their own stab at reinventing it because it does bring out a lot of interesting discussions regarding this one small aspect of the Bond films. It's just 15 seconds, but it has a big impact.
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    mtm wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    Yeah that's actually an interesting question, whether the gunbarrel will be in full IMAX 1.43:1 format. Or maybe have it in scope 2.40 then have the white dot open up to the full height image...would really be quite damn effective

    Now that could be interesting. Very well thought out, @antovolk.
    mtm wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    Huh, and I liked it a lot when they did touches like that. I always appreciate a new gun barrel doing its own thing. Not always (CGI bullet in DAD), but it gives us something different and new to talk about.

    One thing I do hope they retain from the SP gun barrel is having the lights go dark and making Craig's figure into a silhouette. THAT was the best touch that had been done for a gun barrel in a very long time.

    I really liked that particular detail.

    Regarding the music, you guys are completely right, although they did get it right in QOS, albeit to fast and with that terrible animation.

    The thing I did love about the QoS one was that they brought back the triangle!
    Jangling away as Bond walked along it really made me think of Roger :)

    Whats the triangle, @mtm? Don't know what you're referring to.

    It’s a musical instrument. It’s shaped like a triangle :)

    Oh damn it, I knew it. Sorry, It was late here, my head was no good. Of course, the triangle. Loved it.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Where's the information from that they are indeed filming a new one? I missed it somehow.

    Cary was urged to shoot a new one, and gave that request thumb up.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe Moderator
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    The Binder design is iconic, but would look dated now. The Craig era designs have all been lackluster. In 4 attempts, they screwed it up up. Every. Single. Time. NTTD should just go back to the Brosnan era gunbarrel, add a new theme arrangement and have Craig film a new walk.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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  • NS_writingsNS_writings Buenos Aires
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    It shouldn't be too complicated to bring back this design and issue it to the last gubarrel of Craig and of the following Bonds
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    I'd love to see this gunbarrel design in motion:
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  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    The Binder design is iconic, but would look dated now. The Craig era designs have all been lackluster. In 4 attempts, they screwed it up up. Every. Single. Time. NTTD should just go back to the Brosnan era gunbarrel, add a new theme arrangement and have Craig film a new walk.

    The Binder design was fine for 27 long years. Brosnan’s CG gun barrel looks too slick IMO.
  • RyanRyan Canada
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    I am really hoping the the great Cary Fukunaga and Dan Romer realize that for the gunbarrell sequences of TND, TWINE and SP the WRONG portion of the Bond theme was used when the blood is coming down, and will NOT repeat this huge mistake of their predecessors.

    I recall Arnold mentioning that he was just looking to add his own style to the gun barrel and opted to use those final bars as a sense of uncertainty (musically speaking, since he doesn't resolve it to the final chord). I'm not sure why Newman went for it as well though. I'm all for a return of the classic guitar riff.
  • GertGettlerGertGettler Laptop Barcelona
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    The Binder design is iconic, but would look dated now. The Craig era designs have all been lackluster. In 4 attempts, they screwed it up up. Every. Single. Time. NTTD should just go back to the Brosnan era gunbarrel, add a new theme arrangement and have Craig film a new walk.

    The Binder design never looks dated. Never. What I never truly liked about Daniel Kleinman's changes in the Brosnan-gunbarrels, was the fact that the white dot moves completely out of the screen to the right. Never liked it. And that 3D-effect is merely a nice visual treat, that probably would never happen if you look through this barrel.

    No, for me the "SPECTRE"-gunbarrel was the best one, even outperforming the Brosnan-ones. It was simple, fully based on Binder's original template. So now only add some brighter dripping blood, and zoom it out like in all gunbarrel sequences from DN until LTK. Then I am completely happy. Perhaps even draw the gunbarrel design a bit sharper so that more details resurface again. Perhaps simply copy-pasting this one:


    - very strong, loud "da da dum" bits
    - impressive electric guitar riffs
    - loud, big horns
    - some 'sun shimmer' effects (first introduced in OHMSS)
    - thick deep red dripping blood

    In comparison the "SPECTRE"-gunbarrel:
  • RC7RC7
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    Brosnan gun barrel is perfect. As is his walk/turn.
  • GertGettlerGertGettler Laptop Barcelona
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    RC7 wrote: »
    Brosnan gun barrel is perfect. As is his walk/turn.

    All pre-Brosnan gun barrels are perfect too.
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    RC7 wrote: »
    Brosnan gun barrel is perfect. As is his walk/turn.

