Anthony Horowitz's Bond novel - Forever and a Day

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  • PussyNoMore loves Torgeirtrap's assesment.
    Clearly he is a thinking man's Bondologist.

    Thanks!
    Had to do a little research on that Solo cover. Found a nice little interview with designer Suzanne Dean – who also worked on the Vintage Classics re-issues. Some interesting points regarding Solo:

    «What was your inspiration for the Solo book jacket artwork?»
    “worked on the hardback edition of Solo. It was set in 1969, so like the classics, I wanted to achieve a period feel while ensuring the book still felt fresh and contemporary.”

    Any chance she'll do the cover design this time around? So much to take from these two little paragraphs regarding the creative process. Just what a Bond fan would like to hear. Hopefully they will think in the same lines for Forever and a Day!

    Suzanne Dean certainly succeeded in achieving a period feel whilst being fresh and contemporary. PussyNoMore thinks that she took some styling cues from Hawkey’s iconic PAN ‘Thunderball’ cover. No bad place to go for inspiration and her return could well be a positive thing.

    As the variations in post Chopping first edition U.K. cover art, has most Bondologists book shelves looking like a ‘diner des chiens’,uniformity going forward probably has little value.

    In this scenario, they may as well give each designer the creative freedom to try and make each event new, different and better.

    PussyNoMore is holding his breath!



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    Not wishing to be negative, but kinda dull, uninspired title. Sounds like a Bond film title Eon would have thrown on the rejection pile. Let's hope the novel is more exciting than the title. Horowitz is a good writer so reason to remain optimistic.

    I'm guessing a character will say something like
    "if only we could live forever and a day."

    Cue groans from the reader! :P
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    The plot will undoubtedly make more sense than those of SF & SP, so rejoice.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    SaintMark wrote: »
    The plot will undoubtedly make more sense than those of SF & SP, so rejoice.
    Hear hear!
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    Suzanne Dean certainly succeeded in achieving a period feel whilst being fresh and contemporary. PussyNoMore thinks that she took some styling cues from Hawkey’s iconic PAN ‘Thunderball’ cover. No bad place to go for inspiration and her return could well be a positive thing.

    As the variations in post Chopping first edition U.K. cover art, has most Bondologists book shelves looking like a ‘diner des chiens’,uniformity going forward probably has little value.

    In this scenario, they may as well give each designer the creative freedom to try and make each event new, different and better.

    PussyNoMore is holding his breath!

    There is a noticeable sense of inspiration there, yes. She also made no effort to hide the inspiration they took from Saul Bass (even more for the Vintage Classics re-issues, by the look of it). Just great to see designers being so completely open about their inspirations in an interview setting.

    Will be interesting to see how they go about designing this one. We're talking early fifties, a French setting (one would imagine?), and possibly Bond at a casino – by looking at that teaser cover. Wonder if Horowitz himself as anything to say, as well.

    Regarding the title: Didn't Horowitz write in a comment that coming up with a title was the most difficult part of writing Bond? Will have to wait until I read the book before judging the title as good, bad or just OK.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Is it really set in the early 50s? Fleming s Bond became a OO during the war.
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    Is it really set in the early 50s? Fleming s Bond became a OO during the war.

    I might have been mistaken; think I read somewhere that the novel takes place not long before CR? Maybe that was just a comment speculating if this was the case – and not necessarily established to be so.
  • Is it really set in the early 50s? Fleming s Bond became a OO during the war.

    PussyNoMore can't remember Fleming ever specifying that. He was always ambiguous about the timing - in any event PNM doubt's that Horowitz would mess with Fleming's Bond chronology.
    A good bet for the year may be 1950 but perhaps we should open a book on it ?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    He gained his OO status after killing a Japanese cipher clerk and a Norwegian double agent. That is clearly a reference to the war,
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    He gained his OO status after killing a Japanese cipher clerk and a Norwegian double agent. That is clearly a reference to the war,

    That's what I thought too. Strange. Bond was seconded into the British Secret Service from the Royal Navy.
  • Dragonpol wrote: »
    He gained his OO status after killing a Japanese cipher clerk and a Norwegian double agent. That is clearly a reference to the war,

    That's what I thought too. Strange. Bond was seconded into the British Secret Service from the Royal Navy.

    Sorry but PussyNoMore does not think that these events would have to have taken place during the war. That is an assumption.

