Is anybody else hoping to continue off of Quantum of Solace?

M16_CartM16_Cart Craig fanboy?
Skyfall helped in gaining mainstream sales and Spectre tried to restore nostalgic elements, but part of me is hopelessly hoping for the series to go back in 2009 when Bond had more passion and fire, and was more focused in an artistic direction rather than trying to scatter in several different ones.

If we go back, we don't necessarily have to continue the Vesper story or have Jason Bourne style action scenes, but fantasy within the realm of believability, real relatable emotions, and a plot that isn't utterly ridiculous could close the Craig chapter on the strong note that it began on.
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  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    It would be nice.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    I'd sign up for that too. I love QoS of course! It would, as you say, neatly bookend the long yet unprolific Craig Bond era.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I would've been more than happy if Forster had continued to direct, or we at least got like-minded directors who could continue that same feel of QoS, but given the general public's reception of the film, I don't ever see it happening.
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I would've been more than happy if Forster had continued to direct, or we at least got like-minded directors who could continue that same feel of QoS, but given the general public's reception of the film, I don't ever see it happening.

    If we'd gotten another film like it in 2010 and 2015, I'd be very happy.
  • M16_CartM16_Cart Craig fanboy?
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    but given the general public's reception of the film, I don't ever see it happening.

    The public liked Casino Royale. I'm not saying I want another QOS. I think Bond 25 should try not to make the same mistakes as QOS, but at the same time, continue in that overall direction. EON threw out the baby with the bathwater. First with Skyfall, which I didn't mind much, but then the abomination of a plot in the next entry.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    M16_Cart wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    but given the general public's reception of the film, I don't ever see it happening.

    The public liked Casino Royale. I'm not saying I want another QOS. I think Bond 25 should try not to make the same mistakes as QOS, but at the same time, continue in that overall direction. EON threw out the baby with the bathwater. First with Skyfall, which I didn't mind much, but then the abomination of a plot in the next entry.

    I was talking about QoS. General audiences definitely didn't glow over QoS the way they did CR and in particular, SF. I figure past mentioning Greene in SP, they'll try and steer clear from the type of film QoS was in every sense of the word, as unfortunate as that is.
  • M16_CartM16_Cart Craig fanboy?
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    I'm surprised they even mentioned Greene in Spectre. When I saw that scene in the movie, I thought they were going to just show Le Chiffre and Silva and pretend that QOS didn't exist. But now it's kind of insulting because they acknowledged QOS existed with the least effort humanly possible.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    M16_Cart wrote: »
    I'm surprised they even mentioned Greene in Spectre. When I saw that scene in the movie, I thought they were going to just show Le Chiffre and Silva and pretend that QOS didn't exist. But now it's kind of insulting because they acknowledged QOS existed with the least effort humanly possible.

    I still thought they avoided mentioning him the first time I saw it, I totally missed the shot of him until the second go around. I think I was half-heartedly expecting there to be no connection to QoS as the film went on, given how little those involved seemed to enjoy the end product. What a shame, I would've been there day one for a QoS successor directed by Forster in 2010.
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    Since I liked QoS more than the last two, sure, I'd go for more of what was going on there, especially if they could complete what they started and not be affected by a writers' strike.

    I also thought they skipped Greene in SP the first time I saw it.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    M16_Cart wrote: »
    I'm surprised they even mentioned Greene in Spectre. When I saw that scene in the movie, I thought they were going to just show Le Chiffre and Silva and pretend that QOS didn't exist. But now it's kind of insulting because they acknowledged QOS existed with the least effort humanly possible.
    Isn't the presence of Mr. White returning in a pretty significant role, also tying him to the Bond Girl as her father, all something of a recognition of Quantum of Solace?
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Ah this is really the dream. Is there a world in which we get a film set between QOS and SF
    of Bond hunting down Quantum. In this film we will see him hit, cut, bruised, and truly damaged. There will be a serious tone, blood, and no Scooby gang. Judi dench as M. Mr white could make an appearance. There would be thrilling action scenes and Bond would still be damaged from vesper so there would be no need for him to “fall in love”.