    I do like the movement of the light inside the gun barrel. Always seems odd when it doesn't move. Even Binder had some light effects going on, specially on OHMSS. He had his resources back then, we now have others. Why can't they get a mini hd cam inside a real gun barrel and toy with it. I bet they'd get interesting results.
  • GertGettlerGertGettler Laptop Barcelona
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    Univex wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Brosnan gun barrel is perfect. As is his walk/turn.

    I do like the movement of the light inside the gun barrel. Always seems odd when it doesn't move. Even Binder had some light effects going on, specially on OHMSS. He had his resources back then, we now have others. Why can't they get a mini hd cam inside a real gun barrel and toy with it. I bet they'd get interesting results.

    Why not use the good old gun barrel like we are used to :-). They did something like that with CR. I disliked it. Just do some fan service on this one and, well, like you suggested, some lights effects from OHMSS or DAF gunbarrel in it.
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
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    Univex wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Brosnan gun barrel is perfect. As is his walk/turn.

    I do like the movement of the light inside the gun barrel. Always seems odd when it doesn't move. Even Binder had some light effects going on, specially on OHMSS. He had his resources back then, we now have others. Why can't they get a mini hd cam inside a real gun barrel and toy with it. I bet they'd get interesting results.

    Why not use the good old gun barrel like we are used to :-). They did something like that with CR. I disliked it. Just do some fan service on this one and, well, like you suggested, some lights effects from OHMSS or DAF gunbarrel in it.
    Bond fanboys aren’t the only audience EON needs to appeal to. Many people who watch the Craig films might not have seen the older Bond films, and seeing such an effect nowadays would look laughable.
  • GertGettlerGertGettler Laptop Barcelona
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    Minion wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Brosnan gun barrel is perfect. As is his walk/turn.

    I do like the movement of the light inside the gun barrel. Always seems odd when it doesn't move. Even Binder had some light effects going on, specially on OHMSS. He had his resources back then, we now have others. Why can't they get a mini hd cam inside a real gun barrel and toy with it. I bet they'd get interesting results.

    Why not use the good old gun barrel like we are used to :-). They did something like that with CR. I disliked it. Just do some fan service on this one and, well, like you suggested, some lights effects from OHMSS or DAF gunbarrel in it.
    Bond fanboys aren’t the only audience EON needs to appeal to. Many people who watch the Craig films might not have seen the older Bond films, and seeing such an effect nowadays would look laughable.

    Would laughable to fans yes. I think the very notion that we discuss gunbarrel designs in here in essence shows how much of nerdy fan stuff this it. The average gun barrel sequence takes like 18 seconds. Most non-fans / ordinary cinema visitors don't even care. Look to "Skyfall" and "Casino Royale" that did not even open with a gunbarrel.
  • BennyBenny Classified Administrator, Moderator
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    I always liked Timothy Daltons GB. His walk, turn and shoot are awesome.


    And use that version of the Bond theme too.
  • GertGettlerGertGettler Laptop Barcelona
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    Benny wrote: »
    I always liked Timothy Daltons GB. His walk, turn and shoot are awesome.


    And use that version of the Bond theme too.

    +1

    That one was awesome. I Always digged Dalton's walk, turn and shoot a bit more than Brosnan's one. Brosnan looks like he's walking with a hernia on there.
  • Seven_Point_Six_FiveSeven_Point_Six_Five Southern California
    edited September 2019 Posts: 1,257

    Where is this clip of Craig in the fan edit from? It's much better than SP's. As many others have said, the way he swings the gun in SP bugs the hell out of me.

    In fact, I think all of Craig's gun barrels have been pretty poor. QoS being the best, but I think he walks way too quickly. I'm not even a big fan of CR's. At least it's creative but it offends my desire for uniformity and consistency. Though I suppose between many gun barrels using different music and DAD's stupid CGI bullet, consistency has been long dead.
  • AgentJamesBond007AgentJamesBond007 Vesper’s grave
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    Where is this clip of Craig in the fan edit from? It's much better than SP's. As many others have said, the way he swings the gun in SP bugs the hell out of me.

    In fact, I think all of Craig's gun barrels have been pretty poor. QoS being the best, but I think he walks way too quickly. I'm not even a big fan of CR's. At least it's creative but it offends my desire for uniformity and consistency. Though I suppose between many gun barrels using different music and DAD's stupid CGI bullet, consistency has been long dead.

    @Milovy ‘s fanedit of Spectre called The Dead Are Alive.

    https://www.mi6community.com/discussion/17197/the-dead-are-alive-fanedit-of-spectre
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    RC7 wrote: »
    Brosnan gun barrel is perfect. As is his walk/turn.