  • Dragonpol wrote: »
    He gained his OO status after killing a Japanese cipher clerk and a Norwegian double agent. That is clearly a reference to the war,

    That's what I thought too. Strange. Bond was seconded into the British Secret Service from the Royal Navy.

    Sorry but PussyNoMore does not think that these events would have to have taken place during the war. That is an assumption.

    It could be that he earned his two kills during the war but wasn't made a 00 until the late 40s/early 50s. I think two kills (sanctioned assassinations as well, I doubt self defence counts) is just a sort of minimum requirement. Makes you eligible but there's a lot more training and tests before you actually get promoted.
  • Dragonpol wrote: »
    He gained his OO status after killing a Japanese cipher clerk and a Norwegian double agent. That is clearly a reference to the war,

    That's what I thought too. Strange. Bond was seconded into the British Secret Service from the Royal Navy.

    Sorry but PussyNoMore does not think that these events would have to have taken place during the war. That is an assumption.

    It could be that he earned his two kills during the war but wasn't made a 00 until the late 40s/early 50s. I think two kills (sanctioned assassinations as well, I doubt self defence counts) is just a sort of minimum requirement. Makes you eligible but there's a lot more training and tests before you actually get promoted.

    Absolutely and the reference to both could have been within a cold war context.
    PussyNoMore has confidence that Horowitz will play this well.
    There is sufficient ambiguity in Fleming's Bond history to allow for creative latitude.

  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    He gained his OO status after killing a Japanese cipher clerk and a Norwegian double agent. That is clearly a reference to the war,

    That's what I thought too. Strange. Bond was seconded into the British Secret Service from the Royal Navy.

    Sorry but PussyNoMore does not think that these events would have to have taken place during the war. That is an assumption.

    How else do you explain the second job? Quotes below from Casino Royale (1953):

    'The next time in Stockholm wasn't so pretty. I had to kill a Norwegian who was doubling against us for the Germans. He'd managed to get two of our men captured - probably bumped off for all I know.'

    This has to be occurring in a World War II context surely? Note it's the Germans, not the Russians.

    And Bond did get his Double-O status directly after these two assassinations:

    'For those two jobs I was awarded a Double O number in the Service.'

    You can't argue with the facts. They're there in black and white. Speculation is not enough. Where's the evidence it took place during the Cold War? I don't see any in the passage quoted above.
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    Make no mistake I will likely read it as I have read most of the continuation novels (about half way through the Gardner novels) but I still wish IFP would do two series one set in Deaver’s continuity (which my one issue is he lack of sex 007 has in the book) and Horowitz doing stuff in the Fleming era... again have your cake and eat it too I can’t be the only Bond fan who yearns for more adventures set in the modern day
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    I always took it that those two kills were assigned to Bond, took place during the Cold War, and as stated earned him Double-O status. Germany as East Germany. Additionally, Bond had some time at MI6 before the two kills and before he was assigned as OO7.

    But maybe it's not so clear either way, since it was brought up here. To be honest I never thought it was in question.
  • Dragonpol wrote: »
    'For those two jobs I was awarded a Double O number in the Service.'

    Still doesn't mean an instant promotion though. They said in the extract on the website that they'd been preparing him. Could be that after those two kills he was selected and some sort of training process started, taking us post World War 2, and then when 007 is killed they're forced to move things forward earlier than planned.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    'For those two jobs I was awarded a Double O number in the Service.'

    Still doesn't mean an instant promotion though. They said in the extract on the website that they'd been preparing him. Could be that after those two kills he was selected and some sort of training process started, taking us post World War 2, and then when 007 is killed they're forced to move things forward earlier than planned.

    I'm talking about the original Fleming novel, not the 2006 CR film website though.
  • Dragonpol wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    'For those two jobs I was awarded a Double O number in the Service.'

    Still doesn't mean an instant promotion though. They said in the extract on the website that they'd been preparing him. Could be that after those two kills he was selected and some sort of training process started, taking us post World War 2, and then when 007 is killed they're forced to move things forward earlier than planned.

    I'm talking about the original Fleming novel, not the 2006 CR film website though.

    I'm not on about that, I was talking about the extract on the site for Forever And a Day. It says they'd been preparing Bond. It could be that his two kills did get him selected as CR states, but the training/preparation process could have taken a couple of years, meaning WW2 is over by the time he actually becomes 007.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    'For those two jobs I was awarded a Double O number in the Service.'