    The film could have a sequence in which Bond is going after Quantum agents using the information we as an audience never learned about but was mentioned in QOS. He could be trying to stop their “Canadian operation”. He could meet up with Camille at some point. The film could end with M calling him in and saying there has been a hard drive lost in turkey. Oh and ofcoarse there could be some Felix Leiter in there with his new and improved position in the CIA after Beam was fired. Perhaps the plot could revolve around Quantum trying to get one of their agents to win an election in Canada?

    But don’t think about it too much, the possibilities will make you sad that the truth is that none of this is possible.

    Instead we got skyfall which I know some of you love but compared to what Craig’s third outing could and should have been, it’s a mistake.
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    Ah this is really the dream. Is there a world in which we get a film set between QOS and SF
    of Bond hunting down Quantum. In this film we will see him hit, cut, bruised, and truly damaged. There will be a serious tone, blood, and no Scooby gang. Judi dench as M. Mr white could make an appearance. There would be thrilling action scenes and Bond would still be damaged from vesper so there would be no need for him to “fall in love”.

    The film could have a sequence in which Bond is going after Quantum agents using the information we as an audience never learned about but was mentioned in QOS. He could be trying to stop their “Canadian operation”. He could meet up with Camille at some point. The film could end with M calling him in and saying there has been a hard drive lost in turkey. Oh and ofcoarse there could be some Felix Leiter in there with his new and improved position in the CIA after Beam was fired. Perhaps the plot could revolve around Quantum trying to get one of their agents to win an election in Canada?

    But don’t think about it too much, the possibilities will make you sad that the truth is that none of this is possible.

    Instead we got skyfall which I know some of you love but compared to what Craig’s third outing could and should have been, it’s a mistake.

    Nothing sadder than a missed opportunity. I was so psyched for this kind of a film in 2010. Then MGM went bankrupt.
  • edited March 2018 Posts: 12,312
    Meh. I like QOS, but I prefer SF. The direction they went in for SP is a mistake though.

    QOS found a good way to continue off of CR directly but still feel like its own film for the most part. It feels a lot more standalone than SP does, which constantly mentions the past and becomes bothersome. Marc Forster found a good balance; I hope Boyle can as well for Bond 25 continuing off of SP. The less SP is mentioned, the better. CR really didn't get a lot of mentioning in QOS; just a few Vesper mentions really. Never felt like too much. In SP, it always feels like too much (besides the tape Bond finds in White's secret room; that was a cool touch).

    As for setting a film in between QOS and SF, I think it's a cool idea, but sadly almost definitely won't happen. I think we will indeed get something set after SP. Let's just hope they can execute it well and not retread so much (I bet P&W's Bond 25 script is just a Madeleine dies / revenge story).
  • edited March 2018 Posts: 684
    But don’t think about it too much, the possibilities will make you sad that the truth is that none of this is possible.
    I think it is still possible in spirit. I'd be less enticed about literally setting the film post-QOS, and more about orienting the franchise on the trajectory which QOS might at one point have inspired. I made some recent suggestion to this effect over in the production thread.

    They were onto something with QOS, even if it does still fall shy of the mark. As it is, it's not a model for moving forward with Bond. But I think it's the closest they've come during Craig's tenure.

    It's kind of like imagining that there existed before DN another Eon Bond film that failed in being what DN ultimately was. QOS is the closest we've gotten to a blueprint for what the post-reboot Bond flick could look like (I don't think the other Craigs do this as well).

    QOS combines the flare of cinematic Bond with the spirit of Fleming, and has its feet set firmly in the 21st century. It's central scheme is good and plain (told in a mumbling manner admittedly) but most of all relevant to 21st century geopolitics, and in a way that doesn't require endless scenes of people on computers. The doing is on the ground.

    Further, the film mines a philosophical point directly from Fleming ("The Nature of Evil") and sort of takes that as its starting point, allowing it to lead the plot idea. And as the plots are all virtually used up, going forward we might as well allow Fleming's own musings to lead us to the plots. I also think Fleming leaks in via the small moments Forster is able to capture on location à la the small details Fleming sneaks into his writing.