    A little stiff-backed/pigeon-chested for my taste. I much prefer Craig's Spectre one actually: I think he does that perfectly (even with a swinging gun!).

    To be honest Roger was the master. He knew how to strike a perfect pose :)
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited September 2019 Posts: 12,159
    Benny wrote: »
    I always liked Timothy Daltons GB. His walk, turn and shoot are awesome.


    And use that version of the Bond theme too.

    Plenty of triangle! I'm telling you it's essential :)

    Spectre got that right too ;)
  • RyanRyan Canada
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    Where is this clip of Craig in the fan edit from? It's much better than SP's. As many others have said, the way he swings the gun in SP bugs the hell out of me.

    I'm pretty sure the Craig clip is identical in both. In the fan edit, they've just "erased" his swinging arm. If you look closely, there's one little hiccup where you can see Craig's swinging arm for a brief moment.
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    Yes, it's the gun barrel walk from Spectre, but I erased his swinging arm.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe Moderator
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    The Binder design is iconic, but would look dated now. The Craig era designs have all been lackluster. In 4 attempts, they screwed it up up. Every. Single. Time. NTTD should just go back to the Brosnan era gunbarrel, add a new theme arrangement and have Craig film a new walk.

    The Binder design was fine for 27 long years. Brosnan’s CG gun barrel looks too slick IMO.

    I'm not complaining about that. But we're in 2019. The GE gunbarrel was a respectful
    The Binder design is iconic, but would look dated now. The Craig era designs have all been lackluster. In 4 attempts, they screwed it up up. Every. Single. Time. NTTD should just go back to the Brosnan era gunbarrel, add a new theme arrangement and have Craig film a new walk.

    The Binder design never looks dated. Never. What I never truly liked about Daniel Kleinman's changes in the Brosnan-gunbarrels, was the fact that the white dot moves completely out of the screen to the right. Never liked it. And that 3D-effect is merely a nice visual treat, that probably would never happen if you look through this barrel.

    No, for me the "SPECTRE"-gunbarrel was the best one, even outperforming the Brosnan-ones. It was simple, fully based on Binder's original template. So now only add some brighter dripping blood, and zoom it out like in all gunbarrel sequences from DN until LTK. Then I am completely happy. Perhaps even draw the gunbarrel design a bit sharper so that more details resurface again. Perhaps simply copy-pasting this one:


    - very strong, loud "da da dum" bits
    - impressive electric guitar riffs
    - loud, big horns
    - some 'sun shimmer' effects (first introduced in OHMSS)
    - thick deep red dripping blood

    In comparison the "SPECTRE"-gunbarrel:

    I agree on the videos you posted. The Binder design doesn't look dated.... in 1971 (the DAF gunbarrel) and that the Binder design is also better than the SP gunbarrel. The problem is, I have already seen the Brosnan era gunbarrel, which to me, was a perfect modernisation of the 1962-89 gunbarrel.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Until massive audiences start laughing at a traditional gun barrel, I disagree.
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    Until massive audiences start laughing at a traditional gun barrel, I disagree.

    Exactly. Audiences won't laugh, they'll cheer. They should especially cheer if the Bond theme that accompany's the image is in sync and bad ass.


    Perhaps, instead of a CGI design this time, Kleinman can secure a pinhole camera and shoot it through the barrel of a real gun, like Binder did back in 1962?
    Re create the image in the style Binder shot it, perhaps with a different barrel.
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Until massive audiences start laughing at a traditional gun barrel, I disagree.

    Exactly. Audiences won't laugh, they'll cheer. They should especially cheer if the Bond theme that accompany's the image is in sync and bad ass.


    Perhaps, instead of a CGI design this time, Kleinman can secure a pinhole camera and shoot it through the barrel of a real gun, like Binder did back in 1962?
    Re create the image in the style Binder shot it, perhaps with a different barrel.

    Exactly what Ive been saying for years.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    That would be pretty cool. That’s what I liked about the Binder image is that it was an actual gun barrel image rather than a matte painting or CG.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited September 2019 Posts: 12,159
    I think the look of the gunbarrel itself in that Spectre one is better in the original than the fanedit. It's glossy and metallic-looking, and the rifling actually curves away in 3D, unlike in the rather flat, 2D curves of the version on the right. I like the way it darkens too; that's a nice touch.
    It'd be nice to see it move in a 3D way, with the barrel actually pivoting to follow Bond, rather than it just being a 2D photo which slides along with him.

    I think the Brosnan one is still a rather brilliant and subtle updating of the effect.
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