    Still doesn't mean an instant promotion though. They said in the extract on the website that they'd been preparing him. Could be that after those two kills he was selected and some sort of training process started, taking us post World War 2, and then when 007 is killed they're forced to move things forward earlier than planned.

    I'm talking about the original Fleming novel, not the 2006 CR film website though.

    I'm not on about that, I was talking about the extract on the site for Forever And a Day. It says they'd been preparing Bond. It could be that his two kills did get him selected as CR states, but the training/preparation process could have taken a couple of years, meaning WW2 is over by the time he actually becomes 007.
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    'For those two jobs I was awarded a Double O number in the Service.'

    Still doesn't mean an instant promotion though. They said in the extract on the website that they'd been preparing him. Could be that after those two kills he was selected and some sort of training process started, taking us post World War 2, and then when 007 is killed they're forced to move things forward earlier than planned.

    I'm talking about the original Fleming novel, not the 2006 CR film website though.

    I'm not on about that, I was talking about the extract on the site for Forever And a Day. It says they'd been preparing Bond. It could be that his two kills did get him selected as CR states, but the training/preparation process could have taken a couple of years, meaning WW2 is over by the time he actually becomes 007.

    Oh, sorry. I'm sure Horowitz will have some way of explaining it in his new novel.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Here's a little more context from the book.

    Chapter 9 - The Game is Baccarat
    Bond frowned. 'It's not difficult to get a Double O number if you're prepared to kill people,' he said. 'That's all the meaning it has. It's nothing to be particularly proud of. I've got the corpses of a Japanese cipher expert in New York and a Norwegian double agent in Stockholm to thank for being a Double 0. Probably quite decent people. They just got caught up in the gale of the world like that Yugoslav that Tito bumped off. It's a confusing business but if it's one's profession, one does what one's told. How do you like the grated egg with your caviar?'

    Chapter 20 - The Nature of Evil
    'Well, in the last few years I've killed two villains. The first was in New York — a Japanese cipher expert cracking our codes on the thirty sixth floor of the RCA building in the Rockefeller centre, where the Japs had their consulate. I took a room on the fortieth floor of the next door skyscraper and I could look across the street into his room and see him working. Then I got a colleague from our organization in New York and a couple of Remington thirty-thirty's with telescopic sights and silencers. We smuggled them up to my room and sat for days waiting for our chance. He shot at the man a second before me. His job was only to blast a hole through the windows so that I could shoot the Jap through it. They have tough windows at the Rockefeller centre to keep the noise out. It worked very well. As I expected, his bullet got deflected by the glass and went God knows where. But I shot immediately after him, through the hole he had made. I got the Jap in the mouth as he turned to gape at the broken window.'

    Bond smoked for a minute.

    'It was a pretty sound job. Nice and clean too. Three hundred yards away. No personal contact. The next time in Stockholm wasn't so pretty. I had to kill a Norwegian who was doubling against us for the Germans. He'd managed to get two of our men captured — probably bumped off for all I know. For various reasons it had to be an absolutely silent job. I chose the bedroom of his flat and a knife. And, well, he just didn't die very quickly.

    'For those two jobs I was awarded a Double O number in the Service. Felt pretty clever and got a reputation for being good and tough. A double O number in our Service means you've had to kill a chap in cold blood in the course of some job.

    So regarding the Japanese, I don't think they maintained a consulate in NYC during wartime (meaning from around December 1941 and after). I also doubt England would send a Royal Navy officer on an assassination job to the US during the war. A colleague from our organization in New York I take to be an MI6 counterpart.

    Where Bond references "Service", it's the same Service and that's MI6.

    From Bond's obituary in You Only Live Twice.
    Chapter 21 - Obit.
    By the time he left, at the early age of seventeen, he had twice fought for the school as a light-weight and had, in addition, founded the first serious judo class at a British public school. By now it was 1941 and, by claiming an age of nineteen and with the help of an old Vickers colleague of his father, he entered a branch of what was subsequently to become the Ministry of Defence. To serve the confidential nature of his duties, he was accorded the rank of lieutenant in the Special Branch of the RNVR, and it is a measure of the satisfaction his services gave to his superiors that he ended the war with the rank of Commander. It was about this time that the writer became associated with certain aspects of the Ministry's work, and it was with much gratification that I accepted Commander Bond's post-war application to continue working for the Ministry in which, at the time of his lamented disappearance, he had risen to the rank of Principal Officer in the Civil Service.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    'For those two jobs I was awarded a Double O number in the Service.'