    The flare of the early Bonds comes from several items, many just small details, which hadn't all quite come together in a while: a score evoking the locations, main titles that are more experiential/sexy than intellectual, cinematography that captures the countries in the magical way that's been absent since MR, the classic look and fit of Bond's wardrobe, the return of the artful Bond girl name (Strawberry Fields), etc.

    All the above is a wonderful marriage of items. It starts to fall short exactly where all the other Craig films also do when they fall short: where they're influenced by the box office, following instead of leading. Additionally, they experimented a bit technically (which they absolutely should do), but it doesn't all work. And while the background areas of the film are filled with the Fleming spirit, I think they could have done a better job coming up with original yet Flemingesque material for the foreground (SF did this well -- the one item that does stand out this way in QOS is the opera Quantum meeting).

    I hope Eon pays attention to QOS, if not for B25 then for the new era with B26.
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
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    I re-watched QoS yesterday and I am sure it's popularity among Bond fans will continue to rise. It wasn't the instant hit that CR was (but waaay above a failure) and it's flaws will remain (editing is too drastic, some scenes should've been more fleshed out and longer, should've made more of the locations) - but it's beauty and core will continue to be more and more appreciated. I was very angry about the editing after first having seen it but I instantly liked the story and characters the movie offered (yes, I like Dominic Greene, too - to me he's a wonderfully insane villain).

    Yesterday, seeing the opera or Greene Planet party scenes was just so beautiful and cool (again) - love it! The Greene Planet party scene create the same kind of feeling for me when Bond arrives at the Casino in TB for example ... somehow you "feel" the location and - for me - this speaks for the quality of these scenes.

    No doubt - I would re-edit the whole movie by adding few frames in all action scenes, use more scenes from the party to show what Mathis is up to and extend some of the dialogue scenes (example: Briefing scenes with M and Tanner about the money flows). The humour was just right - the "lottery" thing as well as the "but it's cheap wine" and Bond's grin ... that kind of humour works extremely well for Craig. "My friends call me Dominique" and Bond's reply to that - wonderful.

    Therefore I would be all in for a spiritual continuation of QoS in B25: I would bring Camille back and even flesh out the Quantum/Spectre connection a bit more as a story element ... if Madeleine would at least be mentioned Mr.White's heritage could play a small role in that. Bring back Felix who's now leading the CIA's south america section ... things like that to have a hook to the story elements and tone QoS (and therefore CR) had instead of continueing from Skyfall (like SP did).

    QoS may not become a fan favourite the caliber of OHMSS ... but it will continue to fight it's way up the top lists of many - whereas SP will end up at the bottom lists for the most fans.

    I love QoS and if some of it's elements would be picked up for B25 that would be just awesome. Plus I really like the character of Camille - I think Kurylenko and Craig had excellent chemistry on-screen.
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    I like QoS infinitely better than SF, and I think there were several beautiful ideas worth more exploring, but that is all so long in the past, and after SF and SP the general public doesn´t remember even CR, let alone QoS. The only reasonable way to continue would be to present a character so strong that he can carry a change from what was before. So in that regard CR and QoS should be taken as a template.
  • M16_CartM16_Cart Craig fanboy?
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    M16_Cart wrote: »
    I'm surprised they even mentioned Greene in Spectre. When I saw that scene in the movie, I thought they were going to just show Le Chiffre and Silva and pretend that QOS didn't exist. But now it's kind of insulting because they acknowledged QOS existed with the least effort humanly possible.
    Isn't the presence of Mr. White returning in a pretty significant role, also tying him to the Bond Girl as her father, all something of a recognition of Quantum of Solace?

    Oh wow. I wanted to forget about how they butchered Mr. White just to completely phase out Quantum. Okay, so he went from the most evil man in the world to a kind-of good guy as an artificial contrived way to help Bond overcome his thirst for revenge.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    I definitely don't see it that way.
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
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    M16_Cart wrote: »
    M16_Cart wrote: »
    I'm surprised they even mentioned Greene in Spectre. When I saw that scene in the movie, I thought they were going to just show Le Chiffre and Silva and pretend that QOS didn't exist. But now it's kind of insulting because they acknowledged QOS existed with the least effort humanly possible.
    Isn't the presence of Mr. White returning in a pretty significant role, also tying him to the Bond Girl as her father, all something of a recognition of Quantum of Solace?

