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Will Craig's Third Outing be his Goldfinger?

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  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    I think TWINE falls flat on it's head. The whole film is uninspired. Brosnan does a very cringeworthy hammy performance, the action scenes are boring, the directing and cinematography reaches an all-time low, even more dull and unmemorable than Glen's in the 80's. I have a hard time remembering what happens in TWINE when waking up after watching the previous night. TWINE is easily, IMO, the most dull, unmemorable outing in the franchise. Even CR and QOS, which I rate lower in 21st and 22nd place, have their moments of brilliance, But nothing in TWINE.
  • SAMSAM
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    There is very little chance that Skyfall will be better than Casino Royale (original Ian Fleming story) - 9/10.

    The primary reason that Casino Royale was considered a sensation was because Daniel Craig delivered a mesmorising performance as 007; hence Craig's Goldfinger was his debut feature.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    I bloody hope not! GF is the most overrated film of the series followed by GE.

    Something like TB yes, I think Guy Hamilton was a considerable drop on Terence Young.
  • TopGearJB007TopGearJB007
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    I didn't realize Goldfinger was so hated by everyone. It's my favorite, so I really am hoping Skyfall is as good as Goldfinger.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited November 2011 Posts: 13,350
    I think many people are failing to realise, this question most likely means as far as the public at large is concerned and to them Goldfinger is remembered foundly and cemented Connery as Bond. It also doesn't feature the overarching organisation of the era. In that sense Skyfall may well be another Goldfinger.
  • TopGearJB007TopGearJB007
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    I think many people are failing to realise, this question most likely means as far as the public at large is concerned and to them Goldfinger is remembered foundly and cemented Connery as Bond. It also doesn't feature the overarching organisation of the era. In that sense Skyfall may well be another Goldfinger.
    That's exactly what I mean. Thank you. :-bd
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    I bloody hope not! GF is the most overrated film of the series followed by GE.

    Something like TB yes, I think Guy Hamilton was a considerable drop on Terence Young.
    It shows, too. Some of the worst Bond films (Goldfinger, Diamonds Are Forever) were directed by Guy Hamilton. Terrance Young, however, directed Connery's three best films: DN, FWRL and TB.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    I think many people are failing to realise, this question most likely means as far as the public at large is concerned and to them Goldfinger is remembered foundly and cemented Connery as Bond. It also doesn't feature the overarching organisation of the era. In that sense Skyfall may well be another Goldfinger.
    That's assuming Quantum comes back. They're departure in Skyfall after the obviousness of their storyline not being finished may very well mean that we won't see Quantum again.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited November 2011 Posts: 13,350
    I think many people are failing to realise, this question most likely means as far as the public at large is concerned and to them Goldfinger is remembered foundly and cemented Connery as Bond. It also doesn't feature the overarching organisation of the era. In that sense Skyfall may well be another Goldfinger.
    That's assuming Quantum comes back. They're departure in Skyfall after the obviousness of their storyline not being finished may very well mean that we won't see Quantum again.
    Of course Quantum will return, whenever EON want them to. Why wouldn't they? Just because they'll not in one film doesn't mean they're gone for good. As for "their storyline not being finished", of course it wasn't, they've now been set up for Bond to tackle in the future.
  • TopGearJB007TopGearJB007
    edited November 2011 Posts: 624
    We may see Quantum return in Bond 24. You never know. I wish they would give us a proper end of Quantum in Skyfall, then start with a villain not linked to Quantum in Bond 24.

    I really wish we would have had SPECTRE instead of Quantum but Kevin McClory blocked that from happening.
  • Monsieur_AubergineMonsieur_Aubergine Top of the Eiffel Tower with a fly in my soup!
    edited November 2011 Posts: 642
    I always find it difficult to understand why we kick the actors in the nuts for what is essentially the screenplay, how they've been written and/ or directed.

    If we are talking tone and some sort of crystallisation I hanker after a return to FRWL form.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    I always find it difficult to understand why we kick the actors in the nuts for what is essentially the screenplay, how they've been written and/ or directed.

    If we are talking tone and some sort of crystallisation I hanker after a return to FRWL form.
    The reason we blame the actors for the screenplay's faults is because 99.99999991% of all human beings go into a movie not even paying attention to the script. We watch the actor's performances, and when we see them do or say something that seems stupid to us, we don't care if that's how it was written, we care that the actor did it.