    Still doesn't mean an instant promotion though. They said in the extract on the website that they'd been preparing him. Could be that after those two kills he was selected and some sort of training process started, taking us post World War 2, and then when 007 is killed they're forced to move things forward earlier than planned.

    I agree most with this. I think we’ll learn a lot from FAAD and because of that I’m very excited.

    Perhaps he was awarded the number but it took some time before he was able to use it.

    Quizas. We find out in May.
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    So regarding the Japanese, I don't think they maintained a consulate in NYC during wartime (meaning from around December 1941 and after). I also doubt England would send a Royal Navy officer on an assassination job to the US during the war. A colleague from our organization in New York I take to be an MI6 counterpart.

    You're correct on both counts, but it's also possible Fleming was either mistaken or intentionally bending the truth for dramatic purposes.
    I favor a WWII time period for both kills because they make more sense in that context. The Japanese cipher expert would have been endangering Britain's war effort, whereas after WWII Japan was under American occupation and its intelligent services were either defunct or under American control. So the Japanese expert is more plausible and threatening as a wartime figure.
    The Norwegian doubling for the Germans is less clear-cut, but since Germany was occupied by the Allies and Soviets up to 1955 and thereafter divided, it makes more sense that Bond's direct reference to Germans refers to Germany when it was whole and even more dangerous.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Or wouldn't it more benefit Fleming's novels to build up the Cold War as dangerous, dramatic licence and all. But it's like viewing the films--we individually see them how we best enjoy them, hopefully.
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    Or wouldn't it more benefit Fleming's novels to build up the Cold War as dangerous, dramatic licence and all.

    True, but I think Fleming would have done a better of this if Bond's victims had been Russian or from Eastern Bloc countries, rather than linked to Germany and Japan, the bad guys of WWII. It should also be said that CR was published in 1953, just 8 years after the war, and is still haunted by that conflict, as shown in Bond's conversation with the one-armed Frenchman. Bond is a Cold Warrior forged in the furnace of the Hot War, which makes him more formidable and battle-tested.

  • Revelator wrote: »
    Or wouldn't it more benefit Fleming's novels to build up the Cold War as dangerous, dramatic licence and all.

    True, but I think Fleming would have done a better of this if Bond's victims had been Russian or from Eastern Bloc countries, rather than linked to Germany and Japan, the bad guys of WWII. It should also be said that CR was published in 1953, just 8 years after the war, and is still haunted by that conflict, as shown in Bond's conversation with the one-armed Frenchman. Bond is a Cold Warrior forged in the furnace of the Hot War, which makes him more formidable and battle-tested.
    PussyNoMore finds the debate fascinating albeit he never interpreted the OO prefix as having been awarded during WWII and always saw the assassinations as either moping up exercises or even Cold War related.
    Given that CR is set in 1952, albeit Fleming did save publication until PussyNoMore’s birth year, the Pussy’s wonga is on a 1950/51 setting for FAAD.
    Hopefully we will see Bond’s Bentley roaring through France to the Cote d’Azur when it was at its most glamorous.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    I admit I've not been following this that closely, but the book is specifically a prequel to Casino Royale, correct? I don't recall seeing anywhere that it was described as the mission where Bond got his 00.

    Again, haven't been following too closely, will accept being corrected if I'm wrong.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    My understanding is there is a brief preview of the plot that says the then-current 007 dies and Bond is brought forward and adopts the number.
  • PussyNoMore is fascinated to see how Horowitz weaves his story around "Fleming's original material".
    Pussy's understanding is that like "Murder On Wheels", the original material is sourced from the stories that Fleming wrote for the aborted TV project.
    Maybe it will be Fleming himself who enunciates on Bond's appointment to the OO section ?
    Now that would be interesting !
    PussyNoMore is excited.
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    PussyNoMore is fascinated to see how Horowitz weaves his story around "Fleming's original material".
    Pussy's understanding is that like "Murder On Wheels", the original material is sourced from the stories that Fleming wrote for the aborted TV project.
    Maybe it will be Fleming himself who enunciates on Bond's appointment to the OO section ?
    Now that would be interesting !
    PussyNoMore is excited.

    Been thinking that may be a possibility, too.
    Regarding what year the story takes place; one could maybe just ask the author on Twitter…?
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