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What do you have against the Slade killing? Should Bond be tickling his opponents to death.
Gosh if Dalton saw this thread he would be shaking his head in disbelief. In a Bond film, things have to turn NASTY.
Didn't someone post a quote from Dalton saying that he preferred TLD over LTK because the gore made the movie "classless" or something?
That is true. Dalton said that he preferred Daylights given that LTK was just too brutal and too far removed from Bond. It had lost all class is pretty much what he said.
Umm...you have that posted as my quote which it wasn't. Violence was not one of my issues with QoS.
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As others have said, my problem with the gore in LTK is that it's out of place in the Bond series. It's not that I can't "handle" it.
Agreed.
Also agreed, actually. I'm fine with the violence in 99% of the Bond movies. LTK just felt a bit out of place; unlike the rest of Bond.
Well if you see my reply to what @ForYourEyesOnly you'll find that's not at all what he would have thought.
Look there isn't actually that much I have against the Slate killing anymore. But the first of my gripes is that along with - like what - the first half hour of QOS, it does not advance the plot. The plot goes nowhere in the beginning of QOS. You just have all these action sequences for no reason. Car chase that does not advance the plot, Sienna chase that does not advance the plot, knife fight that comes out of nowhere and does not advance the plot. There is no narrative movement and by the time Slate got knifed I was lost as to why there wasn't really anything happening.
The second is that - and of course this is contentious - but the first time viewer it is too dark and therefore weighs down the objective of a Bond film, which is to provide escapist fun. Or at least, all the others (barring LTK) knew that. When I first saw the film I mistook all of the red glass shards on the ground for blood so I realise know that I was wrong but the coldness of that scene is still quite notable.
For example, there should have been more kills in TMWTGG, which is a very anemic movie. Grand total of seven people die and Bond literally kills only one person; there is no sense of high stakes or that Bond is on a dangerous mission in that film.
Allergen Warning: This thread contains opinions...and gluten. ;)
and to back up @WizardOfIce on the comparison between guy falling into the snow thrower in OHMSS and Dario falling into the grinder in LTK - again, they are practically the same.. yes, you see a few human chunks of Dario going through - put it's not like the camera shows in great detail his body getting pulverized - he more or less gets shredded and disappears into a cloud of pink dust, and then it's over... it's not like they focused on the puddle of Dario hitting the ground afterwards..
Bond killing Slate in QOS - one of the best fight/kills in the entire series... just because there is blood doesn't make it gory.. it's not like he stabbed him and his femoral artery went spewing all over Bond and the walls.
And as I said, cruel deaths and violence are integral parts of Bond movies. Pornographic gore isn't. If you like it, then that's fine. At least agree that it wasn't necessary. That's all I'm trying to put across.
But Kananga's death is completely sanitised. No innards are seen when he explodes.
When did he say this? Because that's not what he said at the time.
On the night of the premiere and in other interviews he said TLD was a step in the right direction whereas LTK was 'a leap'.
I think the more brutal violence in LTK was largely at Dalton's instigation so it's a bit rich if he moaned about it afterwards.
It seems to me people are singling out LTK and QOS because the tone of the films makes them think they've seen more than they have.
As already mentioned in terms of graphic gore Dario is no different to lots of guts guy, Slate is no more or less brutal than Grant or Obanno.
Krest is what? A one second shot of his head swelling and then turning red. Is that really that graphic? It's not like everyone gets caked in his brains.
I find the shot of Felix's bloody stump far more graphic yet no one's even mentioned that yet.
But as a certain Mr Dalton also said on the night of the premiere when questioned about the level of violence 'People being fed to sharks, people being set on fire - it's all classic Bond.'
Those complaining that these things have no place in Bond might have a point when referring to the the largely family friendly film series perpetuated by EON.
But try reading some Fleming and you see that these things are totally appropriate. In just the first three books we have:
* Two guys blown up leaving bits of their flesh hanging in the trees.
* Bond getting his bollocks smashed leaving a large pool of blood on the floor.
* Bond's finger slowly snapped (not gore but certainly extremely violent and disturbing).
* Bond's back getting shredded.
* Bond having his face burnt with a blowtorch.
* Bond and Gala leaving bloody footsteps everywhere.
If Fleming thinks this sort of thing worthy of inclusion who are we to demur?
...but yes, I agree about the shot of Felix's severed leg. Definitely the most graphic shot in all of Bond. Roger Moore wouldn't have liked it.
It was a James movie.
that wasn't because of the violence though - i think it probably more due to the fact that it was following the 80s "action movies for guys who like movies" trope of a vengeful rouge going after the man who killed/harmed someone he cared about.... this rouge angle was practically the staple of the action genre at the time... Die Hard, Lethal Weapon, Rambo, etc.... it felt more like a hollywood action film than a Bond film at times.... i love the movie, but i can't help but recognize it..... it's not until Q shows back up that we are reminded that "oh yeah, it's a Bond movie." lol.
men, allowing Bond to get closer to his target. :)
I'm sorry, is this not the Next American President thread? Sorry, my mistake...
So Kurosawawa.