    Thank you for fixing "fond" to "find", though you took away a joke.
  • Monsieur_AubergineMonsieur_Aubergine Top of the Eiffel Tower with a fly in my soup!
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    ^surely as fans we can look through that and understand the creative or collaborative choices as opposed to just honing in on the actor? I fond I always do. :-)
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Maybe as the kind of fans that you or I are, but as I said, most people don't. I think most people assume that actors ad-lib a lot more than they really do. I don't know if that's true, but it's probably the general consensus. What I really mean is that since we don't have access to the script, we just figure that the actors have more control than the screenwriter as far as the lines go. I've heard this was the problem with RoboCop 2.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    edited January 2013 Posts: 12,837
    Okay, outside the PTS, Pussy Galore, and the laser-table scene, GOLDFINGER is a very poor film. Bond is generally incompetent throughout it, spending most of his time in captivity (and when he's free, he's getting bystanders killed) and he has to rely entirely on somebody else to free him at the end and save him from certain death. Otherwise, the film is filled subplots that come out of nowhere and end before they have a resolution (like Jill Masterson - she serves no point to the story and could be removed entirely without affecting anything) and scenes that serve little purpose other than to pad the running time out (and it's already a short film). Goldfinger himself is completely non-threatening and almost as incompetent as Bond (seriously, who builds a prison cell directly beneath the room where he reveals his master plan, and conveniently includes a way for any prisoner to listen in to his schemes?). But most people overlook the flaws in the film simply because of the "Do you expect me to talk?" / "No, Mister Bond, I expect you to die!" exchange, which - while brilliant - does not make up for the rest of the film.
    Goldfinger, is a poor film. Goldfinger that really introduced the world to james bond. Goldfinger that was in many ways, the original bond film. Goldfinger that had the first proper bond car, the best PTS in the series, a ton of hot girls...... In alot of ways shadow i don't think your a real bond fan. Its films like goldfinger that made the franchise famous. And to say people overlook the flaws because of one great moment is stupid, fact is the film doesn't have that many flaws. So bond spent most of his time in captivity, it proves that goldfinger was a challenging foe, something alot of people on the site have been begging for. Bond is incompetent yes, but he is in alot of films, big deal if he's incompetent. People say bond is too much of a superman, some could argue it makes him less superman in this film due to the fact he keeps getting caught and relies on others. And in a public poll, goldfinger would almost definetly rank as connerys best outing, just as TSWLM would moores. Brosnan is an exception.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    I think many people are failing to realise, this question most likely means as far as the public at large is concerned and to them Goldfinger is remembered foundly and cemented Connery as Bond. It also doesn't feature the overarching organisation of the era. In that sense Skyfall may well be another Goldfinger.
    qouted for truth. At least somebody appreciates goldfinger.
  • TopGearJB007TopGearJB007
    edited November 2011 Posts: 624
    I think many people are failing to realise, this question most likely means as far as the public at large is concerned and to them Goldfinger is remembered foundly and cemented Connery as Bond. It also doesn't feature the overarching organisation of the era. In that sense Skyfall may well be another Goldfinger.
    qouted for truth. At least somebody appreciates goldfinger.
    Hello?!? I appreciate the hell out of it. :-))
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    He was in 2 movies prior to Goldfinger, 2 very well liked movies. If nobody realized that Connery WAS Bond by then, people never saw those other two.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited November 2011 Posts: 13,350
    I think many people are failing to realise, this question most likely means as far as the public at large is concerned and to them Goldfinger is remembered foundly and cemented Connery as Bond. It also doesn't feature the overarching organisation of the era. In that sense Skyfall may well be another Goldfinger.
    qouted for truth. At least somebody appreciates goldfinger.
    I like Goldfinger but it's far from my favourite. I hope my point makes sense though, everyone seems to be relating the question to "Do you want another Goldfinger; what did you think of the film?", which was not the idea at all.
  • Monsieur_AubergineMonsieur_Aubergine Top of the Eiffel Tower with a fly in my soup!
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    http://www.dvdverdict.com/reviews/bondgse.php

    This site is always good at times like this. :-)
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    I think many people are failing to realise, this question most likely means as far as the public at large is concerned and to them Goldfinger is remembered foundly and cemented Connery as Bond. It also doesn't feature the overarching organisation of the era. In that sense Skyfall may well be another Goldfinger.
    qouted for truth. At least somebody appreciates goldfinger.
    I like Goldfinger but it's far from my favourite. I hope my point makes sense though, everyone seems to be relating the question to "Do you want another Goldfinger; what did you think of the film?", which was not the idea at all.
    I'm in this boat, minus the 'u' in 'favourite' because I'm American.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    GF cemented the blueprint of what was to come, that is the reason it's so universally loved, it ticks all the clichés that the average joe thinks constitutes a Bond film.

    As far as cementing Craig yes that would be good but DN & especially FRWL were far superior, I want more fun from SF but not like GF no. Yes GF has what is probably one of the best PTS of the series without a doubt but the film never recovers after it.

    No I'd rather SF was the new FRWL or TB or maybe and here's a thought a completely new idea in itself, aping previous films is usually embarrassing see DAD or that forced Fields in Oil GF tribute in QOS.

    I don't think SF will be a light or breezy as GF, I believe it will be more fun than CR & QOS was but I'm not expecting SWLM, Craig's Bond is driven emotionally and that will still pay a part in Mendes' Bond film.
  • OHMSS69OHMSS69
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    ^

    I don't believe that at all. When I think of Connery I think of FRWL or TB, not GF. When I think of Brosnan GE comes to mind first naturally because it didn't sink like the others for me. I wish well for Skyfall, and if it isn't Dan's best, that is fine. He has done more than enough as Bond and made me care for his Bond like a person. I expect Skyfall to ramp it up, and hopefully be able to compete with CR. No matter how it spins I think Dan's work so far as Bond has been brilliant.
    I think the "rule of three" streak was broken with DAD. After QoS Craig is due for a big breakout film that can compare to CR. We will just have to wait and see.


  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    As far as cementing Craig yes that would be good but DN & especially FRWL were far superior
    I was unaware Craig was in Dr. No or From Russia With Love.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited November 2011 Posts: 13,945
    Everyone knows that- except they're called Doctor CasiNO and From Quantum with Solace, respectively. :>
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    From Quantum with Solace works for some weird reason.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Yes, it sounds good, but I doubt Quantum would offer any sort of solace to anyone. ;-)
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    This is true.
  • craigrulescraigrules
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    the tone of skyfall has been touted as CR style but the way eon make it up as they go along it could be more moonraker
  • LeChiffreLeChiffre
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    Will SKYFALL be Craig's GOLDFINGER?

    God, I hope not. GOLDFINGER is not a very good film.

    I take it you are joking right? But then there are still idiots out there who thinks that DC is not a very good Bond. If Skyfall is even as half as good I'll be very happy. Just want a memorable henchman, decent theme tune and a real threat to Bond. All the credentials of the cast and crew are very promising.

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