    Oh wow. I wanted to forget about how they butchered Mr. White just to completely phase out Quantum. Okay, so he went from the most evil man in the world to a kind-of good guy as an artificial contrived way to help Bond overcome his thirst for revenge.

    That bothered me too and undermines his final scene.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    M16_Cart wrote: »
    M16_Cart wrote: »
    I'm surprised they even mentioned Greene in Spectre. When I saw that scene in the movie, I thought they were going to just show Le Chiffre and Silva and pretend that QOS didn't exist. But now it's kind of insulting because they acknowledged QOS existed with the least effort humanly possible.
    Isn't the presence of Mr. White returning in a pretty significant role, also tying him to the Bond Girl as her father, all something of a recognition of Quantum of Solace?

    Oh wow. I wanted to forget about how they butchered Mr. White just to completely phase out Quantum. Okay, so he went from the most evil man in the world to a kind-of good guy as an artificial contrived way to help Bond overcome his thirst for revenge.

    White : Italian Mafia :: Blofeld : Russian Mafia
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    CR and QoS were how I wanted the direction of Bond films to go. No gadgets, ruthless Bond, MI6 crew in the office as back up and more down to earth stories.

    If 25 can emulate this direction I'll be happy.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited April 2018 Posts: 4,479
    Bring back Camile and Felix

    And flashbacks of Vesper and Mr White.
    Vesper Video in Spectre whas not there for nothing!


    I my opnion Mr White whas stil the scary wolf,mabey a less ego then before.
    We will see or in the next movie there will explanation why there named him the Pale King and or it will be confirmd or denied family secret. With Long-term memory/history you will understand what happend with Mr White.

    But possible Bond 25 will more contuned Skyfall elements and Bond 26 will bring it together. Spectre look like more on QOS, so should we expect Bond 25 will be more like Skyfall. My new motto for Bond 25 and Bond 26: Where is the drive ?

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  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    CR and QoS were how I wanted the direction of Bond films to go. No gadgets, ruthless Bond, MI6 crew in the office as back up and more down to earth stories.

    If 25 can emulate this direction I'll be happy.

    Yeah, they cut away all the baggage of the Brosnan era and just made two films that centered around bonds character and an interesting spy story.

    Skyfall and spectre lacks that for me
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    It might be interesting to bring back a Bond girl for a second film. Unlike TND when we hear about the history between Bond and Paris Carver. Nice to see how Bond would handle coming across an old flame again. I always felt there was more of Camille to explore and we might get some more romance a second time around.

    I agree with the others who have said too much time as passed with QOS it's too late to connect back with it.

    I do recall Kevin Costner of all people talking about how some films are duds when released and then seem to grow in popularity as time passes. I agree with him. There are a few Bond films that seem to have aged well. QOS is getting lots of love on here lately and would seem to fit that category.
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    Too much time has evolved since QOS,lets not complicate matters any more than has already happened.
    It's confusing enough as it is without creating yet another bloody timeline.
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    I just want a decent 007 outing with as little navel-gazing as possible.
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
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    I am not saying B25 should pick up where QoS left but use Camille and Felix as an aspect of continuity. After all, this is a trademark of the Craig era.

    I would use Camille and Felix to get the story rollin‘ in south america
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    And also continue the “style” of CR/QOS
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    And also continue the “style” of CR/QOS

    Not QoB I prefer watching the Bourne movies in that case.
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    One of the elements I love about QUANTUM OF SOLACE was it had a compact running time, whereas I find the Mendes films to be far too long. Aside from the gunbarrel, the narrative structure was very classic Bond, IMO.

    In some ways QoS feels more like a classic Bond film to me than it's follow ups. The pacing was fast and to the point. I loved the locations, the score, the fact that it used a Fleming title, and Craig was great. Granted, many people had problems with the editing, but it never bothered me. It kind of reminded me of the OHMSS fight sequence editing to the 10th power.

    I love Camille, but wouldn't want her to return in B25. After SPECTRE, I'm feeling like I don't want B25 to have much connection with the previous Craig entries at all. I just want it to be a traditional Bond film.
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